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p.54 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Rickuz wrote:
+ one to that. I think the extra $ buys more than MPs too, of a technical nature.
'I don't have a high ISO fetish, but neither my NEX 7 nor D800E are exceptional at high ISO'
What is substantially better (D800e), up to its design ceiling of a true ISO 18000?5D2 and 5D3 outperform the D800 at ISO6400+ from what I have seen. That, of course, is my subjective opinion.They slightly do. 
But on the other hand, the D800 crushes and destroys the 5D3 on lower ISO settings. The exmor sensor is also free from the ridiculous shadow banding, which has become like a "trademarked feature" on Canon's sensors.
It all depends on what you want.
Slightly better high ISO. Go for Canon.
Way way way better low ISO. Go Nikon.
I'm a canonite btw. I have the 5D3, but I'd rip out the sensor and replace it with a D800 sensor if I could.
I've owned a 5DII and now a 6D. The shadow banding drove me nuts on the 5DII but it's completely gone on the 6D and probably all future Canon sensors. Obviously Canon lags on DR but they have finally solved the banding issue.
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philip_pj wrote
'I'm betting the difference between these two cameras will not simply be megapixels.'+ one to that. I think the extra $ buys more than MPs too, of a technical nature.
'I don't have a high ISO fetish, but neither my NEX 7 nor D800E are exceptional at high ISO'
What is substantially better (D800e), up to its design ceiling of a true ISO 18000?
But on the other hand, the D800 crushes and destroys the 5D3 on lower ISO settings. The exmor sensor is also free from the ridiculous shadow banding, which has become like a "trademarked feature" on Canon's sensors.
It all depends on what you want.
Slightly better high ISO. Go for Canon.
Way way way better low ISO. Go Nikon.
I'm a canonite btw. I have the 5D3, but I'd rip out the sensor and replace it with a D800 sensor if I could.
I've owned a 5DII and now a 6D. The shadow banding drove me nuts on the 5DII but it's completely gone on the 6D and probably all future Canon sensors. Obviously Canon lags on DR but they have finally solved the banding issue.
Oct 12, 2013 at 10:22 PM
p.54 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
kezeka wrote:
5D2 and 5D3 outperform the D800 at ISO6400+ from what I have seen. That, of course, is my subjective opinion.
In the very deepest of shadows (High ISO DR) but otherwise the D800 actually has a slight edge. Here's a comparison I did a while ago.
5D2 and 5D3 outperform the D800 at ISO6400+ from what I have seen. That, of course, is my subjective opinion.
In the very deepest of shadows (High ISO DR) but otherwise the D800 actually has a slight edge. Here's a comparison I did a while ago.
Oct 12, 2013 at 11:43 PM
p.54 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tarocco, I have never seen banding in even quite hard pressed post work on images out of 24Mp Sony sensors (I have a99 and RX1, same as D600).
DxO shows the best Canon is equal in high ISO to the D800s but has a higher ceiling, I thought there might be something else out there and wanted to know.
DxO shows the best Canon is equal in high ISO to the D800s but has a higher ceiling, I thought there might be something else out there and wanted to know.
Oct 13, 2013 at 12:13 AM
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p.54 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
philip_pj wrote:
DxO shows the best Canon is equal in high ISO to the D800s but has a higher ceiling, I thought there might be something else out there and wanted to know.
At the cost of color reproduction for Canon. And, still, Sony's sensor has an edge
DxO shows the best Canon is equal in high ISO to the D800s but has a higher ceiling, I thought there might be something else out there and wanted to know.
At the cost of color reproduction for Canon. And, still, Sony's sensor has an edge
Oct 13, 2013 at 12:19 AM
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p.54 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
kezeka wrote:
5D2 and 5D3 outperform the D800 at ISO6400+ from what I have seen. That, of course, is my subjective opinion.
There's no room for "opinion" once measurements are done. There's one for PP skill though
DxO mark shows there's no difference at highest ISOs available for D800 between it and both 5d3 and 6d. But there's another factor that gives D800 an advantage: higher resolution. Modern NR algorithms, such as BM3D, various neural networks denosing approaches, etc not just smooth out noise, they are trying to reconstructs ruined parts based on prelearning, other image parts, etc. So, most probably, with NR→(downscaling to 6d or 5d3 image size) pipe you will end up with higher D800's SNR.
5D2 and 5D3 outperform the D800 at ISO6400+ from what I have seen. That, of course, is my subjective opinion.
There's no room for "opinion" once measurements are done. There's one for PP skill though
DxO mark shows there's no difference at highest ISOs available for D800 between it and both 5d3 and 6d. But there's another factor that gives D800 an advantage: higher resolution. Modern NR algorithms, such as BM3D, various neural networks denosing approaches, etc not just smooth out noise, they are trying to reconstructs ruined parts based on prelearning, other image parts, etc. So, most probably, with NR→(downscaling to 6d or 5d3 image size) pipe you will end up with higher D800's SNR.
Oct 13, 2013 at 12:38 AM
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(SR5) First low resolution image of the Sony A7 mirrorles Full Frame!
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-first-low-resolution-image-of-the-sony-a7-mirrorles-full-frame/
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-first-low-resolution-image-of-the-sony-a7-mirrorles-full-frame/
Oct 13, 2013 at 02:59 AM
p.54 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Interesting that the image and sketch from a couple of days ago match. Personally I hope that the lump on top is a removable optional EVF.
Would be nice if the existance of the mentioned adapters including Leica M are true as it would imply that Sony actually spent some thoughts starting long time ago about "alt" lenses.
Would be nice if the existance of the mentioned adapters including Leica M are true as it would imply that Sony actually spent some thoughts starting long time ago about "alt" lenses.
Oct 13, 2013 at 03:22 AM
p.54 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
wfrank wrote:
Interesting that the image and sketch from a couple of days ago match. Personally I hope that the lump on top is a removable optional EVF.
Detachable EVF would make it impossible to use with flash or radio triggers at the same time since they both require the hotshoe. I would also like to try using OVF and EVF together - for example OVF for framing and shooting and EVF for chimping and checking settings in bright sunlight.
Would be nice if the existance of the mentioned adapters including Leica M are true as it would imply that Sony actually spent some thoughts starting long time ago about "alt" lenses.
I concur. If true then it's an extremely promising development.
Interesting that the image and sketch from a couple of days ago match. Personally I hope that the lump on top is a removable optional EVF.
Detachable EVF would make it impossible to use with flash or radio triggers at the same time since they both require the hotshoe. I would also like to try using OVF and EVF together - for example OVF for framing and shooting and EVF for chimping and checking settings in bright sunlight.
Would be nice if the existance of the mentioned adapters including Leica M are true as it would imply that Sony actually spent some thoughts starting long time ago about "alt" lenses.
I concur. If true then it's an extremely promising development.
Oct 13, 2013 at 03:46 AM
p.54 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I like it. It's like an RX1 with EVF hump and grip.
Oct 13, 2013 at 03:54 AM
p.54 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Finally, it has arrived. Only question now is 24 or 36 MP.
Oct 13, 2013 at 04:20 AM
p.54 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Spammer...I reported this to Fred...
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Oct 13, 2013 at 05:25 AM
p.54 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
This pic looks better than the sketch, I'd still prefer the EVF to be integrated like the NEX-7 but if it's magnifaction factor is larger then it could be worth the largish bump.
I like that they are calling it built like a tank and weather sealed, as that is 2 things I miss from my 1DIII.
Starting to think I'll be buying it at launch.
I like that they are calling it built like a tank and weather sealed, as that is 2 things I miss from my 1DIII.
Starting to think I'll be buying it at launch.
Oct 13, 2013 at 06:05 AM
p.54 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
According to the SAR admin, there's no built in flash but that's slightly obvious from the picture. Also, he said that it's using a similar menu system to the one from the RX cameras rather than using the NEX menu interface.
Oct 13, 2013 at 06:06 AM
p.54 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Does anyone else think the strap lug on the grip side (right side) of the camera looks odd (as in not real, Photoshopped)? On the RX1, the strap lugs are symmetrical.
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Oct 13, 2013 at 06:56 AM
p.54 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
_julian_ wrote:
wfrank wrote
Interesting that the image and sketch from a couple of days ago match. Personally I hope that the lump on top is a removable optional EVF.Earlier quote
Would be nice if the existance of the mentioned adapters including Leica M are true as it would imply that Sony actually spent some thoughts starting long time ago about "alt" lenses.Not that I think the EVF is removable on the new camera, but you could always have a hotshoe on top of a removable EVF, if the EVF was metal and locked into place.
Oct 13, 2013 at 07:00 AM
p.54 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Alee18 wrote:
Finally, it has arrived. Only question now is 24 or 36 MP.
The A7R is 36MP, and no AA-filter.
There will also be a cheaper version called A7 with crippled resolution (24mp) and AA-filter, if that is your cup of tea.
Finally, it has arrived. Only question now is 24 or 36 MP.
The A7R is 36MP, and no AA-filter.
There will also be a cheaper version called A7 with crippled resolution (24mp) and AA-filter, if that is your cup of tea.
Oct 13, 2013 at 07:16 AM
p.54 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
What's this crap I see about them putting the VF in the middle now? Any point to that?
To me it's more practical and comfortable to have it on the far left.
To me it's more practical and comfortable to have it on the far left.
Oct 13, 2013 at 07:32 AM
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ricardovaste wrote:
What's this crap I see about them putting the VF in the middle now? Any point to that?
To me it's more practical and comfortable to have it on the far left.
dear sir, I hate to inform you but we're probably in the minority here... I asked the question
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1246851
What's this crap I see about them putting the VF in the middle now? Any point to that?
To me it's more practical and comfortable to have it on the far left.
dear sir, I hate to inform you but we're probably in the minority here... I asked the question
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1246851
Oct 13, 2013 at 07:48 AM
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ricardovaste wrote:
What's this crap I see about them putting the VF in the middle now? Any point to that?
To me it's more practical and comfortable to have it on the far left.
My left eye is stronger.
What's this crap I see about them putting the VF in the middle now? Any point to that?
To me it's more practical and comfortable to have it on the far left.
My left eye is stronger.
Oct 13, 2013 at 09:10 AM
p.54 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I know SAR gives this new image a 100% authentic SR5 rating but looking at the position of that grip side strap lug AND looking at the same grip and lug position on an NEX-6 does give the impression that someone just slightly reworked the NEX-6 grip (with lug intact) and stuck it on the front of an RX1 but lowered it. That would explain the odd position. I guess it will be funny if it indeed is Sony who basically did that with the actual camera!
http://intreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/nex-1.jpg
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/picrumors001/A7-pic_zpse75492de.jpg
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http://intreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/nex-1.jpg
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/picrumors001/A7-pic_zpse75492de.jpg
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