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p.56 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
As far as I can see now the camera looks alright. The viewfinder hump is placed more to the left so my nose will only grease the side of the LCD screen. 
It looks like a rather classical camera with no modern design gimmics. Good, I think for quiet a revolutionary camera. I am curious for the grip.
It looks like a rather classical camera with no modern design gimmics. Good, I think for quiet a revolutionary camera. I am curious for the grip.
Oct 13, 2013 at 04:57 PM
p.56 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
For years I've seen many many posters on this thread wanting a mirror-less FF interchangeable lens camera and now that we're finally about to get that camera there seem to be more posts from people complaining about speculative minor details like looks and EVF placement than people excited to finally get this type of camera. I don't get it. 
Oct 13, 2013 at 04:59 PM
p.56 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Ohh... the unnecessary hump! Whether the hump is required or not depends on what is causing the hump and what is, or is not right beside it.
Remove the onboard flash from your nex-7 and cover the hole: hump!!!! Of course it's on the side.
The hump covers the viewfinder, and there is no flash to go beside it.
It's not a fake hump.
Remove the onboard flash from your nex-7 and cover the hole: hump!!!! Of course it's on the side.
The hump covers the viewfinder, and there is no flash to go beside it.
It's not a fake hump.
Oct 13, 2013 at 05:03 PM
p.56 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
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Oct 13, 2013 at 05:03 PM
p.56 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Jeff Kott wrote:
For years I've seen many many posters on this thread wanting a mirror-less FF interchangeable lens camera and now that we're finally about to get that camera there seem to be more posts from people complaining about speculative minor details like looks and EVF placement than people excited to finally get this type of camera. I don't get it.
clearly you have much to learn about human nature.
i will be excited when i see the camera if most of the rumors are true. excitement isn't much to talk about though – i'll either buy it or i won't. right now speculation and armchair quarterbacking (apologies in advance if this term makes no sense to people outside the us) is where the "action" is at.
For years I've seen many many posters on this thread wanting a mirror-less FF interchangeable lens camera and now that we're finally about to get that camera there seem to be more posts from people complaining about speculative minor details like looks and EVF placement than people excited to finally get this type of camera. I don't get it.
clearly you have much to learn about human nature.
i will be excited when i see the camera if most of the rumors are true. excitement isn't much to talk about though – i'll either buy it or i won't. right now speculation and armchair quarterbacking (apologies in advance if this term makes no sense to people outside the us) is where the "action" is at.
Oct 13, 2013 at 05:04 PM
p.56 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I don't think this camera looks like the EM-1 at all. That camera has that horrendous grip and the protruding faux (I wannna be like Canon/Nikon) prism box. The A7(r)'s faux box doesn't protrude in the front. It angles backwards, kinda like some medium format cameras. This camera looks more like Mamiya-fied or Hassy-fied RX1. It's growing on me quite a bit.
The problem now is lens. The rumors of one lens at launch is disturbing. We know how long it takes Zeiss to deliver lenses after announcement. Will we have to wait a year for a second lens? The free adapter mount sounds interesting. If I do buy one of these cameras, I might go for the M adapter and try some of the older Leica lenses on it. I already have an F adapter for my Nikon lenses.
The problem now is lens. The rumors of one lens at launch is disturbing. We know how long it takes Zeiss to deliver lenses after announcement. Will we have to wait a year for a second lens? The free adapter mount sounds interesting. If I do buy one of these cameras, I might go for the M adapter and try some of the older Leica lenses on it. I already have an F adapter for my Nikon lenses.
Oct 13, 2013 at 05:06 PM
p.56 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
People who understand what such a camera is potentially capable of dont really care about styling or are willing to sacrifice it, and thats a sane attitude I think.
the thing that bugs me is that styling also affects functionality, ie when you build an EVF hump in the middle because of a japanese stereotype on what a camera is supposed to look like, you miss the opportunity to put it on the side which is many (most?) peoples' preference with regards to EVFs, and you (probably?) miss the opportunity to make it removable to at least give people the option to get rid of it.
anyway it's not that important, as long as the camera works well with most lens designs people will work around the annoyances. The think that will really tempt me is if I see it working well with M pancakes, rokkor/leica 40/2 or Zeiss C35/2.8 and CV 28/3.5 or 21/4, that will be a nice package
What is a 50mm pancake?
the thing that bugs me is that styling also affects functionality, ie when you build an EVF hump in the middle because of a japanese stereotype on what a camera is supposed to look like, you miss the opportunity to put it on the side which is many (most?) peoples' preference with regards to EVFs, and you (probably?) miss the opportunity to make it removable to at least give people the option to get rid of it.
anyway it's not that important, as long as the camera works well with most lens designs people will work around the annoyances. The think that will really tempt me is if I see it working well with M pancakes, rokkor/leica 40/2 or Zeiss C35/2.8 and CV 28/3.5 or 21/4, that will be a nice package
What is a 50mm pancake?
Oct 13, 2013 at 05:15 PM
p.56 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Spyro P. wrote:
... when you build an EVF hump in the middle because of a japanese stereotype on what a camera is supposed to look like...
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6224/6271598700_378999a986_b.jpg
... when you build an EVF hump in the middle because of a japanese stereotype on what a camera is supposed to look like...
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6224/6271598700_378999a986_b.jpg
Oct 13, 2013 at 05:23 PM
p.56 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
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Oct 13, 2013 at 05:29 PM
p.56 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
haha
and which, sir has the superior light meter?
and which, sir has the superior light meter?
Oct 13, 2013 at 06:32 PM
p.56 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
a later model that had it built-in 
Oct 13, 2013 at 06:40 PM
p.56 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
^That shape reminds me very much of a Panasonic G or GH series camera. Nothing like a NEX anyway.
Oct 13, 2013 at 11:06 PM
p.56 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
carstenw wrote:
The camera is ugly? What are you looking for, a date? Or for a compact, full-frame mirrorless imaging device?
I wonder what your wife looks like Purely functional? We form bonds with "stuff" all the time. We love beautiful cars, we abhor ugly cars. The same with cameras. I tend to think that people who don't enjoy beautiful stuff have no sense of humour. Prove me wrong
So since I believe a camera is primarily a functional piece of equipment you would imply I have no appreciation of beauty? And why would you equate my wife with being a tool?
I care much less about what the tool looks like, and more about how effective it is at its job. I spent five years remodeling my home and put a lot of work into making it beautiful. But none of the tools I used in that work are in any way pretty (especially not after the abuse they've been put through).
Cars? Of course aesthetics are important, because we associate cars much more closely with an image we outwardly project to the world. Same thing with clothes, jewelry, furniture, or homes etc. Because these are all things which in our society have reached such a point of universal utility that our choice in these matters outwardly reflects how we present ourselves to the world.
But for me, the camera is not about outward presentation. It's what the camera creates that I want to present to the world, not the camera itself.
That would be my advice to everyone fretting over how this camera "looks." Worry more about what your photos look like. Your photos are what reflect your sensibility of beauty, not your equipment.
artd wrote
I find it kind of funny how people are getting so upset about how the camera "looks." To me, a camera is a tool, not a fashion accessory.The camera is ugly? What are you looking for, a date? Or for a compact, full-frame mirrorless imaging device?
Purely functional? We form bonds with "stuff" all the time. We love beautiful cars, we abhor ugly cars. The same with cameras. I tend to think that people who don't enjoy beautiful stuff have no sense of humour. Prove me wrong So since I believe a camera is primarily a functional piece of equipment you would imply I have no appreciation of beauty? And why would you equate my wife with being a tool?
I care much less about what the tool looks like, and more about how effective it is at its job. I spent five years remodeling my home and put a lot of work into making it beautiful. But none of the tools I used in that work are in any way pretty (especially not after the abuse they've been put through).
Cars? Of course aesthetics are important, because we associate cars much more closely with an image we outwardly project to the world. Same thing with clothes, jewelry, furniture, or homes etc. Because these are all things which in our society have reached such a point of universal utility that our choice in these matters outwardly reflects how we present ourselves to the world.
But for me, the camera is not about outward presentation. It's what the camera creates that I want to present to the world, not the camera itself.
That would be my advice to everyone fretting over how this camera "looks." Worry more about what your photos look like. Your photos are what reflect your sensibility of beauty, not your equipment.
Oct 13, 2013 at 11:40 PM
p.56 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I tend to care about how everything I use looks and feels.
I can safely say that the current level of camera offerings easily surpass my photographic needs in terms of performance so look, feel and tactile functionality are all important.
I find the process more binding when the tool I use inspires me..
I can safely say that the current level of camera offerings easily surpass my photographic needs in terms of performance so look, feel and tactile functionality are all important.
I find the process more binding when the tool I use inspires me..
Oct 14, 2013 at 12:25 AM
p.56 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Spyro P. wrote:
the thing that bugs me is that styling also affects functionality, ie when you build an EVF hump in the middle because of a japanese stereotype on what a camera is supposed to look like, you miss the opportunity to put it on the side which is many (most?) peoples' preference with regards to EVFs, and you (probably?) miss the opportunity to make it removable to at least give people the option to get rid of it.
Spyro, while I basically aggree with what you write, notice what Wfrank already indicated. The EVF is not at the centre of the camera, and neither is the lens. It is offset quite a bit to the left (though not all the way like NEX 7).
the thing that bugs me is that styling also affects functionality, ie when you build an EVF hump in the middle because of a japanese stereotype on what a camera is supposed to look like, you miss the opportunity to put it on the side which is many (most?) peoples' preference with regards to EVFs, and you (probably?) miss the opportunity to make it removable to at least give people the option to get rid of it.
Spyro, while I basically aggree with what you write, notice what Wfrank already indicated. The EVF is not at the centre of the camera, and neither is the lens. It is offset quite a bit to the left (though not all the way like NEX 7).
Oct 14, 2013 at 12:35 AM
p.56 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
artd wrote:
I care much less about what the tool looks like, and more about how effective it is at its job. I spent five years remodeling my home and put a lot of work into making it beautiful. But none of the tools I used in that work are in any way pretty (especially not after the abuse they've been put through).
Well, I agree with that, but I do not agree that it doesn't matter at all what a camera looks like.
No, I do not consider a camera to be jewelllery, for some reason the group of people who claim that it doesn't matter what a camera looks like jump straight from the one extreme to the other, missing another possibility: I care what a camera (or anything else) looks like, even though I do not care what other people think of it. I enjoy well-designed things. I think that tools have their own beauty as well, as least nice, good tools.I do not understand the mindset of people who do not care what things look like.
Would you buy a pink camera?
I care much less about what the tool looks like, and more about how effective it is at its job. I spent five years remodeling my home and put a lot of work into making it beautiful. But none of the tools I used in that work are in any way pretty (especially not after the abuse they've been put through).
Well, I agree with that, but I do not agree that it doesn't matter at all what a camera looks like.
No, I do not consider a camera to be jewelllery, for some reason the group of people who claim that it doesn't matter what a camera looks like jump straight from the one extreme to the other, missing another possibility: I care what a camera (or anything else) looks like, even though I do not care what other people think of it. I enjoy well-designed things. I think that tools have their own beauty as well, as least nice, good tools.I do not understand the mindset of people who do not care what things look like.
Would you buy a pink camera?
Oct 14, 2013 at 01:22 AM
p.56 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
sflxn wrote:
I don't think this camera looks like the EM-1 at all. That camera has that horrendous grip and the protruding faux (I wannna be like Canon/Nikon) prism box.
Well, no. This design harks back to Olympus' own SLR days. The E-M5 was explicitly designed to look similar to the OM-4, and the hump isn't fake, it does hold something, including the 5-axis gyroscope. The shape could have been different, but why?
I don't think this camera looks like the EM-1 at all. That camera has that horrendous grip and the protruding faux (I wannna be like Canon/Nikon) prism box.
Well, no. This design harks back to Olympus' own SLR days. The E-M5 was explicitly designed to look similar to the OM-4, and the hump isn't fake, it does hold something, including the 5-axis gyroscope. The shape could have been different, but why?
Oct 14, 2013 at 01:25 AM
p.56 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The rumors say that the EVF will be the same as in the Olympus E-M1. Try fitting that one in a NEX7-like design. It's a fantastic EVF which offers a huge view. A hump on top as consequence? So be it!
Oct 14, 2013 at 01:25 AM
p.56 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Well, from that preview video the camera looks a lot nicer than the sketch and "photo" on the previous page, more like a 5DII or 5DIII, with the grip of an E-M1. Everyone rejoice, except those who do not care at all what a camera looks like. Unless of course this is something else, Alpha mount or whatever.
Oct 14, 2013 at 02:05 AM