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p.9 #1Fujifilm SLR Thread
rattymouse wrote:
carstenw wrote
I made a couple of shots this weekend with my S5 and Zeiss 50MP, and man, something is wrong somewhere. I just couldn't get the right level of micro contrast and pop, and everything seemed slightly soft and with unattractive rendering. I am not sure that the lens even reaches infinity on this camera. I need to do some testing. Or maybe I should finally just sell that 50MP, I never really got along with it.How would you be able to confirm if it could not reach infinity?
I work in quite a tall building, so I could make some shots from there with the S5 and D800, with the 50MP and 50P, and see how they compare.
Sep 29, 2013 at 04:43 PM
p.9 #2Fujifilm SLR Thread
Dunno..
You send me pic with 100/2 MP I think? Some time ago? It was exactly same to what Im used to see. So your S5 Pro is pretty much same as any other..
Its possible that your 50MP doesnt reach infinity, you wouldnt be first..
Output from S5 Pro can be soft, but only when its 12 mpix or downsized 12 mpix to 6 mpix. Native 6 mpix is actually rather sharp..
Tho interpolated 12 mpix from for example SilkyPix isnt that bad.. just not great either tho.
Im sticking to 6 mpix as it gives me 1) smaller files - Im running out of HDD space constantly 2) files which are sharp on pixel level and actually do have some micro-contrast. Plus they respond rather well to my PP, which is pretty extreme sometimes..
Just wish there was some RAW developer combining Photivo and LightZone. I wonder what bright mind implemented WideGamut RGB as D50 working space (Photivo case)..
You send me pic with 100/2 MP I think? Some time ago? It was exactly same to what Im used to see. So your S5 Pro is pretty much same as any other..
Its possible that your 50MP doesnt reach infinity, you wouldnt be first..
Output from S5 Pro can be soft, but only when its 12 mpix or downsized 12 mpix to 6 mpix. Native 6 mpix is actually rather sharp..
Tho interpolated 12 mpix from for example SilkyPix isnt that bad.. just not great either tho.
Im sticking to 6 mpix as it gives me 1) smaller files - Im running out of HDD space constantly 2) files which are sharp on pixel level and actually do have some micro-contrast. Plus they respond rather well to my PP, which is pretty extreme sometimes..Just wish there was some RAW developer combining Photivo and LightZone.
I wonder what bright mind implemented WideGamut RGB as D50 working space (Photivo case)..Sep 29, 2013 at 09:01 PM
p.9 #3Fujifilm SLR Thread
Apart from borders added in PS (can be done via any software), its fully made in Photivo.
Sep 30, 2013 at 07:08 PM
p.9 #6Fujifilm SLR Thread
To me, it does resemble MFD shot. In fact, it feels like S5Pro gets as close as it gets...
Sep 30, 2013 at 11:59 PM
p.9 #7Fujifilm SLR Thread
Full size TIFF of this looks quite a bit better. 14-bit has certain advantage in post-processing. I think thats why it can sometimes look a bit like MFD.
Another thing is that it does have those 14-bits actually 2x times, one time at full exposure (highlights) and second time somewhere around normal exposure. I think 3x stacked 16-bit sensor could give rather nice output (maybe 2 eV difference?). Thats if someone would be insane enough to make it (in theory something like FF 36 mpix sensor could do it. Probably with bit less mpix, I think somewhere around 10 mpix output from 3x10 mpix would be about perfect).
Surely not for pixel hungry users tho.. Rather those tonality/color biased..
Another thing is that it does have those 14-bits actually 2x times, one time at full exposure (highlights) and second time somewhere around normal exposure. I think 3x stacked 16-bit sensor could give rather nice output (maybe 2 eV difference?). Thats if someone would be insane enough to make it (in theory something like FF 36 mpix sensor could do it. Probably with bit less mpix, I think somewhere around 10 mpix output from 3x10 mpix would be about perfect).
Surely not for pixel hungry users tho.. Rather those tonality/color biased..
Oct 01, 2013 at 11:06 AM
p.9 #8Fujifilm SLR Thread
I forgot to report back: both D800 and S5, both 50P and 50MP, were able to focus to infinity. I don't know what trouble the S5 was having with the 50MP the day before.
Oct 01, 2013 at 04:51 PM
p.9 #9Fujifilm SLR Thread
Only thing that comes to my mind is temperature, but it shouldnt really affect that.
Tho now that you mentioned this, it happens to me sometimes that there are days in which I can focus almost everything I want and days that no matter how hard I try it never really is sharp enough.
My KM-7D is always sharp.
Maybe its just my days.. but I think my S5 Pro is bit "moody" for lack of better terms.
Tho now that you mentioned this, it happens to me sometimes that there are days in which I can focus almost everything I want and days that no matter how hard I try it never really is sharp enough.
My KM-7D is always sharp.
Maybe its just my days.. but I think my S5 Pro is bit "moody" for lack of better terms.
Oct 01, 2013 at 07:05 PM
p.9 #11Fujifilm SLR Thread
Mescalamba wrote:
Only thing that comes to my mind is temperature, but it shouldnt really affect that.
Tho now that you mentioned this, it happens to me sometimes that there are days in which I can focus almost everything I want and days that no matter how hard I try it never really is sharp enough.
I wonder if the focusing screen is slightly loose, or the mirror? I don't see how I can have trouble with infinity one day and hit it the next. Weird.
Only thing that comes to my mind is temperature, but it shouldnt really affect that.
Tho now that you mentioned this, it happens to me sometimes that there are days in which I can focus almost everything I want and days that no matter how hard I try it never really is sharp enough.
I wonder if the focusing screen is slightly loose, or the mirror? I don't see how I can have trouble with infinity one day and hit it the next. Weird.
Oct 05, 2013 at 12:13 PM
p.9 #12Fujifilm SLR Thread
Well, as with any Nikon, you cant see anything in OVF without battery. I suspect that might have something to do with that. But really, no clue. My focusing screen is pretty surely tight (as I installed it myself).
Anyway.. here is a pic.
City of Czech Krumau (part of UNESCO), clean version. I will post grainy version in Zeiss thread.
My usual setup (not like I have any other still). Used Replichrome color profile for Fuji Reala 100, well didnt used it, just made ICC profile out of it. Some of my personal tweaks plus my usual crazy workflow.
Wonder if its sharp enough..
Otherwise Im positive my Zeiss is fine, at least as far as sharpness goes.
Rest is most likely Fuji "fault".
Edited on Oct 06, 2013 at 04:12 PM · View previous versions
Anyway.. here is a pic.
City of Czech Krumau (part of UNESCO), clean version. I will post grainy version in Zeiss thread.
My usual setup (not like I have any other still). Used Replichrome color profile for Fuji Reala 100, well didnt used it, just made ICC profile out of it. Some of my personal tweaks plus my usual crazy workflow.
Wonder if its sharp enough..
Otherwise Im positive my Zeiss is fine, at least as far as sharpness goes.
Rest is most likely Fuji "fault".Edited on Oct 06, 2013 at 04:12 PM · View previous versions
Oct 05, 2013 at 09:35 PM
p.9 #13Fujifilm SLR Thread
Well, I am going to tease you a bit about your example, and note that the leaves in the foreground are noticeably sharper than the spire of the church Clearly the manual focusing ability of the Fuji leaves something to be desired.
Clearly the manual focusing ability of the Fuji leaves something to be desired.Oct 06, 2013 at 03:23 AM
p.9 #14Fujifilm SLR Thread
some pics at the beach ..
Fuji S5 + Nikon 200 f4
CP
Fuji S5 + Nikon 200 f4
CP
Oct 06, 2013 at 09:15 AM
p.9 #15Fujifilm SLR Thread
carstenw wrote:
Well, I am going to tease you a bit about your example, and note that the leaves in the foreground are noticeably sharper than the spire of the church Clearly the manual focusing ability of the Fuji leaves something to be desired.
Actually it only does "appear" like that, its about equally soft. Tho I nudged sharpening a bit, any better now?
I hate sharpening and resizing artifacts, which is reason why my pics are probably tad soft. Well apart of S5 Pro being itself.
Full-size pic looks pretty ok as far as sharpness goes, but Im apparently bit inept in sharpening and resizing. Constantly trying to improve that. Its bit harder with Fuji tho (and obviously harder due my OCD over sharpening halos and such).
I know bit of sharpening halo and skewed pixels are norm, I just cant help myself.. sorry for soft pics.
Otherwise its either infinity f8 or church tower f8. Not sure which..
Yea and Im making quite a bit different way of sharpening, contrast and saturation boosts, so thats another reason why its not "sharp everywhere". Plus its DCB Sharp demosaicing, which isnt sharpest, but best colorwise.
2048px version
Edit: Added link to 2048px version (made it for 500px).
Well, I am going to tease you a bit about your example, and note that the leaves in the foreground are noticeably sharper than the spire of the church
Clearly the manual focusing ability of the Fuji leaves something to be desired.Actually it only does "appear" like that, its about equally soft.
Tho I nudged sharpening a bit, any better now?I hate sharpening and resizing artifacts, which is reason why my pics are probably tad soft. Well apart of S5 Pro being itself.
Full-size pic looks pretty ok as far as sharpness goes, but Im apparently bit inept in sharpening and resizing. Constantly trying to improve that. Its bit harder with Fuji tho (and obviously harder due my OCD over sharpening halos and such).
I know bit of sharpening halo and skewed pixels are norm, I just cant help myself.. sorry for soft pics.
Otherwise its either infinity f8 or church tower f8. Not sure which..
Yea and Im making quite a bit different way of sharpening, contrast and saturation boosts, so thats another reason why its not "sharp everywhere". Plus its DCB Sharp demosaicing, which isnt sharpest, but best colorwise.
2048px version
Edit: Added link to 2048px version (made it for 500px).
Oct 06, 2013 at 04:18 PM
p.9 #16Fujifilm SLR Thread
I actually would have focused on the leaves in the foreground.
I quite like the depth this creates. Then again, the fields in the distance (left corner) throw me a little.
On the colour side, the church is nicely panted with gentle pink tones.
I quite like the depth this creates. Then again, the fields in the distance (left corner) throw me a little.
On the colour side, the church is nicely panted with gentle pink tones.
Oct 06, 2013 at 07:19 PM
p.9 #17Fujifilm SLR Thread
Untwisted and invariate .dcp S5 Pro Adobe profiles
Its just tourist shot anyway. Im there quite often (well considering how much I go out), one day I will maybe even try something bit more serious.. when I get something serious to use.
That .zip file includes one untwisted and one untwisted and invariate .dcp file for S5 Pro. DCP files are color/camera profiles (in case someone doesnt know). These two are same as ones in Adobe LR/ACR, but modified so they dont get strange hues and color shifts.
It wont turn magically those profiles into good ones, but they are usable to certain extent. I think most problems with LR/ACR comes from how those profiles are actually used. Plus I think that using ProPhotoRGB as internal colorspace isnt maybe best idea..
As far as I tried it, it gives very "Fuji" colors, maybe bit over-the-top. But its rather easy to correct. Which normal profile isnt. Will try this fix on my KM-7D profile too, as its much better than mess with color calibration tab in LR.
Making good color profile would be better, but so far I still didnt get either Samyang lens or 24-tabs color checker.
Its just tourist shot anyway. Im there quite often (well considering how much I go out), one day I will maybe even try something bit more serious.. when I get something serious to use.
That .zip file includes one untwisted and one untwisted and invariate .dcp file for S5 Pro. DCP files are color/camera profiles (in case someone doesnt know). These two are same as ones in Adobe LR/ACR, but modified so they dont get strange hues and color shifts.
It wont turn magically those profiles into good ones, but they are usable to certain extent. I think most problems with LR/ACR comes from how those profiles are actually used. Plus I think that using ProPhotoRGB as internal colorspace isnt maybe best idea..
As far as I tried it, it gives very "Fuji" colors, maybe bit over-the-top. But its rather easy to correct. Which normal profile isnt. Will try this fix on my KM-7D profile too, as its much better than mess with color calibration tab in LR.
Making good color profile would be better, but so far I still didnt get either Samyang lens or 24-tabs color checker.
Oct 06, 2013 at 09:57 PM
p.9 #18Fujifilm SLR Thread
I personally got used to HCL corrections after long and hard persuasion..
That and linear curve in ACR - adding contrast in Photoshop after.
Find best control to be granular.
Mescalamba: you got most amazing nature there. You don't generally have time to travel around?
That and linear curve in ACR - adding contrast in Photoshop after.
Find best control to be granular.
Mescalamba: you got most amazing nature there. You don't generally have time to travel around?
Oct 06, 2013 at 10:13 PM
p.9 #19Fujifilm SLR Thread
A little something to keep thread alive..
Macrolepiota procera (probably) highly edible, especially deep fried (tempura style). Slightly toxic raw, so I dont recommand trying that.
Amazing nature. Well, nature around is ok-ish. There truly is some amazing nature in Czech, just bit further away. Travel around.. heh, not really. I would like to, but with my current equipment I dont find it much worth it. Plus travel is not exactly for free.. (or other words, bl*dy expensive as everything here .. for us, not for tourists).
Edit: Replace with a bit more colorful/less noisy version. Also more accurate one..
Edited on Oct 20, 2013 at 08:44 PM · View previous versions
Macrolepiota procera (probably) highly edible, especially deep fried (tempura style). Slightly toxic raw, so I dont recommand trying that.
Amazing nature. Well, nature around is ok-ish. There truly is some amazing nature in Czech, just bit further away. Travel around.. heh, not really. I would like to, but with my current equipment I dont find it much worth it. Plus travel is not exactly for free.. (or other words, bl*dy expensive as everything here .. for us, not for tourists).
Edit: Replace with a bit more colorful/less noisy version. Also more accurate one..
Edited on Oct 20, 2013 at 08:44 PM · View previous versions
Oct 10, 2013 at 09:41 PM