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p.24 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Gunzorro wrote:
sebboh -- Ha-ha! Okay, so protecting your gear is a low priority.
Sorry for the lecture on a padded bag. 
I have a nice little Lowepro Passport Sling that could be worn as an additional cross-chest bag to balance your diaper bag.
I still think you take great pictures. So, I can't be too judgmental about your logistics.
ha, thanks. yeah, i definitely don't want two bags. i need one bag to serve work/laptop, camera, and diaper duties. i don't really care about padding either, i've always been pretty rough with my gear and this is the first time anything has happened. most of my equipment is sturdy enough to take a few hits and i'm not going to spend energy babying it. maybe if the insurance claim is a huge hassle i'll reconsider that stance.
i don't like camera bags because they are inconveniently shaped either for comfort or for quickly accessing equipment (or both) and because most of them look like giant signs that say "please mug me" (this is probably less of an issue now that i live in SF than it was on the south side of chicago).
sebboh -- Ha-ha! Okay, so protecting your gear is a low priority.
Sorry for the lecture on a padded bag. I have a nice little Lowepro Passport Sling that could be worn as an additional cross-chest bag to balance your diaper bag.
I still think you take great pictures. So, I can't be too judgmental about your logistics.
ha, thanks. yeah, i definitely don't want two bags. i need one bag to serve work/laptop, camera, and diaper duties. i don't really care about padding either, i've always been pretty rough with my gear and this is the first time anything has happened. most of my equipment is sturdy enough to take a few hits and i'm not going to spend energy babying it. maybe if the insurance claim is a huge hassle i'll reconsider that stance.
i don't like camera bags because they are inconveniently shaped either for comfort or for quickly accessing equipment (or both) and because most of them look like giant signs that say "please mug me" (this is probably less of an issue now that i live in SF than it was on the south side of chicago).
Aug 25, 2013 at 03:58 PM
p.24 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Camera bags per se are marketing adjuncts to the pose side of the activity. What works is light backpack gear and individual lens and camera bags (Lowepro are excellent), and for a carry bag I use a North Face Jester, very strong straps, could hold a stack of nappies too ;-) I put a thin sheet of medium density blown foam at the bottom. TBH, I would be extremely confident about a one metre fall for my gear inside that lot.
The little new Sony looks sweet, bet the Japanese girls love it.
The little new Sony looks sweet, bet the Japanese girls love it.
Aug 25, 2013 at 04:09 PM
p.24 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Will I have to buy an SLR-style body to get IBIS?
Do Sony consider the compact size of the NEX cameras to be a premium?
Is there any hope that Sony will eventually have a camera line-up where they have a similar features/specs hierarchy in two parallel form factors? (SLR-style and compact/rangefinder-style). Meaning that there isn't some stupid situation where every camera is some sort of compromise.I thought I read somewhere previously that SLR style bodies would get IBIS and NEX style compact bodies would not. This ILC-3000 though confuses things from what I had previously read because, in addition to SLR style bodies getting IBIS, I thought that would be restricted to A-Mount as well (and the ILC-3000 is E-Mount). I see this as a good thing since it now means E-Mount is in on IBIS as well. Sony looks to be blurring the differentiation between the two mounts which, to me, spells the end of A-mount eventually if I had to guess.
Now it makes more sense. This SLR styled body with E-Mount apparently does not have the IBIS as previously thought. I guess Sony may save that feature for A-Mount after all.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/rumor-correction-ilc-3000-has-no-in-body-stabilization/
Taylor Sherman wrote
While I'm not completely baffled by the ILC-3000 - it might sell quite well - it definitely does make me wonder what's in store.Will I have to buy an SLR-style body to get IBIS?
Do Sony consider the compact size of the NEX cameras to be a premium?
Is there any hope that Sony will eventually have a camera line-up where they have a similar features/specs hierarchy in two parallel form factors? (SLR-style and compact/rangefinder-style). Meaning that there isn't some stupid situation where every camera is some sort of compromise.
Now it makes more sense. This SLR styled body with E-Mount apparently does not have the IBIS as previously thought. I guess Sony may save that feature for A-Mount after all.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/rumor-correction-ilc-3000-has-no-in-body-stabilization/
Aug 26, 2013 at 03:24 PM
p.24 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I'm confused why one would think the E-mount will supplant the A-mount?
There's a large group who don't consider a rangefinder style the epitome of camera design. Larger lenses are better balanced with larger cameras, to say nothing of the additional features (SSS) that can be incorporated.
Sony owns the alpha mount, it's not as if they'd save money abandoning it in favor of the E.
Why would Sony intentionally abandon it's current customer base? I use 4 SLT/SLR A mount bodies, and 14 lenses. Didn't companies learn from "New Coke"?
There's a market for both A and E. I'll likely pick up a NEX if the full frame materializes, but drop the A mount and my gear is for sale, and nothing more from Sony for me. I suspect my feelings are shared by more than a few.
Graham
There's a large group who don't consider a rangefinder style the epitome of camera design. Larger lenses are better balanced with larger cameras, to say nothing of the additional features (SSS) that can be incorporated.
Sony owns the alpha mount, it's not as if they'd save money abandoning it in favor of the E.
Why would Sony intentionally abandon it's current customer base? I use 4 SLT/SLR A mount bodies, and 14 lenses. Didn't companies learn from "New Coke"?
There's a market for both A and E. I'll likely pick up a NEX if the full frame materializes, but drop the A mount and my gear is for sale, and nothing more from Sony for me. I suspect my feelings are shared by more than a few.
Graham
Aug 26, 2013 at 08:02 PM
p.24 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Now it makes more sense. This SLR styled body with E-Mount apparently does not have the IBIS as previously thought. I guess Sony may save that feature for A-Mount after all.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/rumor-correction-ilc-3000-has-no-in-body-stabilization/
That's actually good news to me, I don't want the itch to get yet another E mount camera.
Now it makes more sense. This SLR styled body with E-Mount apparently does not have the IBIS as previously thought. I guess Sony may save that feature for A-Mount after all.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/rumor-correction-ilc-3000-has-no-in-body-stabilization/
That's actually good news to me, I don't want the itch to get yet another E mount camera.
Aug 26, 2013 at 08:13 PM
p.24 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
grahamb3 wrote:
I'm confused why one would think the E-mount will supplant the A-mount?
There's a large group who don't consider a rangefinder style the epitome of camera design. Larger lenses are better balanced with larger cameras, to say nothing of the additional features (SSS) that can be incorporated.
Sony owns the alpha mount, it's not as if they'd save money abandoning it in favor of the E.
Why would Sony intentionally abandon it's current customer base? I use 4 SLT/SLR A mount bodies, and 14 lenses. Didn't companies learn from "New Coke"?
There's a market for both A and E. I'll likely pick up a...Show more →
I don't think Sony will drop A-mount, but I do think that Sony will eventually merge e-mount and a-mount. All the cameras can be e-mount with adapters for a-mount when needed.
The rumor is that this new A3000 will be $300 US without a lens, which is super cheap and will undercut the Rebel, which is still the best DSLR seller out there. It makes a lot of sense for Sony to build a camera that looks like a little DSLR, but is cheaper to build, because of less moving parts. Heck, I might even buy one for $300, just for my very occasional tele use.
I'm confused why one would think the E-mount will supplant the A-mount?
There's a large group who don't consider a rangefinder style the epitome of camera design. Larger lenses are better balanced with larger cameras, to say nothing of the additional features (SSS) that can be incorporated.
Sony owns the alpha mount, it's not as if they'd save money abandoning it in favor of the E.
Why would Sony intentionally abandon it's current customer base? I use 4 SLT/SLR A mount bodies, and 14 lenses. Didn't companies learn from "New Coke"?
There's a market for both A and E. I'll likely pick up a...Show more →
I don't think Sony will drop A-mount, but I do think that Sony will eventually merge e-mount and a-mount. All the cameras can be e-mount with adapters for a-mount when needed.
The rumor is that this new A3000 will be $300 US without a lens, which is super cheap and will undercut the Rebel, which is still the best DSLR seller out there. It makes a lot of sense for Sony to build a camera that looks like a little DSLR, but is cheaper to build, because of less moving parts. Heck, I might even buy one for $300, just for my very occasional tele use.
Aug 26, 2013 at 08:23 PM
p.24 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
grahamb3 wrote:
I'm confused why one would think the E-mount will supplant the A-mount?
There's a large group who don't consider a rangefinder style the epitome of camera design. Larger lenses are better balanced with larger cameras, to say nothing of the additional features (SSS) that can be incorporated.
Sony owns the alpha mount, it's not as if they'd save money abandoning it in favor of the E.
Why would Sony intentionally abandon it's current customer base? I use 4 SLT/SLR A mount bodies, and 14 lenses. Didn't companies learn from "New Coke"?
There's a market for both A and E. I'll likely pick up a...Show more →
As far as the possibility of Sony abandoning the A-Mount, I was really talking about down the road - 4 to 7 years maybe. Large bodies with an SLR shape and all the traditional A-Mount features can be just as easily incorporated into the E-Mount. After seeing how quickly Sony abandoned the optical finder of the a900 in it's replacement, I don't really see Sony as a company that is afraid of dramatic change (even at the risk of loosing some of their existing customers as they probably figure they will gain more customers with the change), particularly if they perceive a technological (and economical) benefit. They would save money I suspect by consolidating the two mount systems as it would be cheaper to design and build for one mount rather than two (and I'm sure the A-Mount lenses would be perfectly useable on some future, larger bodied E-Mount camera with IBIS and so on).
Edited on Aug 26, 2013 at 08:37 PM · View previous versions
I'm confused why one would think the E-mount will supplant the A-mount?
There's a large group who don't consider a rangefinder style the epitome of camera design. Larger lenses are better balanced with larger cameras, to say nothing of the additional features (SSS) that can be incorporated.
Sony owns the alpha mount, it's not as if they'd save money abandoning it in favor of the E.
Why would Sony intentionally abandon it's current customer base? I use 4 SLT/SLR A mount bodies, and 14 lenses. Didn't companies learn from "New Coke"?
There's a market for both A and E. I'll likely pick up a...Show more →
As far as the possibility of Sony abandoning the A-Mount, I was really talking about down the road - 4 to 7 years maybe. Large bodies with an SLR shape and all the traditional A-Mount features can be just as easily incorporated into the E-Mount. After seeing how quickly Sony abandoned the optical finder of the a900 in it's replacement, I don't really see Sony as a company that is afraid of dramatic change (even at the risk of loosing some of their existing customers as they probably figure they will gain more customers with the change), particularly if they perceive a technological (and economical) benefit. They would save money I suspect by consolidating the two mount systems as it would be cheaper to design and build for one mount rather than two (and I'm sure the A-Mount lenses would be perfectly useable on some future, larger bodied E-Mount camera with IBIS and so on).
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Aug 26, 2013 at 08:35 PM
p.24 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
graham, there are small redoubts of people who feel that way including some who hate Sony for taking over Minolta and producing worse cameras.
It is a case of shifting priorities for them, as they wish to succeed in market and profit terms. The A mount was never well supported by peole who already had a good cookie cutter DSLR system, it never gave them the leg up they were hoping for given the innovation of the 100% VF and SSS in a Minolta style DSLR. And that market hates SLT and likely less well-performing mirrorless AF with a passion. Mirrorless AF must be as good as pro C/N before it gets a guernsey...
Their innovation program has done extremely well by stark contrast - NEX and the RXs, and now Sony are market leaders in those market segments. The RX1 is at full production, the RX100 is well-received (and they can make an APS-C version), so an FF version of NEX and ongoing APS-C NEX makes excellent sense rather than trying to duke it out with C/N against the odds.
A mount will go on but more slowly, the small cameras with FF and Zeiss optics will be huge successes provided they do not compromise it too much to make it all things to all photographers, and lose what they have. You can never please everyone.
It is a case of shifting priorities for them, as they wish to succeed in market and profit terms. The A mount was never well supported by peole who already had a good cookie cutter DSLR system, it never gave them the leg up they were hoping for given the innovation of the 100% VF and SSS in a Minolta style DSLR. And that market hates SLT and likely less well-performing mirrorless AF with a passion. Mirrorless AF must be as good as pro C/N before it gets a guernsey...
Their innovation program has done extremely well by stark contrast - NEX and the RXs, and now Sony are market leaders in those market segments. The RX1 is at full production, the RX100 is well-received (and they can make an APS-C version), so an FF version of NEX and ongoing APS-C NEX makes excellent sense rather than trying to duke it out with C/N against the odds.
A mount will go on but more slowly, the small cameras with FF and Zeiss optics will be huge successes provided they do not compromise it too much to make it all things to all photographers, and lose what they have. You can never please everyone.
Aug 26, 2013 at 08:36 PM
p.24 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
If the SAR photos are accurate, the a3000's fairly basic on the controls, but I suppose it's meant to be an SLR-like point and shoot. $398's a little higher than expected, but still a decent price.
Aug 26, 2013 at 09:59 PM
p.24 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Well, that includes the kit lens.
Aug 26, 2013 at 10:23 PM
p.24 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Does it? I thought it was body-only.
Aug 26, 2013 at 10:24 PM
p.24 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
freaklikeme wrote:
Does it? I thought it was body-only.
Nope, it's official on dpreview. That includes the kit lens.
Does it? I thought it was body-only.
Nope, it's official on dpreview. That includes the kit lens.
Aug 26, 2013 at 10:27 PM
p.24 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Can you buy it body-only? Amazon's only showing the kit.
Aug 26, 2013 at 10:29 PM
p.24 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
freaklikeme wrote:
Can you buy it body-only? Amazon's only showing the kit.
It doesn't look like it, so one would have to toss the zoom on ebay.
Can you buy it body-only? Amazon's only showing the kit.
It doesn't look like it, so one would have to toss the zoom on ebay.
Aug 26, 2013 at 10:32 PM
p.24 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
douglasf13 wrote:
It doesn't look like it, so one would have to toss the zoom on ebay.
At least it's black. But is it worth it to try and sell a kit lens? It seems logical to me that the people who want them would've purchased them with their cameras, so your market gets limited to people who aren't smart shoppers or bargain hunters. Wouldn't you be better off hanging on to it and then selling it when you decided to sell the camera? To my way of thinking, it'll broaden the audience for the camera and expedite that sale, even if you lose a small amount more than you would selling separately.
freaklikeme wrote
Can you buy it body-only? Amazon's only showing the kit.At least it's black. But is it worth it to try and sell a kit lens? It seems logical to me that the people who want them would've purchased them with their cameras, so your market gets limited to people who aren't smart shoppers or bargain hunters. Wouldn't you be better off hanging on to it and then selling it when you decided to sell the camera? To my way of thinking, it'll broaden the audience for the camera and expedite that sale, even if you lose a small amount more than you would selling separately.
Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM
p.24 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I am interested to learn more about the new 20Mp APS-C sensor, because the more expensive NEX 5T did not get it, which suggests that the older 16.1Mp is somehow better. Any info?
Aug 26, 2013 at 11:33 PM
p.24 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
freaklikeme wrote:
It doesn't look like it, so one would have to toss the zoom on ebay.At least it's black. But is it worth it to try and sell a kit lens? It seems logical to me that the people who want them would've purchased them with their cameras, so your market gets limited to people who aren't smart shoppers or bargain hunters. Wouldn't you be better off hanging on to it and then selling it when you decided to sell the camera? To my way of thinking, it'll broaden the audience for the camera and expedite that sale, even if you lose a small amount more than you would selling separately.
The lens costs $299 on it's own, and I'd bet you could get $150 for it on ebay. I'd just go ahead and sell the lens, because these cameras are too cheap to sell later on down the line. I'd rather just keep the camera for backup or something in a few years.
douglasf13 wrote
freaklikeme wrote
Can you buy it body-only? Amazon's only showing the kit.The lens costs $299 on it's own, and I'd bet you could get $150 for it on ebay. I'd just go ahead and sell the lens, because these cameras are too cheap to sell later on down the line. I'd rather just keep the camera for backup or something in a few years.
Aug 27, 2013 at 12:21 AM
p.24 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Dpreview pretty much rips the body apart. This is certainly a low cost model and no A-mount killer.
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-alpha-a3000
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-alpha-a3000
Aug 27, 2013 at 04:06 AM
p.24 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I have a bad feeling that Sony will release an FF version of the E-mount a3000 camera, before a smallish FF NEX. Just because "pros want large cameras" or something. Then I will have to kill someone. Or just die.
Aug 27, 2013 at 07:48 AM
p.24 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
alundeb wrote:
Dpreview pretty much rips the body apart. This is certainly a low cost model and no A-mount killer.
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-alpha-a3000
yeah, i can't believe they didn't at least give it a thumb wheel to go with the nice big grip.
Dpreview pretty much rips the body apart. This is certainly a low cost model and no A-mount killer.
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-alpha-a3000
yeah, i can't believe they didn't at least give it a thumb wheel to go with the nice big grip.
Aug 27, 2013 at 07:56 AM