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p.11 #1 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


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:-)

Today's photo was from a couple weeks ago. It usually takes me between days and months for the process to move from capture to final image. That said, I've been posting a photograph per day for something between four and five years now.

Dan

My aha moment... thanks...
May 23, 2013 at 10:10 PM
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p.11 #2 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


jeremy_clay wrote:
Maybe it's time to give Nikon a whirl? I personnally have a hard time differentiating Fuji from Nikon from Canon, I just happened to buy Canon first. In today's age, you can make any file look like any other file anyways, so perhaps Nikon's equally great offerings will be to your needs.

I think the OP has already tried and rejected that route. Check his posting history for the dozens of threads he has started on similar topics.
May 23, 2013 at 10:13 PM
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p.11 #3 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


jctriguy wrote:
I think the OP has already tried and rejected that route. Check his posting history for the dozens of threads he has started on similar topics.

Ah, so OP just likes to bitch, as if neither of these two fabulous manufacturers makes equipment good enough for him. It's amazing how many people make such spectacular photos out of such substandard equipment....

ROTFLMFAO
May 23, 2013 at 11:37 PM
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p.11 #4 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


artd wrote:
Again, I'm not saying the AF on the 5DIII isn't an improvement. But my view is that the unusability of the 5DII AF tends to get exaggerated on internet forums. Just trying to keep it in perspective



This +1. Couldn't agree more.



May 24, 2013 at 12:30 AM
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p.11 #5 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


artd wrote:
Again, I'm not saying the AF on the 5DIII isn't an improvement. But my view is that the unusability of the 5DII AF tends to get exaggerated on internet forums. Just trying to keep it in perspective




For your usage.

For my usage which is what matters to me, it was a night and day difference in performance of AF. I only used my 5D II in an emergency for action work. Sure it could be used but the keeper rate is what is important and that was patently lower than my other cameras let alone 5D III. SO yes I could come away with some excellent shots, but out of say 100 you might get 30 keepers, as apposed to 90 on the 5D III. Of course people post a single great shot from the 5D II and that's supposed to be proof the AF system was perfectly good for action work too. Also combine that with it's glacial frame rate and it was hard to consistently hit the peak of the action.
May 24, 2013 at 01:08 AM
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p.11 #6 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Pixel Perfect wrote:
For your usage.

For my usage which is what matters to me, it was a night and day difference in performance of AF. I only used my 5D II in an emergency for action work. Sure it could be used but the keeper rate is what is important and that was patently lower than my other cameras let alone 5D III. SO yes I could come away with some excellent shots, but out of say 100 you might get 30 keepers, as apposed to 90 on the 5D III. Of course people post a single great shot from the...Show more →


I read about this AA filter, its on 5DIII right, does it make the shots kind of mushy at high ISOs like 7Ds?
May 24, 2013 at 06:33 AM
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p.11 #7 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


If people can't take great photos with a 5DMKII they're doing something wrong.
May 24, 2013 at 07:54 AM
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p.11 #8 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


For how long is this silly thread going to persist? Isn't there a moderator somewhere who can put it out of its misery? Please?

John
May 24, 2013 at 01:03 PM
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p.11 #9 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


BluesWest wrote:
For how long is this silly thread going to persist? Isn't there a moderator somewhere who can put it out of its misery? Please?

John



yeah but the OP will only go and start another one . He has plenty of past 'FORM' for it .


May 24, 2013 at 01:05 PM
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p.11 #10 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Sigh, if I had the money I would love a 5D3 for its great AF with outer points. IQ wise doubt there is any real difference between them in most situations, so I am happy to soldier on with my 5D2.

Unless you are a pro shooting social photography like weddings for a living (and need the best AF) I suspect that there is little practical difference between the 5D2 and 5D3. If you want a step change in IQ you might hold on for the 5D4.
May 24, 2013 at 02:12 PM
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p.11 #11 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


David Baldwin wrote:
Unless you are a pro shooting social photography like weddings for a living (and need the best AF) I suspect that there is little practical difference between the 5D2 and 5D3.


I'd say you are right.

The 5D2 feels a bit old in terms of features and layout and the 5D3 has some really useful stuff (to me) like a two-way level and dual cards but honestly, on a tripod at under 1600 ISO on a subject that isn't moving fast you wouldn't tell the difference in the results. The 5D3 AF is really the kicker.

I bought a 5D3 beacuse I could afford it on my business and it's almost the perfect camera, but really the 5D2 is still very very good.
May 24, 2013 at 02:17 PM
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p.11 #12 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


David Baldwin wrote:
Sigh, if I had the money I would love a 5D3 for its great AF with outer points. IQ wise doubt there is any real difference between them in most situations, so I am happy to soldier on with my 5D2.

Unless you are a pro shooting social photography like weddings for a living (and need the best AF) I suspect that there is little practical difference between the 5D2 and 5D3. If you want a step change in IQ you might hold on for the 5D4.



The biggest reason for me is the write at once dual card slots. Biggest reason besides the improved handling (feel), AF, and silent shutter, I mean.
May 24, 2013 at 02:27 PM
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p.11 #13 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


At ISO 100 and 200, I can't tell any differences between my 1DsMkII and 1DX files.
May 24, 2013 at 02:28 PM
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p.11 #14 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


I have a 5D3 and a 5D2. In good light, I prefer the 5D2. In bad light, I prefer the 5D3 but I spend way too much time trying to locate and adjust the focus point. I really like how I can move the focus point with the thumb rocker button, but I really dislike how the focus points are displayed. Literally, it seems like 70% of my eye-in-the-viewfinder time is spent messing with focus points and it shouldn't be like that.


May 24, 2013 at 02:28 PM
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p.11 #15 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


David Baldwin wrote:
Unless you are a pro shooting social photography like weddings for a living (and need the best AF) I suspect that there is little practical difference between the 5D2 and 5D3. If you want a step change in IQ you might hold on for the 5D4.



With respect, you're projecting your needs/wants/budget onto others. The 5d2 was a bit frustrating for wildlife, especially birds in flight. The autofocus, combined with the slow burst rate, was just a struggle.

If birds/wildlife/sports constitute a significant part of what one does, the 5d3 is a very, very significant improvement over the 5d2. As a tool (which is all a camera is).

If better AF, and higher burst rate, doesn't matter to you, there's little reason to upgrade, IMO (assuming that $2000 is a significant hurdle to you).

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May 24, 2013 at 03:26 PM
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p.11 #16 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


StarNut wrote:
If better AF, and higher burst rate, doesn't matter to you, there's little reason to upgrade, IMO (assuming that $2000 is significant hurdle to you).


or unless you also care about video, which is considerably, vastly better on the 5D3
May 24, 2013 at 03:54 PM
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p.11 #17 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


skibum5 wrote:
or unless you also care about video, which is considerably, vastly better on the 5D3



Ok; there's a perfect illustration of what I've been saying--each tool should be evaluated in the context of one's needs, wants and budget.

I don't use video, so I didn't even know that the 5d3 is better at that than was the 5d2. But that could be a very significant factor for one's decision to upgrade.

All tools are an attempt to optimize features and price, with the plan to fill a demand. If a particular tool doesn't fit your needs, wants and/or budget, it doesn't matter how "good" it is, it isn't for you. Conversely, if it fits right in the wheelhouse of your needs/wants/budget, it's a perfect tool for you.

No tool appears to be good enough for some people; conversely, some people know that the tool is useful for making a job easier, but that it's the user that determines how good the final product is. I'm old enough to remember when people actually captured BIF with manual focus, manual exposure cameras; imagine that!
May 24, 2013 at 04:18 PM
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p.11 #18 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Pixel Perfect wrote:
For your usage.

For my usage which is what matters to me, it was a night and day difference in performance of AF. I only used my 5D II in an emergency for action work. Sure it could be used but the keeper rate is what is important and that was patently lower than my other cameras let alone 5D III. SO yes I could come away with some excellent shots, but out of say 100 you might get 30 keepers, as apposed to 90 on the 5D III. Of course people post a single great shot from the...Show more →
True. Obvsiously I can't speak for your usage. But like I said, I'm just trying to provide some perspective.

In my usage, I find my keeper rate to be way more than 30%. On that photoshoot I mentioned, I probably shot something like 300 frames and I can only recall finding a missed focus maybe a dozen or so times.

Again, I agree the 5DIII has better AF. But that doesn't make the 5DII "bad" and I've not found it to be a limiting factor for me even in low light situations. If I was a sports photographer instead, I might think differently. (But then again, if I was a sports photographer I'd be using a 1DX )
May 24, 2013 at 04:36 PM
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p.11 #19 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


With respect, you're projecting your needs/wants/budget onto others.

No, I clearly pointed out that the 5D3 has the better AF, if you need it the 5D3 is better. If you don't need the better AF then the 5D2 is nearly as good. Nothing to do with my needs/wants/budget.


May 24, 2013 at 04:50 PM
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p.11 #20 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Wow, 11 pages...

I'll add a bit, just because...with regards to video, there are issues/limitations with DSLRs that are unavoidable, and if someone is looking to create 'quality' projects you are simply better off with a camcorder; 'rolling shutter' is one big issue, aliasing/moire some others.

However, the DSLR for video has huge pluses as well, work around the above issues and you have a low cost, quite versatile solution for video purposes. Several professionals are using the 5D2 and 5D3 for video projects and it's crystal clear the 5D3 offers many features that better the 5D2.

Aliasing/moire are managed much better with the 5D3, when sharpening video the 5D3 is amazing, making things pop vs with the 5D2 images that at times fall apart as you push it harder/sharper. Higher ISO image quality is a no-brainer with the 5D3 as well. Check out Phillip Bloom's images/videos/reviews if you are in doubt; Canon and Nikon gear.

Even the 6D has IQ that seems just a bit better at higher ISO's then the 5D3, but it's moire is much worse like the 5D2 and Nikon's D800s. Fortunately a 3rd party vendor sells an anti-aliasing/moire filter for these bodies; it's four to five hundred dollars depending on body.

For many video is a 'BIG' deal and with Magic Lantern's finding, product, it enables many a cheaper more cost effective vehicle into video/film making.

As we know with stills shooting there simply is no replacement for continued experience, the more you shoot the better you can get. As has been said, your use, needs and budget all play a key in the decision process. I'd add goals, present and future to that list as well. I tend to upgrade my bodies on a five year average, I'm not a pro, nor is there a unlimited budget.

I do purchase with goals in mind, sometimes budget seriously dictates and I must wait, buy used or refurbished. A new 6D for me looks nearly perfect, getting the kit and the 3rd party filter are the same price as a refurbished 5D3 body.

This 6D kit meets most of my needs, except one glaring one that has until late been the domain of 1D bodies, namely AF at f8, not to mention raw HDMI out. Want vs. need is a difficult choice, as of today if I purchase thru CLP the 5D3 body will cost less then $2500, and I get AF at F8 without the need to buy a 3rd party filter...the trade off is no 24-105L to fill in my f4L trinity of zooms...it's a tough call, so I wait, ponder, loose time shooting FF...gain more experience in stills n video shooting with a 40D and G12, and perhaps deeper insight into what I really need, can be happy with

'Better' is such a vague concept, if you don't have set goals, specific needs, it can be even more vague and ego/lust/want become focus. Step back a bit, slow it down...I wonder if my brain just heard that, understands...

Having shot croppers and point-n-shoots only, no doubt any Canon FF body will provide a
Jerry
May 24, 2013 at 05:23 PM
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