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p.2 #1So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
form wrote:
But the godawfulness of the shadows. OMG.... It's sickeningly bad....god it's bad. Pushing anything 1-2 stops and I see chroma crap everywhere in the dark areas.
OK, I think I'm catching ow new. Your writing style is essentially hyperbolic.
godawfulness... sickeningly bad... god it's bad... chroma crap everywhere...
Somehow I don't think that my answer would make you happy or help you. And, yes, it would be a photographic answer.
Carry on.
Hiding,
Dan
But the godawfulness of the shadows. OMG.... It's sickeningly bad....god it's bad. Pushing anything 1-2 stops and I see chroma crap everywhere in the dark areas.
OK, I think I'm catching ow new. Your writing style is essentially hyperbolic.
godawfulness... sickeningly bad... god it's bad... chroma crap everywhere...
Somehow I don't think that my answer would make you happy or help you. And, yes, it would be a photographic answer.
Carry on.
Hiding,
Dan
Jun 01, 2013 at 05:01 PM
p.2 #2So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
mitesh wrote:
Oh i was thinking the same thing...a ploy to direct more people to his website.It got me thinking- if I had a dollar for every page view his last thread got, I could actually afford the new 200-400L and a refurb 5D3 to go with it! Oh, the 5D3 is plenty good for my purposes 
I'm shooting a kids makeup (hair and makeup) party today. we'll see how bad the 5dIII sucks arse.
Sunny Sra wrote
mitesh wrote
If nothing else, form, you really know how to start threads that rack up the page views and replies...I'm shooting a kids makeup (hair and makeup) party today. we'll see how bad the 5dIII sucks arse.
Jun 01, 2013 at 05:14 PM
p.2 #3So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
Sir_Loin wrote:
Are you moaning again? Why don't you just sell you're Canon gear, invest in Nikon then moan in that forum and give us all a break!
Yes, pls complain on the Nikon board!
Are you moaning again? Why don't you just sell you're Canon gear, invest in Nikon then moan in that forum and give us all a break!
Yes, pls complain on the Nikon board!
Jun 01, 2013 at 05:29 PM
p.2 #4So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
You should give up photography... or wait for the 1DxII that will have this sensor construction...
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1216728
Yea, after a few seconds thought, ... you should give up photography and find another field of endevor... Like marriage counselor ...
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1216728
Yea, after a few seconds thought, ... you should give up photography and find another field of endevor... Like marriage counselor ...
Jun 01, 2013 at 05:36 PM
p.2 #5So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
There is NO SUCH THING as a perfect camera. HOWEVER if can learn to live within those limitations, you will much, MUCH better off. I have no experience with the 5D2, but I hear things from several buddies' who shoot with a 5D2. It is easier to over expose a bit and bring down exposure than to under expose and bring up shadows.
And i suspect this may fall on deaf ears. I am super happy with my "old" D700 - but it fits the bill on what I need for now
And i suspect this may fall on deaf ears. I am super happy with my "old" D700 - but it fits the bill on what I need for now
Jun 01, 2013 at 05:38 PM
p.2 #6So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
Photo 101
ETTR - Expose...To...The...Right
ETTR - Expose...To...The...Right
Jun 01, 2013 at 05:58 PM
p.2 #7So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
Many may be tired of form's complaining but I feel his frustrations are sincere and he's not trying to go out of his way to be inflammatory. I think if he could've worked out the focusing issues on his D800 and accepted the gaps in Nikon's lens lineup he would've wound up very happy with that body.
Jun 01, 2013 at 06:09 PM
p.2 #8So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
snapsy wrote:
Many may be tired of form's complaining but I feel his frustrations are sincere and he's not trying to go out of his way to be inflammatory. I think if he could've worked out the focusing issues on his D800 and accepted the gaps in Nikon's lens lineup he would've wound up very happy with that body.
Point well made, Adam, and I don't doubt the sincerity of form's disappointments at all. However, he's found both Nikon and Canon's latest and best critically deficient, while many others with less talent than him have produced perfectly acceptable and wonderful images. I am not a shrink and didn't stay at a holiday inn express, but maybe form is a perfectionist and he expects perfection out of his equipment. At this time, the perfect camera as defined by form likely doesn't exist. I hope he finds a workable solution that satisfies him. He's been a good sport throughout these threads, and I respect him for that. Nonetheless, I, for one, could do with less hyperbole and venting/ranting. Apologies if I've totally misread his intentions on posting, but it's just how it comes across to me.
Many may be tired of form's complaining but I feel his frustrations are sincere and he's not trying to go out of his way to be inflammatory. I think if he could've worked out the focusing issues on his D800 and accepted the gaps in Nikon's lens lineup he would've wound up very happy with that body.
Point well made, Adam, and I don't doubt the sincerity of form's disappointments at all. However, he's found both Nikon and Canon's latest and best critically deficient, while many others with less talent than him have produced perfectly acceptable and wonderful images. I am not a shrink and didn't stay at a holiday inn express, but maybe form is a perfectionist and he expects perfection out of his equipment. At this time, the perfect camera as defined by form likely doesn't exist. I hope he finds a workable solution that satisfies him. He's been a good sport throughout these threads, and I respect him for that. Nonetheless, I, for one, could do with less hyperbole and venting/ranting. Apologies if I've totally misread his intentions on posting, but it's just how it comes across to me.
Jun 01, 2013 at 06:26 PM
p.2 #9So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
Unless I've missed something, FM is a meeting place, a learning place, a sharing place, where hopefully each of us, hobbyist and/or pro, benefit from those of experience, of more refined eye/skill.
What I find most 'offensive'; excessive word, is a discussion, bashing in this case, without a single image to examine, ponder. There is simply nothing here but an endless over blown rant...repeated, again and again.
At least present an image, along with some PP info, isolate the problem areas, that way those in the know could help, assist with a possible solution...so that we all may learn...give back.
What I find most 'offensive'; excessive word, is a discussion, bashing in this case, without a single image to examine, ponder. There is simply nothing here but an endless over blown rant...repeated, again and again.
At least present an image, along with some PP info, isolate the problem areas, that way those in the know could help, assist with a possible solution...so that we all may learn...give back.
Jun 01, 2013 at 06:52 PM
p.2 #10So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
Just use Lightroom to push the blacks back down so there is no noise. Simple button slide if your photos are decent to begin with. You can use the brush if you are really pushing the exposure.
Jun 01, 2013 at 08:36 PM
p.2 #11So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
snapsy wrote:
Many may be tired of form's complaining but I feel his frustrations are sincere and he's not trying to go out of his way to be inflammatory. I think if he could've worked out the focusing issues on his D800 and accepted the gaps in Nikon's lens lineup he would've wound up very happy with that body.
The two traits of the D800 were focusing niggles and the bokeh I didn't like as much. After all this, I am thinking the bokeh may be tolerable after all...just because that dynamic range is so damned good. Also, if I were to compare side by side the D800 vs the 5d3 for tracking in low light with center point...I'm about 90% sure the D800 would win.
As it was, for tonight's wedding I used my 5d2 and 5d3 side by side to track dancing subjects in medium and low light. The end result was...both tracked very similarly in AI servo. EVEN WITH OUTER POINTS (yes I used the 5d2's outer points fairly successfully tonight for tracking dancing subjects). And I also discovered/pinpointed something I didn't like about the 5d3's focus behavior: In dark using One-Shot, with AF assist lamp from on-camera flash, it takes an extremely...extremely...long time to lock focus. Like, as long as the 5d2 takes with NO af assist beam to lock in similar light. The problem is, it does it in little steps...and in those steps, it's not accurate at all until the last step...several seconds later. However, my 5d2, with AF assist, locks FASTER in the dark because, with the af assist beam, it doesn't have any trouble locking quickly (and accurately). For the record, this is with the latest 5d3 firmware. This sucks.
mitesh wrote:
Point well made, Adam, and I don't doubt the sincerity of form's disappointments at all. However, he's found both Nikon and Canon's latest and best critically deficient, while many others with less talent than him have produced perfectly acceptable and wonderful images. I am not a shrink and didn't stay at a holiday inn express, but maybe form is a perfectionist and he expects perfection out of his equipment. At this time, the perfect camera as defined by form likely doesn't exist. I hope he finds a workable solution that satisfies him. He's been a good sport throughout these threads,...Show more →
It's not that they are critically deficient, as I have shot with more comparatively deficient camera bodies successfully for years...BUT the things I personally want improved most...are things that I find are often NOT improved so much as claimed by manufacturer and fans...with the exception of the D800's incredible dynamic range. That was the one and only true, sincere, magnificent improvement I have seen in a camera since...the 5d2 came out and offered 1-2 stops better noise handling than the 5d1 while also having higher resolution.
I am a perfectionist, but I still buy new stuff because I think they will have some benefit over what I currently use. Right now the 5d3's primary benefit is the silent shutter and having more outer cross-type points, but there really aren't any others for me. The D800...was the killer dynamic range, but I wasn't thrilled with the AF-S or AF-C accuracy in some relatively unchallenging situations and found some possible problems with close vs. distant focusing, especially with fast lenses.
Based on my experience with the 5d3...I don't really see much/any need to own more than one for a very, very long time. It's not worlds better for me, it's only marginally better and only under certain circumstances. The shadow noise...is still REALLY bad. Compared to the D800/D600/D7000/D4...whose shadow noise are all really good.
That's why I really, really hope that the next Canon sensor is actually really good in shadow noise...because otherwise I really am tempted to get another D800. I can't get a D600 because they truncated too many features important to me (pc sync port is absolute necessity, 1/8000 sec is extremely important to me with fast lenses, and that AF system being borrowed from the D7000...). Same for the 6D, I couldn't consider it because it lacks the first two features I mentioned.
Many may be tired of form's complaining but I feel his frustrations are sincere and he's not trying to go out of his way to be inflammatory. I think if he could've worked out the focusing issues on his D800 and accepted the gaps in Nikon's lens lineup he would've wound up very happy with that body.
The two traits of the D800 were focusing niggles and the bokeh I didn't like as much. After all this, I am thinking the bokeh may be tolerable after all...just because that dynamic range is so damned good. Also, if I were to compare side by side the D800 vs the 5d3 for tracking in low light with center point...I'm about 90% sure the D800 would win.
As it was, for tonight's wedding I used my 5d2 and 5d3 side by side to track dancing subjects in medium and low light. The end result was...both tracked very similarly in AI servo. EVEN WITH OUTER POINTS (yes I used the 5d2's outer points fairly successfully tonight for tracking dancing subjects). And I also discovered/pinpointed something I didn't like about the 5d3's focus behavior: In dark using One-Shot, with AF assist lamp from on-camera flash, it takes an extremely...extremely...long time to lock focus. Like, as long as the 5d2 takes with NO af assist beam to lock in similar light. The problem is, it does it in little steps...and in those steps, it's not accurate at all until the last step...several seconds later. However, my 5d2, with AF assist, locks FASTER in the dark because, with the af assist beam, it doesn't have any trouble locking quickly (and accurately). For the record, this is with the latest 5d3 firmware. This sucks.
mitesh wrote:
Point well made, Adam, and I don't doubt the sincerity of form's disappointments at all. However, he's found both Nikon and Canon's latest and best critically deficient, while many others with less talent than him have produced perfectly acceptable and wonderful images. I am not a shrink and didn't stay at a holiday inn express, but maybe form is a perfectionist and he expects perfection out of his equipment. At this time, the perfect camera as defined by form likely doesn't exist. I hope he finds a workable solution that satisfies him. He's been a good sport throughout these threads,...Show more →
It's not that they are critically deficient, as I have shot with more comparatively deficient camera bodies successfully for years...BUT the things I personally want improved most...are things that I find are often NOT improved so much as claimed by manufacturer and fans...with the exception of the D800's incredible dynamic range. That was the one and only true, sincere, magnificent improvement I have seen in a camera since...the 5d2 came out and offered 1-2 stops better noise handling than the 5d1 while also having higher resolution.
I am a perfectionist, but I still buy new stuff because I think they will have some benefit over what I currently use. Right now the 5d3's primary benefit is the silent shutter and having more outer cross-type points, but there really aren't any others for me. The D800...was the killer dynamic range, but I wasn't thrilled with the AF-S or AF-C accuracy in some relatively unchallenging situations and found some possible problems with close vs. distant focusing, especially with fast lenses.
Based on my experience with the 5d3...I don't really see much/any need to own more than one for a very, very long time. It's not worlds better for me, it's only marginally better and only under certain circumstances. The shadow noise...is still REALLY bad. Compared to the D800/D600/D7000/D4...whose shadow noise are all really good.
That's why I really, really hope that the next Canon sensor is actually really good in shadow noise...because otherwise I really am tempted to get another D800. I can't get a D600 because they truncated too many features important to me (pc sync port is absolute necessity, 1/8000 sec is extremely important to me with fast lenses, and that AF system being borrowed from the D7000...). Same for the 6D, I couldn't consider it because it lacks the first two features I mentioned.
Jun 02, 2013 at 01:48 AM
p.2 #12So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
Hopefully the next gen sensors will fix it. Hopefully the rumors of a next gen coming are even true.
At least in the meantime ML unlocked RAW video so 5D3 is easily the best DSLR for video (1DX is pretty good though in APS-C video mode and the files are quick and easy to use). Nothing else comes close.
At least in the meantime ML unlocked RAW video so 5D3 is easily the best DSLR for video (1DX is pretty good though in APS-C video mode and the files are quick and easy to use). Nothing else comes close.
Jun 02, 2013 at 01:51 AM
p.2 #13So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
form wrote:
The two traits of the D800 were focusing niggles and the bokeh I didn't like as much. After all this, I am thinking the bokeh may be tolerable after all...just because that dynamic range is so damned good. Also, if I were to compare side by side the D800 vs the 5d3 for tracking in low light with center point...I'm about 90% sure the D800 would win.
As it was, for tonight's wedding I used my 5d2 and 5d3 side by side to track dancing subjects in medium and low light. The end result was...both tracked very similarly in AI...Show more →
Just do us all a favour and go over to the Nikon forum and start rubbishing Canon there instead of here.
Your persistent whining just shows up your lack of technique and if the Nikons suit you better go and bloody use them.
snapsy wrote
Many may be tired of form's complaining but I feel his frustrations are sincere and he's not trying to go out of his way to be inflammatory. I think if he could've worked out the focusing issues on his D800 and accepted the gaps in Nikon's lens lineup he would've wound up very happy with that body.As it was, for tonight's wedding I used my 5d2 and 5d3 side by side to track dancing subjects in medium and low light. The end result was...both tracked very similarly in AI...Show more →
mitesh wrote
Point well made, Adam, and I don't doubt the sincerity of form's disappointments at all. However, he's found both Nikon and Canon's latest and best critically deficient, while many others with less talent than him have produced perfectly acceptable and wonderful images. I am not a shrink and didn't stay at a holiday inn express, but maybe form is a perfectionist and he expects perfection out of his equipment. At this time, the perfect camera as defined by form likely doesn't exist. I hope he finds a workable solution that satisfies him. He's been a good sport throughout these threads, and I respect him for that. Nonetheless, I, for one, could do with less hyperbole and venting/ranting. Apologies if I've totally misread his intentions on posting, but it's just how it comes across to me.Just do us all a favour and go over to the Nikon forum and start rubbishing Canon there instead of here.
Your persistent whining just shows up your lack of technique and if the Nikons suit you better go and bloody use them.
Jun 02, 2013 at 01:59 AM
p.2 #15So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
To back up my dynamic range claims, I bring forth this example, @ ISO100:
http://www.joeyallenphoto.com/T&K-001sm.jpg
Closeup:
http://www.joeyallenphoto.com/T&K-001c.jpg
In this situation, dynamic range exceeded the ability of the sensor to gather everything...just on the face and clothing combined alone, to say nothing of the bright background. The shadows have been boosted 2 stops, LR color noise reduction of 25 (default). To make it tolerable in the suit I have to boost it up to 70+. if I had shot the identical image with a D800...the noise would simply not be there. I would not have to obliterate detail to make the image less noisy.
This isn't a wonderful image, but she's got a good smile and I'm going to give it to the client. I would like for that nasty stuff on his suit to not be there, but on a contrasty LCD screen like my second display, even 100% color NR does not remove the huge green/red splotches.
Example 2:
http://www.joeyallenphoto.com/T&K-002sm.jpg
Closeup:
http://www.joeyallenphoto.com/T&K-002c.jpg
This shot is a reject because I have others that are exposed correctly. It's also not the main situation where I have a dynamic range issue...because everything here is all lit by the same source without any extra shadows of importance. The reason I show this example is because it's an ISO200 image with the 5d3 given 2 stops of exposure boosting in LR and no other editing. 25 color NR default...and the shadows are very, very noisy, enough to show in a print of medium size easily. Will people notice it? Not likely since the main subjects are not so dark. It will also not likely get printed at all, or will just be a 4x6 or smaller in an album. But the sample shows the shadow noise...and it's bad. The chroma is more bothersome now than the luminance to me.
Edited on Jun 02, 2013 at 02:37 AM · View previous versions
http://www.joeyallenphoto.com/T&K-001sm.jpg
Closeup:
http://www.joeyallenphoto.com/T&K-001c.jpg
In this situation, dynamic range exceeded the ability of the sensor to gather everything...just on the face and clothing combined alone, to say nothing of the bright background. The shadows have been boosted 2 stops, LR color noise reduction of 25 (default). To make it tolerable in the suit I have to boost it up to 70+. if I had shot the identical image with a D800...the noise would simply not be there. I would not have to obliterate detail to make the image less noisy.
This isn't a wonderful image, but she's got a good smile and I'm going to give it to the client. I would like for that nasty stuff on his suit to not be there, but on a contrasty LCD screen like my second display, even 100% color NR does not remove the huge green/red splotches.
Example 2:
http://www.joeyallenphoto.com/T&K-002sm.jpg
Closeup:
http://www.joeyallenphoto.com/T&K-002c.jpg
This shot is a reject because I have others that are exposed correctly. It's also not the main situation where I have a dynamic range issue...because everything here is all lit by the same source without any extra shadows of importance. The reason I show this example is because it's an ISO200 image with the 5d3 given 2 stops of exposure boosting in LR and no other editing. 25 color NR default...and the shadows are very, very noisy, enough to show in a print of medium size easily. Will people notice it? Not likely since the main subjects are not so dark. It will also not likely get printed at all, or will just be a 4x6 or smaller in an album. But the sample shows the shadow noise...and it's bad. The chroma is more bothersome now than the luminance to me.
Edited on Jun 02, 2013 at 02:37 AM · View previous versions
Jun 02, 2013 at 02:19 AM
p.2 #16So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
form wrote:
In this situation, dynamic range exceeded the ability of the sensor to gather everything...just on the face and clothing combined alone, to say nothing of the bright background. The shadows have been boosted 2 stops, LR color noise reduction of 25 (default). To make it tolerable in the suit I have to boost it up to 70+. if I had shot the identical image with a D800...the noise would simply not be there. I would not have to obliterate detail to make the image less noisy.
So why don't you use a D800 then
You buy a camera that you have been complaining about every week and every month here !! And you know a lower priced D800 is better for you.
And don't come with your usual "I can't change because I have Canon lenses" if that's the case: then stop whine.........
In this situation, dynamic range exceeded the ability of the sensor to gather everything...just on the face and clothing combined alone, to say nothing of the bright background. The shadows have been boosted 2 stops, LR color noise reduction of 25 (default). To make it tolerable in the suit I have to boost it up to 70+. if I had shot the identical image with a D800...the noise would simply not be there. I would not have to obliterate detail to make the image less noisy.
So why don't you use a D800 then
You buy a camera that you have been complaining about every week and every month here !! And you know a lower priced D800 is better for you.And don't come with your usual "I can't change because I have Canon lenses" if that's the case: then stop whine.........
Jun 02, 2013 at 02:27 AM
p.2 #17So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
snapsy wrote:
Many may be tired of form's complaining but I feel his frustrations are sincere and he's not trying to go out of his way to be inflammatory. I think if he could've worked out the focusing issues on his D800 and accepted the gaps in Nikon's lens lineup he would've wound up very happy with that body.
No way he would be happy with ANY body.
Many may be tired of form's complaining but I feel his frustrations are sincere and he's not trying to go out of his way to be inflammatory. I think if he could've worked out the focusing issues on his D800 and accepted the gaps in Nikon's lens lineup he would've wound up very happy with that body.
No way he would be happy with ANY body.
Jun 02, 2013 at 02:29 AM
p.2 #18So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
It's not that I HAVE canon lenses...but that I LIKE canon lenses and how they render. I also prefer canon sensor color.
Jun 02, 2013 at 02:38 AM
p.2 #19So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
Well, to be contradictory:
Have a look at his website. He is clearly a very good photographer, and having looked at his work I think it is a little lazy just to rant back "LEARN SOME SKILLS". Looks like he is accomplished to me which may just give us room to pause and wonder if some photographers legitimately need higher DR. What I would say to the OP though is that if the Nikon would bring him nearer to the technical perfection he is not getting at present, then it might well be a good idea to change brands. Its just not worth the strain on the arteries constantly using stuff for work that you don't like. I know you like Canon glass, but modern Nikon glass is fantastic too. In practice, no difference (apart from the 85L of course)
Have a look at his website. He is clearly a very good photographer, and having looked at his work I think it is a little lazy just to rant back "LEARN SOME SKILLS". Looks like he is accomplished to me which may just give us room to pause and wonder if some photographers legitimately need higher DR. What I would say to the OP though is that if the Nikon would bring him nearer to the technical perfection he is not getting at present, then it might well be a good idea to change brands. Its just not worth the strain on the arteries constantly using stuff for work that you don't like. I know you like Canon glass, but modern Nikon glass is fantastic too. In practice, no difference (apart from the 85L of course)
Jun 02, 2013 at 02:42 AM
p.2 #20So, Uh...Canon shadow noise?
85L is golden because of the bokeh for me...and f/1.2. 50L is nice but I could live without 50mm if I had to. 35L is very valuable to me because it focuses FAST and I like the rendering. 24L...neh, I could go either way with that. And I don't like the corners of the 16-35, but it's very reliable...and the 70-200, any system should give similar function for that except that Nikon has a focus breathing issue...making the lens shorter than it should be at some distances I might use it for.
Since I'm mostly a 35/85 user, those lenses are most important to me. However, I didn't have great luck (same with two copies) with the 35 f/1.4g, and I didn't like the 85 f/1.8g's bokeh rendering at all...nor its focus inconsistency I noted most at 10-20 feet. I thought about the 85 f/1.4g, but at the time it seemed a better idea just to go back to lenses I enjoy and upgrade the autofocus system...so I sold the D800 and got a 5d3. The 5d3's outer points are probably better in good light, I should think...but in dim light I suspect the D800 focuses better in most cases. I can't test them since I sold the D800...but I didn't like how SLOW the 35 f/1.4g focused, because it cost me some photos of the type I was able to get with the 35L's lightning-fast focusing. However, the 5d3 has stripped that lightning-fast focusing boon away in dim light because it focuses like a slug (with AF assist), taking longer to do what my 5d2 did much faster in the same situation. Yes I updated with the firmware said to resolve that problem, but it's still very slow.
I have said before...I want a Nikon sensor with Canon lenses...and Canon live view...and Canon scroll wheel...so in fact I prefer Canon ergonomics, and Canon lenses, but I prefer Nikon sensors.
I am a working photographer, neither good nor horrible IMO. Just okay, there are many better than myself in my field and they are also part of my personal standard...but that's for a different thread/forum.
Since I'm mostly a 35/85 user, those lenses are most important to me. However, I didn't have great luck (same with two copies) with the 35 f/1.4g, and I didn't like the 85 f/1.8g's bokeh rendering at all...nor its focus inconsistency I noted most at 10-20 feet. I thought about the 85 f/1.4g, but at the time it seemed a better idea just to go back to lenses I enjoy and upgrade the autofocus system...so I sold the D800 and got a 5d3. The 5d3's outer points are probably better in good light, I should think...but in dim light I suspect the D800 focuses better in most cases. I can't test them since I sold the D800...but I didn't like how SLOW the 35 f/1.4g focused, because it cost me some photos of the type I was able to get with the 35L's lightning-fast focusing. However, the 5d3 has stripped that lightning-fast focusing boon away in dim light because it focuses like a slug (with AF assist), taking longer to do what my 5d2 did much faster in the same situation. Yes I updated with the firmware said to resolve that problem, but it's still very slow.
I have said before...I want a Nikon sensor with Canon lenses...and Canon live view...and Canon scroll wheel...so in fact I prefer Canon ergonomics, and Canon lenses, but I prefer Nikon sensors.
I am a working photographer, neither good nor horrible IMO. Just okay, there are many better than myself in my field and they are also part of my personal standard...but that's for a different thread/forum.
Jun 02, 2013 at 03:00 AM