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p.66 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
theophilus wrote:
So this gets announced at 1:00pm CST in the US? Anything on the price of the 35/2.8?
Tonight at 11PM PST
So this gets announced at 1:00pm CST in the US? Anything on the price of the 35/2.8?
Tonight at 11PM PST
Oct 15, 2013 at 08:39 AM
p.66 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
philber wrote:
I happen to disagree with Jman on what "causes" the price of a Zeiss lens. I don't think Zeiss price in linear fashion as a multiple of a given Nikon price. I also don't think it is strictly and only cost-based. I suspect that there is in their thinking some kind of a "floor price" around 1000$ for any new release of. Zeiss lens. But that is just a guess...
How about simply low volume = high price? This system is not going to fly off the shelves.
I happen to disagree with Jman on what "causes" the price of a Zeiss lens. I don't think Zeiss price in linear fashion as a multiple of a given Nikon price. I also don't think it is strictly and only cost-based. I suspect that there is in their thinking some kind of a "floor price" around 1000$ for any new release of. Zeiss lens. But that is just a guess...
How about simply low volume = high price? This system is not going to fly off the shelves.
Oct 15, 2013 at 08:41 AM
p.66 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The 50 Planar is much less than 1000.
I think they price at cost plus their expected profit margin, the end.
I think they price at cost plus their expected profit margin, the end.
Oct 15, 2013 at 08:45 AM
p.66 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
SR has updated pricing. A7r $100 more than orig thought - $2298 instead of $2198. And the 55 f/1.8 is $1000.
Oct 15, 2013 at 08:46 AM
p.66 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Jordan, using Canikon lineups, with their 50/1.8s as a point of reference, to deduce the price of hypothetical Sony lenses is inappropriate, because those 50s do not perform as well the other lenses in the lineup that you are comparing pricing with and are not claimed to be weather-sealed. For example, if Nikon's 50G performed at the level of the 85/1.8G, the prices would probably be quite close. The Sony-Zeiss 55 should perform even better than the 85G, along with better mechanical quality.
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Oct 15, 2013 at 08:47 AM
p.66 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Updated prices
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-more-lens-price-info-and-a7r-costs-100-more-than-samy-leak/
"The Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 prime lens will cost 800 Euro and in US $800"
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http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-more-lens-price-info-and-a7r-costs-100-more-than-samy-leak/
"The Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 prime lens will cost 800 Euro and in US $800"
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Oct 15, 2013 at 08:49 AM
p.66 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
What's the rx10 specs?
Oct 15, 2013 at 08:54 AM
p.66 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Dan1 wrote:
Jordan, using Canikon lineups, with their 50/1.8s as a point of reference, to deduce the price of hypothetical Sony lenses is inappropriate, because those 50s do not perform as well the other lenses in the lineup and are not claimed to be weather-sealed. For example, if Nikon's 50G performed at the level of the 85G, the prices would probably be quite close. The Sony-Zeiss 55 should perform even better than the 85G, along with better mechanical quality.
And the Canon 50's started production in the early 90's. 1990 for the 50/1.8 II & 1993 for the 50/1.4. So these lenses have been in production for 20 years, and their costs have come down, also their build quality sucks.
This is a premium offering with weather sealing, and will be priced as such, the Olympus M4/3 12-40/2.8 pro lens is $1000 for comparison.
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Jordan, using Canikon lineups, with their 50/1.8s as a point of reference, to deduce the price of hypothetical Sony lenses is inappropriate, because those 50s do not perform as well the other lenses in the lineup and are not claimed to be weather-sealed. For example, if Nikon's 50G performed at the level of the 85G, the prices would probably be quite close. The Sony-Zeiss 55 should perform even better than the 85G, along with better mechanical quality.
And the Canon 50's started production in the early 90's. 1990 for the 50/1.8 II & 1993 for the 50/1.4. So these lenses have been in production for 20 years, and their costs have come down, also their build quality sucks.
This is a premium offering with weather sealing, and will be priced as such, the Olympus M4/3 12-40/2.8 pro lens is $1000 for comparison.
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Oct 15, 2013 at 08:56 AM
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ken.vs.ryu wrote:
What's the rx10 specs?
1 inch RX-100 M2 sensor with a super zoom 24-200mm f2.8. I think a lot of people were expecting an APS-C sensor with a fixed zoom lens. There haven't been any leaked pictures though I don't think this is going to fit in a pocket like the RX-100 M1/M2.
What's the rx10 specs?
1 inch RX-100 M2 sensor with a super zoom 24-200mm f2.8. I think a lot of people were expecting an APS-C sensor with a fixed zoom lens. There haven't been any leaked pictures though I don't think this is going to fit in a pocket like the RX-100 M1/M2.
Oct 15, 2013 at 08:57 AM
p.66 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
LightShow wrote:
And the Canon 50's started production in the early 90's. 1990 for the 50/1.8 II & 1993 for the 50/1.4. So these lenses have been in production for 20 years, and their costs have come down, also their build quality sucks.
This is a premium offering with weather sealing, and will be priced as such, the Olympus M4/3 12-40/2.8 pro lens is $1000 for comparison.
I may have missed it...do we know these Zeiss lenses are indeed weather sealed? I know the A7 body is but the lenses?
Dan1 wrote
Jordan, using Canikon lineups, with their 50/1.8s as a point of reference, to deduce the price of hypothetical Sony lenses is inappropriate, because those 50s do not perform as well the other lenses in the lineup and are not claimed to be weather-sealed. For example, if Nikon's 50G performed at the level of the 85G, the prices would probably be quite close. The Sony-Zeiss 55 should perform even better than the 85G, along with better mechanical quality.This is a premium offering with weather sealing, and will be priced as such, the Olympus M4/3 12-40/2.8 pro lens is $1000 for comparison.
I may have missed it...do we know these Zeiss lenses are indeed weather sealed? I know the A7 body is but the lenses?
Oct 15, 2013 at 09:05 AM
p.66 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
SAR is claiming that all the lenses are sealed.
Oct 15, 2013 at 09:07 AM
p.66 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
SAR updated prices.
Cameras:
- The leaked Samy price for the A7r could be wrong. Instead of $2198 the price should be $2298. In Europe the price is likely 2400 Euro.
- The A7 body only costs $1698 as leaked on Samys.
- $1998 (or 1999 Euro) is what you pay for the A7 kit version with the 28-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Lens.
- The RX10 costs $1298
Lenses:
- The Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 prime lens will cost 800 Euro and in US $800
- The Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 prime lens will cost 1100 Euro and in US $1000
- The Sony 28-70mm f/3.5-5.6 zoom will cost around 500 Euro (not sure yet about...Show more →
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Cameras:
- The leaked Samy price for the A7r could be wrong. Instead of $2198 the price should be $2298. In Europe the price is likely 2400 Euro.
- The A7 body only costs $1698 as leaked on Samys.
- $1998 (or 1999 Euro) is what you pay for the A7 kit version with the 28-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Lens.
- The RX10 costs $1298
Lenses:
- The Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 prime lens will cost 800 Euro and in US $800
- The Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 prime lens will cost 1100 Euro and in US $1000
- The Sony 28-70mm f/3.5-5.6 zoom will cost around 500 Euro (not sure yet about...Show more →
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Oct 15, 2013 at 09:14 AM
p.66 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Are you seriously comparing an f/2.8 standard zoom to a 55/1.8?
Anyway, you want to spend a grand on an f/1.8 normal, go ahead.
The gaps I noted are present in every lend lineup, though. Even Leica...the 50 cron is $2K. The 50 Lux is nearly double, the 90 cron is $4 K.
LightShow wrote:
And the Canon 50's started production in the early 90's. 1990 for the 50/1.8 II & 1993 for the 50/1.4. So these lenses have been in production for 20 years, and their costs have come down, also their build quality sucks.
This is a premium offering with weather sealing, and will be priced as such, the Olympus M4/3 12-40/2.8 pro lens is $1000 for comparison.
Edited on Oct 15, 2013 at 09:21 AM · View previous versions
Anyway, you want to spend a grand on an f/1.8 normal, go ahead.
The gaps I noted are present in every lend lineup, though. Even Leica...the 50 cron is $2K. The 50 Lux is nearly double, the 90 cron is $4 K.
LightShow wrote:
Dan1 wrote
Jordan, using Canikon lineups, with their 50/1.8s as a point of reference, to deduce the price of hypothetical Sony lenses is inappropriate, because those 50s do not perform as well the other lenses in the lineup and are not claimed to be weather-sealed. For example, if Nikon's 50G performed at the level of the 85G, the prices would probably be quite close. The Sony-Zeiss 55 should perform even better than the 85G, along with better mechanical quality.This is a premium offering with weather sealing, and will be priced as such, the Olympus M4/3 12-40/2.8 pro lens is $1000 for comparison.
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Oct 15, 2013 at 09:15 AM
p.66 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Dan1 wrote:
SAR is claiming that all the lenses are sealed.
Great! I missed that.
SAR is claiming that all the lenses are sealed.
Great! I missed that.
Oct 15, 2013 at 09:17 AM
p.66 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
- The Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 prime lens will cost 800 Euro and in US $800
- The Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 prime lens will cost 1100 Euro and in US $1000
Seriously ?? Why do we have to pay so much in Europe ??
- The Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 prime lens will cost 1100 Euro and in US $1000
Seriously ?? Why do we have to pay so much in Europe ??
Oct 15, 2013 at 09:20 AM
p.66 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Jman13 wrote:
Are you seriously comparing an f/2.8 standard zoom to a 55/1.8?
Anyway, you want to spend a grand on an f/1.8 normal, go ahead.
And the Canon 50's started production in the early 90's. 1990 for the 50/1.8 II & 1993 for the 50/1.4. So these lenses have been in production for 20 years, and their costs have come down, also their build quality sucks.
This is a premium offering with weather sealing, and will be priced as such, the Olympus M4/3 12-40/2.8 pro lens is $1000 for comparison.
Just saying that a High quality lens is going to be expensive no matter the focal length.
And I won't be buying it as I have my eyes on the Leica M 50/1.4 Lux Asph which retails near $4000.
Are you seriously comparing an f/2.8 standard zoom to a 55/1.8?
Anyway, you want to spend a grand on an f/1.8 normal, go ahead.
LightShow wrote
Dan1 wrote
Jordan, using Canikon lineups, with their 50/1.8s as a point of reference, to deduce the price of hypothetical Sony lenses is inappropriate, because those 50s do not perform as well the other lenses in the lineup and are not claimed to be weather-sealed. For example, if Nikon's 50G performed at the level of the 85G, the prices would probably be quite close. The Sony-Zeiss 55 should perform even better than the 85G, along with better mechanical quality.This is a premium offering with weather sealing, and will be priced as such, the Olympus M4/3 12-40/2.8 pro lens is $1000 for comparison.
Just saying that a High quality lens is going to be expensive no matter the focal length.
And I won't be buying it as I have my eyes on the Leica M 50/1.4 Lux Asph which retails near $4000.
Oct 15, 2013 at 09:20 AM
p.66 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
safcraft wrote:
- The Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 prime lens will cost 800 Euro and in US $800
- The Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 prime lens will cost 1100 Euro and in US $1000
Seriously ?? Why do we have to pay so much in Europe ??
Probably the quantity purchased from Sony Japan will effect the final price, Canon prices are the same way.
- The Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 prime lens will cost 800 Euro and in US $800
- The Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 prime lens will cost 1100 Euro and in US $1000
Seriously ?? Why do we have to pay so much in Europe ??
Probably the quantity purchased from Sony Japan will effect the final price, Canon prices are the same way.
Oct 15, 2013 at 09:23 AM
p.66 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Sony generally seems to be worse than others when it comes to Euro pricing.
Oct 15, 2013 at 09:23 AM
p.66 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
According to SAR :
Lenses:
- The Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 prime lens will cost 800 Euro and in US $800 (= 590 Euro)
- The Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 prime lens will cost 1100 Euro and in US $1000 ( =740 Euro)
That's 49% more for the 55/1.8. !!
I know, that an average of 20% of VAT is already included in the European prices, but from 20% to 49% there's quite a difference.
Thank you Sony for squeezing shamelessly us, European customers, one more time. Your pricing policy will cost you a customer (at least) and will save me a lot of money.
Lenses:
- The Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 prime lens will cost 800 Euro and in US $800 (= 590 Euro)
- The Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 prime lens will cost 1100 Euro and in US $1000 ( =740 Euro)
That's 49% more for the 55/1.8. !!
I know, that an average of 20% of VAT is already included in the European prices, but from 20% to 49% there's quite a difference.
Thank you Sony for squeezing shamelessly us, European customers, one more time. Your pricing policy will cost you a customer (at least) and will save me a lot of money.
Oct 15, 2013 at 09:26 AM
p.66 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Because of tax , where i come from its 25%
Oct 15, 2013 at 09:29 AM