grahamb3 wrote:
According to Adobe, more than 500,00 have signed up for the creative cloud subscription plan. It may not be the right option for everyone, but it's not the end of the world.
Right, but it might be the end of Adobe. By my estimate, inaccurate as it may be, the positive reactions to this are outnumbered by as much as 20:1. So many people are angry now that it may give competitors the boost they needed to grow out from Adobe's shadow. It will be very interesting to watch where this goes.
Maybe Google will step in like they did with NIk. At least for now it was great for the consumer. Nik had great plug-ins but I was getting tired of the crazy pricing. If Google can offer Adobe some competition, this CC thing is dead.
philip_pj wrote:
Tariq, the Aust Adobe website home page makes it very hard to actually find any information on Photoshop as they are trying to roll it into the CS suite these days - the take out message is that they are interested in selling the 'CC' to 'creative professionals' such as graphic designers, illustrators etc. - not photographers. See here: http://www.adobe.com/au/ http://www.adobe.com/au/products/photoshop.html
I guess they pretty much admit this in the DpReview interview here:
I think it more likely the "added functionality" for the CC version of LR would involve cloud features, similar to those outlined in the Adobe presentation. There's also the possibility new features would be automatically updated to the CC version of LR, while the standalone LR user would have to wait for the next (full) version to see the new features.
That is it for me . I am not starting to pay so much a month at my time of life they can stuff it were the sun don't shine. If we all walk away from CS for a while they would soon have to rethink after all WE pay there wages.
I have a free LR 4.4 that came with my M9 and a PSE 11 that I purchased because I felt uncomfortable with my dependency on LR for the reasons mentioned by others earlier. I am now happy to realize it was a very good decision.
Lee Saxon wrote:
There are clear upsides. For instance, new features can go out to customers as soon as they're ready rather than gathering dust until the next upgrade cycle release date.
Also, where's all this "Adobe greed" stuff coming from? Photoshop CS was $700, plus whatever the upgrade price was every 18 months if you wanted ACR support for the latest cameras. Now the entire product line is $600/year. Seems like less to me. *shrug*
Adobe's upgrades are MASSIVE compared to Autodesk's and their "upgrade version" discount is MUCH larger. Things could be much worse.
I agree with the rest of your post, though.
600$/year vs 700$ initial purchase is not less. You are looking at it wrong.
I bought CS4 at the end of 2008 or so on sale.
I can still use it, and I didn't pay anything since I bought it. I will be able to continue using it for 10 more years if I wanted to.
That means I payed 600$ or so over the length of 4 years. 150$/year.
If I was to subscribe, I would pay 960$ for those same 4 years just for photoshop. That is over 6 times the prices?
And if I stopped paying? No more photoshop vs still having photoshop and the price over years is going down even more.
Lee Saxon wrote:
There are clear upsides. For instance, new features can go out to customers as soon as they're ready rather than gathering dust until the next upgrade cycle release date.
Also, where's all this "Adobe greed" stuff coming from? Photoshop CS was $700, plus whatever the upgrade price was every 18 months if you wanted ACR support for the latest cameras. Now the entire product line is $600/year. Seems like less to me. *shrug*
Yes, there are two kinds of customers the new scheme makes sense for, as long as we ignore the part where as soon as you stop you lose everything: pros who need the suite for their work, or at least several apps, and new customers.
The thing which gets to me is how badly they are shafting faithful customers in the mid-price range. People like me who have upgraded every two versions or so are just getting reamed. And we lose everything if at some point we don't need the newest any longer.
Just a raw deal.
And to be honest, I don't get the whole $50/month vs. $20/month thing (not that I think we would get these quite nice prices in Europe, typically Adobe almost doubles prices here): Is one app worth 40% as much as all the apps? Why don't they make it a straight division? That would fix the part where the single-app user on the upgrade cycle is getting stiffed.
If they would then allow us to keep the latest version when unsubscribing, then I might even subscribe.
carstenw wrote:
Please do something not nice to your brother and nephew.
I have asked where we can file or complaints, but no answer yet. I do know that the decision to go all cloud was based on how little resistantace and complaints they had received so far. Our best course of action is not to buy it, they will not continue it if the cannot sell it.
I have CS5 and now think I better upgrade to CS6. However, I cannot find any link on Adobe where I can buy an upgrade to CS6 for students/teachers. Anyone know where to find it??
Upgrading to CS6 is 200 dollar, whereas CS6 for students/teachers is 350 dollar, but I cannot find any upgrade option for students/teachers. Does not make sense that I have to pay more just because I am a student/teacher?? (When I log in to Adobe, only student/teacher prices are shown to me).
I am worried that we don't represent a sizeable chunk of their market. I mean, how does Adobe get the idea that Photoshop is not aimed at photographers? What do they think the photo part of the name means?
I have CS5 and now think I better upgrade to CS6. However, I cannot find any link on Adobe where I can buy an upgrade to CS6 for students/teachers. Anyone know where to find it??
Upgrading to CS6 is 200 dollar, whereas CS6 for students/teachers is 350 dollar, but I cannot find any upgrade option for students/teachers. Does not make sense that I have to pay more just because I am a student/teacher?? (When I log in to Adobe, only student/teacher prices are shown to me).
It looks like it is not possible to purchase or upgrade to CS6 in any fashion anymore.
Brilliant. They would have got my money for an upgrade to Photoshop CS6. Now they get nothing from me.
eyal.ma wrote:
600$/year vs 700$ initial purchase is not less. You are looking at it wrong.
I bought CS4 at the end of 2008 or so on sale.
I can still use it, and I didn't pay anything since I bought it. I will be able to continue using it for 10 more years if I wanted to.
That means I payed 600$ or so over the length of 4 years. 150$/year.
If I was to subscribe, I would pay 960$ for those same 4 years just for photoshop. That is over 6 times the prices?
And if I stopped paying? No more photoshop vs still having photoshop and the price over years is going down even more.
Theoretically you can keep using it for 10 more years, but that's completely unrealistic. Already a few hundred dollars will get you better image quality than the finest, most expensive camera supported in ACR CS4. In ten more years? Are you kidding? And even if you don't upgrade your camera, the raw processing engine in ACR CS6 is so far superior that it will make a clearly visible difference in the quality of your images (especially color accuracy).
Realistically, buying every other version is the absolute minimum. Anyone who's spent less than $960 on Photoshop over the last four years has left a lot of image quality on the table.
carstenw wrote:
...as long as we ignore the part where as soon as you stop you lose everything
As I alluded to above, that pretty much already happens. Yeah, you get to keep the CS4 disk even if you don't buy CS5 or CS6, but who cares when CS4 is obsolete? I've still got my Photoshop 6 disk, how much will you pay me for it?
Sure, it happens faster with CC, but how much difference does that really make?
Lee Saxon wrote:
In a world where quality matters?
Theoretically you can keep using it for 10 more years, but that's completely unrealistic.
10 years may be pushing it, but it is not completely unrealistic. There are plenty of people still running CS, CS2, or CS3. Those programs are 5 or more years older. No problems running them.
Lee Saxon wrote:
Realistically, buying every other version is the absolute minimum. Anyone who's spent less than $960 on Photoshop over the last four years has left a lot of image quality on the table.
Ah, any chance you could qualify what image quality is left on the table, by failure to upgrade PS in the last 4 years?
