tsdevine wrote:
I'd consider full frame EF mount SD1....but that will never come to be.
If they make FF, it might be. Cause SA is easily converted with full function to EF. Just Im quite positive no EF lens can handle that sensor, thats why lately Sigma is making "uber-lens" like 35/1.4 and 18-35/1.8.
Im pretty positive some Leica R could do that job tho.. or Zeiss.
I wouldn't convert my EF to SA though.....I might consider someone converting the mount on the camera from SA to EF...I've heard it's been done. Somewhat of a hack, but maybe it would become a possibility down the road.
I have the Zeiss 15mm, 21mm and Sigma 35mm F1.4. From what I understand, the incident angle of the projected image is moderate on the 15....pretty amazing for that wide of a lens.
Mescalamba wrote:
If they make FF, it might be. Cause SA is easily converted with full function to EF. Just Im quite positive no EF lens can handle that sensor, thats why lately Sigma is making "uber-lens" like 35/1.4 and 18-35/1.8.
Im pretty positive some Leica R could do that job tho.. or Zeiss.
I think Canon definitely has some lenses that could handle such a sensor easily: 24 TS-E, 70-200/2.8, their macro lenses and there must be a some others (their superteles at least).
Since sensor format and camera size are key parameters in the discussion, I wanted to throw in som studio samples with the DP1M (SOOC JPG that looks fantastic at 100% crop) and the NEX7.
To the left: NEX7 processed with C1 engine version 7, and then 3 steps of USM applied
To the right: DP1M interpolated to NEX7 pixel dimensions.
^^ Yeah, there are too many variables there for anything close to a fair comparison (could have used the DP1M raw studio file, DP1M is using a wide angle lens vs NEX7 a long Macro in a close up studio shot, some will claim the DP1M lens is not as good as the DP2M and so on) - but you got the result you wanted.
Having owned the NEX-7, the DP Merrill's (I own both at the moment) are at least the equal and often better regarding resolution at base ISO in ideal conditons. I would go as far as saying I doubt there is a wide angle lens that can be mounted on the NEX-7 that could match the DP1M. With the DP2M, it would probably be closer since it's easier to find very good normal lenses (an obviously great one being the Sigma 30MM, not too different than the one on the DP2M). The story is really the same with the FF 20-24MP cameras as the lens is such a huge variable (as the prime example in this thread proves). I finally came to the conclusion that a DP1 or DP2 Merrill, in most cases, is going to equal a bayer sensor with a resolution between 24-30MP (usually closer to the high side unless a really exceptional lens is used).
alundeb wrote:
Besides, and I don't think anybody has mentioned it in this thread, the Sigma processing is cheating you by applying Local Contrast Enhancement with a large radius. Something like USM with 15 pixels radius and strength 20. In some scenes, this looks like "exceptional clarity", but in other scenes it looks like that ugly "HDR look" that was so popular around 2007. I can't believe that people really are falling for that trick. I mentioned it in the dedicated DP Merrill thread and tried to stay out of there since, but given this is a new thread with the purpose of comparison, I want to point it out again:
I don't know man...I mean, I think I know what you saying and I had a somewhat similar assessment (SPP seems to dial clarity to 11) but I wouldn't go as far as DP2M giving false sense of detail (which was the bottom line in the thread you forwarded). You cannot create something out of nothing, and Sigma provides more detail than the M9 at base ISO (because of the aliasing on the M9)
take that with a grain of salt, though. but I leave you with this studio shot with the DP2M (original available in the flickr page).
Just Im quite positive no EF lens can handle that sensor, thats why lately Sigma is making "uber-lens" like 35/1.4 and 18-35/1.8.