What I don't like about this is that there is no way to get off once you are on, without losing everything, there is no way of saying "Well, I just want what I have now, forever". Once you are on, the only way off is to slide back to CS6. Personally, I am already at CS6, and it sounds like that is where I will be forever.
Another way of saying what I was saying before: I would be okay with this, if you could subscribe one year at a time, and could get off the treadmill any year you want, and keep what you have. Going back to CS6 when you are at CC8, because the features Adobe has decided to bestow upon you with CC9 are lame, does not appeal, and I won't take the risk that Adobe's upgrades will be worth it forever, which is essentially what only-CC forces upon us.
Adobe is moving from the business of sales to the business of credit; they must have been talking to Monsanto.
I wonder whether there will come a point where the option of reverting back to CS6 will not be feasible given lack of backward compatibility...without being naive enough to actually think that backward compatibility will always be there
dasrocket wrote:
Adobe is moving from the business of sales to the business of credit; they must have been talking to Monsanto.
I wonder whether there will come a point where the option of reverting back to CS6 will not be feasible given lack of backward compatibility...without being naive enough to actually think that backward compatibility will always be there
Yep, anyone who thinks their future layered PSD's created with whatever new tools show up in CCx will be compatible with CS6 (or anything else non Adobe) is dreaming. Once you go down that road, you are locked in. It really is a hostage situation for projects and various PSD type files. For that reason, it's a dead end to nowhere to even jump on that train at all.
eyal.ma wrote:
Who ever says its a good thing, is seriously in love of throwing away his money.
It's way worse than your example.
Most of us made the original purchase, up to $2500
And we still have to pay the same monthly payment
as a new user who didn't pay anything because he's been
using the stolen software.
So he's awarded by Adobe with a much lower price to pay now...
My concerns transcend the primitive perennial Adobe rip offs - called upgrades.
I see further privacy erosion, danger of copyrights loss, at least in the longer run, and potential financial loses for those who'll depend on the cloud.
As to the CS6, a new µprocessor, operating system or new camera will make it useless. Don't believe in Adobe commitment to support an old app. which they can't constantly milk. Their loyalty to customers has always been zippo.
It is an early obituary of all products which people bought and used. From now on a user pay his subscription and owns nothing.
Time to look for alternatives. I hope Adobe greed will yield them a big loss.
There are clear upsides. For instance, new features can go out to customers as soon as they're ready rather than gathering dust until the next upgrade cycle release date.
Also, where's all this "Adobe greed" stuff coming from? Photoshop CS was $700, plus whatever the upgrade price was every 18 months if you wanted ACR support for the latest cameras. Now the entire product line is $600/year. Seems like less to me. *shrug*
Lan11 wrote:
...Adobe rip offs - called upgrades...
Adobe's upgrades are MASSIVE compared to Autodesk's and their "upgrade version" discount is MUCH larger. Things could be much worse.
I don't think so...and I think Adobe is slowly starting to realize it. The backpedaling is already starting:
As far as the future of CS applications, in his Adobe MAX keynote, David Wadhwani said, 'We have no plans' to continue perpetual licenses. We are not ruling that out in the future.
Adobe VP of Creative Solutions, Winston Hendrickson
Those guys sure have some weird logic though.
Question: What assurances can our readers have that Lightroom will not become a subscription-only option?
[Bryan O'Neil Hughes] Lightroom is for photographers. And the Lightroom team is very aware of the reaction by photographers to Photoshop CC. We don't have plans to make Lightroom a subscription-only option but we do envision added functionality for the CC version of Lightroom.
So, Lightroom is for Photographers...and who is Photoshop for?
Lee Saxon wrote:
There are clear upsides. For instance, new features can go out to customers as soon as they're ready rather than gathering dust until the next upgrade cycle release date.
Also, where's all this "Adobe greed" stuff coming from? Photoshop CS was $700, plus whatever the upgrade price was every 18 months if you wanted ACR support for the latest cameras. Now the entire product line is $600/year. Seems like less to me. *shrug*
Adobe's upgrades are MASSIVE compared to Autodesk's and their "upgrade version" discount is MUCH larger. Things could be much worse.
I agree with the rest of your post, though.
How many people here use the ENTIRE Adobe product line? Try almost none. How many people upgrade every last time the one application that they use (Photoshop)? Some, but certainly not all.
For most, the brazen cash grab by Adobe represents an enormous price increase **AND** the automatic removal of your software the moment you decide not to pay for it anymore.
Here's a simple cost breakdown to emphasize why this stinks. I bought Photoshop 6 13 years ago. Then upgrades to 7, CS2, CS5 and CS6. Total spent? Around $1400 in 12.5 years. And I get to keep CS 6 for as long as it will run.
Had the Creative Cloud been available for the beginning, I would have paid $3,000 in subscription fees (at $20 a month), and if I decided I didn't want to keep paying for upgrades, the I would have...nothing. No software to use, nothing. So, $1,600 more and nothing to show for it. This is what this portends for future users buying in now.
This is so silly. Don't like Adobe's new business plan? Don't participate, nobodies twisting your arm. Why insult? I read a comment on one forum's thread that seemed to compare the new Adobe business model with the Holocaust ("put on your armband and get on the train"). Really? This is software folks, no one's threatening to ration your oxygen.
Personally, I needed a couple more Adobe programs (Premiere Pro, After Effects) to go with my PS (CS5). I was prepared to pick them up for $1,300 when I read about Adobe's subscription program. $32 for the first year (with tax) and I have access to the complete Adobe catalog, along with some cloud value add on's. Sure, next year my rate will increase to $50, but that's still less than $2 per day.
According to Adobe, more than 500,00 have signed up for the creative cloud subscription plan. It may not be the right option for everyone, but it's not the end of the world.
Adobe had 'global CEO' Shantanu Narayen fly into Australia a couple months back just as the parliament was due to look at their (and other US s/ware giants') predatory pricing in this country. What happened:
'ADOBE has buckled under the pressure of the Federal Government's IT Pricing inquiry. Yesterday it dropped the price of its annual subscription rate of its Creative Cloud suite from $62.99 to $49.99 a month, bringing it in line with US prices.'
'Before you decide to purchase Adobe software, know that customers are still being gouged on digital subscriptions, as well as physical software packs. The retail price of its out of the box, full software versions of Photoshop, Creative Suite and Premiere will remain as high as ever, the Australian Financial Review reported.
The Creative Suite Master 6 Collection in Australia costs $4,334. The same software carries a price of $2599 in the US, Gizmodo reported.
That's a $1,735 price difference.'
Tariq, the Aust Adobe website home page makes it very hard to actually find any information on Photoshop as they are trying to roll it into the CS suite these days - the take out message is that they are interested in selling the 'CC' to 'creative professionals' such as graphic designers, illustrators etc. - not photographers. See here: http://www.adobe.com/au/ http://www.adobe.com/au/products/photoshop.html
