Pixel Perfect wrote:
Well 22MP APS-H would be equal to 14.3MP APS-C size, so not giving up much reach compared to 7D and IQ improvements would more than make up for that difference anyway IMO.
Either/or/both, in my opinion- but if they did both, I think I'd be right behind you in line for the APS-H, just for the increased DR and high-ISO performance of the larger pixels combined with the AF and frame-rate .
lsquare wrote:
I just read a review claiming that the shot to shot time with live view is slow even with Dual Pixel AF. Is this true?
Two things:
a) Dual pixel AF is only very fast with Canon lenses. 3rd party lenses still use a combination of phase + contrast detect AF.
b) After each shot in live view mode, there is a brief pause before the shutter can be pressed again. This is true even with image review turned off and Canon lenses. The OM-D does not exhibit such behavior.
a) Dual pixel AF is only very fast with Canon lenses. 3rd party lenses still use a combination of phase + contrast detect AF.
b) After each shot in live view mode, there is a brief pause before the shutter can be pressed again. This is true even with image review turned off and Canon lenses. The OM-D does not exhibit such behavior.
I just want to confirm that you have the 70D?
a) Thanks for the information and I only intend to use the supported Canon lenses with live view.
b) So if I were to shoot a bracket of 7 exposures, are you telling me that I will have to press the shutter for each exposure? For example, if I were to plug in a wire remote, I'm pretty sure one press will trigger all 7 exposures and I don't have to hold the shutter.
Is it possible that I may have misunderstood you and that there is a brief pause after the set of bracketed exposures have taken or you're saying that there will be a pause for each exposure in my bracket of 7 exposures?
lsquare wrote:
I just want to confirm that you have the 70D?
a) Thanks for the information and I only intend to use the supported Canon lenses with live view.
b) So if I were to shoot a bracket of 7 exposures, are you telling me that I will have to press the shutter for each exposure? For example, if I were to plug in a wire remote, I'm pretty sure one press will trigger all 7 exposures and I don't have to hold the shutter.
Is it possible that I may have misunderstood you and that there is a brief pause after the set of bracketed exposures have taken or you're saying that there will be a pause for each exposure in my bracket of 7 exposures?...Show more →
Yes, I own the 70D.
No, that's not what I mean. I am referring specifically to single shot mode. For normal OVF shooting, one can press the shutter again very quickly after each shot to capture the next one. In live view mode, the 70D will not let you do that.
For AEB, a single press is enough to trigger continuous exposures for bracketing.
No, that's not what I mean. I am referring specifically to single shot mode. For normal OVF shooting, one can press the shutter again very quickly after each shot to capture the next one. In live view mode, the 70D will not let you do that.
For AEB, a single press is enough to trigger continuous exposures for bracketing.
I'm still very much confused. I'm only interested in how AEB is like with live view. I know how AEB is like with the OVF. What won't the 70D do in live view? Are you saying that it can't take 7 exposures in a row without a pause?
I find the pause between shots pretty annoying compared to the OM-D. I hope it can be reduced thru a firmware update. For low angle action I will have to keep using the OM-D at times. For video, this is far better than the OM-D on focusing (including non-STM Canon glass).
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Ok touch screen sounds good. Image seems to be a lot better than I would expect from 7D pushed that much at ISO 1600.
Hmm, this might be worth trying after-all as they are crazy cheap at work. Still I was going to just sell 7D and that would still leave me with 3 cameras , so need another camera like a hole in the head.
Decisions decisions
1600 pushed 1.5 stops is under ISO 6400, and you can clean it up quite well. Since I am so bad at exposure with birds and their surrounds, I have had to recover quite a few ISO 1600 shots in the past by 1-2 stops. I would like to see the unaltered image at about 80% crop just to see how the 70D handles the poor exposure. The 7D starts to speckle at 1.5 to 2 stops under, and that adds an extra step to the processing.
lsquare wrote:
I'm still very much confused. I'm only interested in how AEB is like with live view. I know how AEB is like with the OVF. What won't the 70D do in live view? Are you saying that it can't take 7 exposures in a row without a pause?
Oh I finally understand what you are asking. Yes, you can take 7 exposures in a row for backeting in live view as long as you're using the shutter button and NOT the LCD touch shutter. Note that multishot must be enabled, NOT the single shot.
thw2 wrote:
Oh I finally understand what you are asking. Yes, you can take 7 exposures in a row for backeting in live view as long as you're using the shutter button and NOT the LCD touch shutter. Note that multishot must be enabled, NOT the single shot.
I'm somewhat confused about that point. Can you confirm if what the author said is true and if so elaborate on it for me?
Assuming multishot is enabled and that 7 exposures is selected, if you hold the shutter button, will the 7 exposures be taken non-stop or is there a stop in between the exposures? Is AEB any faster via the OVF or it's the same speed with live view and that it can be taken at up to 7fps?
I have to admit that the review got me a little worried. I'm thinking that if I were to take 7 exposures, there will be a stop in between the exposures and that it'll be slower compared to taking 7 exposures AEB with the OVF.
seanoc wrote:
I find the pause between shots pretty annoying compared to the OM-D. I hope it can be reduced thru a firmware update. For low angle action I will have to keep using the OM-D at times. For video, this is far better than the OM-D on focusing (including non-STM Canon glass).
I'm somewhat confused about that point. Can you confirm if what the author said is true and if so elaborate on it for me?
He's saying it's like every other Canon DSLR with Live View. There's a multi-second delay from when you take a picture and the live feed reappears. You can still shoot at high framerates for multiple shots, you just won't see anything as you do. With mirrorless bodies, you typically see the frames you just shot and the live feed reappears more quickly.
lowa2 wrote:
So I just checked this "pause". I set the camera to 7 shots Aeb, and mashed the shutter. It took the bracketed images at 7fps, in liveview.
Please bear with me with these questions as I don't have an opportunity to test the camera...
So essentially what you're saying is that regardless of whether I use the OVF or Live View, if I set the camera to 7 exposures AEB, then it'll fire at 7fps and that there is no performance difference between OVF and Live View?
alexdi wrote:
He's saying it's like every other Canon DSLR with Live View. There's a multi-second delay from when you take a picture and the live feed reappears. You can still shoot at high framerates for multiple shots, you just won't see anything as you do. With mirrorless bodies, you typically see the frames you just shot and the live feed reappears more quickly.
Ok, just so that we're on the same page, you're saying that the 70D will experience the same multi-second delay after the picture is taken despite having Dual Pixel AF? Regardless, this doesn't affect the shooting performance of the 70D since it have Dual Pixel AF for Live View so it'll be faster than previous EOS cameras?
lsquare wrote:
Please bear with me with these questions as I don't have an opportunity to test the camera...
So essentially what you're saying is that regardless of whether I use the OVF or Live View, if I set the camera to 7 exposures AEB, then it'll fire at 7fps and that there is no performance difference between OVF and Live View?
lsquare wrote:
Ok, just so that we're on the same page, you're saying that the 70D will experience the same multi-second delay after the picture is taken despite having Dual Pixel AF? Regardless, this doesn't affect the shooting performance of the 70D since it have Dual Pixel AF for Live View so it'll be faster than previous EOS cameras?
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