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p.10 #1 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


This morning, I outperformed my alarm clock by waking up early. I then showered, brushed my teeth, had yogurt for breakfast since it outperforms oatmeal. On the drive to work, I outperformed the posted speed limit, luckily there were no cops. My morning routine is to check my websites, i found this thread amusing, so i decided to outperform the generally accepted definition of the word in order to make a point about word choice.


Apr 16, 2013 at 09:04 PM
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p.10 #2 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


philip_pj wrote:
'without any obvious difference to many of my DSLR shots.'

And I think this is the essence of it - the end point of the 'best camera for the moment' thinking is that the most convenient one gets there, as for Jack - rather than the one that delivers the best results. So often it does not matter and that is a win for people happy with second or third best. Lest my words appear harsh, I wish the best results could be obtained in small jpegs and in all cameras, I really do, but my eyes refuse to see it
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I never said I did not want the best results, however when you are travelling in cramped conditions and often don't get much time to shoot at all, something like an X100 is pretty good. I certainly cant complain with my images, one just won me $500 in a photography competition, not bad for what is considered inferior, a fine jpeg from a non DSLR



Apr 16, 2013 at 09:55 PM
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p.10 #3 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


Interesting report, Hrannar - thanks. Can't say I had any issues with AF speed or accuracy (except for a 120 % braindead auto-AF). I've read a few places that the FW upgrades for the 35/1.4 made significant improvements.


Apr 17, 2013 at 04:16 AM
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p.10 #4 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


No, please it is not inferior just a different approach. I am not be taken too seriously for what you do, I am compiling a huge set of images and want the best short of medium format, so I am well motivated. I am glad it works for you.


Apr 17, 2013 at 04:44 AM
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p.10 #5 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


philip_pj wrote:
No, please it is not inferior just a different approach. I am not be taken too seriously for what you do, I am compiling a huge set of images and want the best short of medium format, so I am well motivated. I am glad it works for you.


My DSLRs are always shot RAW though. Medium format would be awesome but way out of my price range



Apr 17, 2013 at 10:20 AM
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p.10 #6 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


I must say, I am angered by the title of the thread. A lot of people come here looking for opinions and threads that may make a difference in purchases costing them hundreds of dollars. So when someone reads his titleand gets exdcited that they may be about to read a thread that could have a big impact on a purchase decision, only to open it to read, "OH, hey, I didn't even use one of these cameras and i was just joking", that can feel like a slap in the face. In other words, THAT'S NOT FUNNY OR COOL to mislead people to come in to a thread when to them what they are looking for is very meaningful and important stuff that will help them decide to spend hundreds of dollars. Maybe I should start a thread saying "Found the Canon 5D3, new for $1,700 at... So they can get excited, open the thread and see, "ha, just joking." That would not be funny or a joke to me.

Secondly, your argument doesn't really hold up because if weight is the main factor then an 8 mp cell phone would be a drop in quality, sure, but the MASSIVE, HUGE difference in portability would surely outweigh the IQ difference. I mean, you can take an 8mp phone and actually have it in your PANTS pocket, and I mean EVEN WHILE YOU ARE SITTING AT A TABLE you can still have it in your pants pocket, and no one even thinks twice about seeing someone fiddling with their phone. So a cell phone would be FAR MORE convenient with FAR LESS weight and would be MUCH MORE enjoyable and quick for snaps than the X-E1, so why weren't you using one of those? So if your argument holds then you were still not using the best bang for your buck if portability compared to IQ is what you are after.

And last, I would always want my precious memories in the best IQ my money can afford and NO WAY would I ever let a couple extra pounds interfere with my pics that will bring back memories for a life time. You state they were only snaps, then go on to tell us you hadn't been alone with your wonderful wife for years together and how much you enjoyed that. To me that would make the snaps MORE IMPORTANT to me and my personal life, NOT LESS important. I ALWAYS want the best iq my money can afford AT ALL TIMES, especially shots of precious moments with loved ones

I'll end by saying, nice pics,, but I am left wanting because I sure wish I could have seen these pics taken with the great dynamic range of the D800. What a shame that I can't see shots from your vacation with the D800, oh well, guess I'll be left wondering how great they would have looked.



Apr 18, 2013 at 02:53 PM
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jeffguitar wrote:
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And last, I would always want my precious memories in the best IQ my money can afford and NO WAY would I ever let a couple extra pounds interfere with my pics that will bring back memories for a life time.....


I'm going to have to completely disagree with this.

For normal sized prints(and even most large prints) the difference between my Canon 6D and my OM-D is tiny and meaningless. And, especially when I'm on my feet all day in warm weather, like my trip this Feb. to Guatemala "a couple of pounds", means all the difference in the world to me.

My OM-D and 14 2.5, 20 1.7 and 45 1.8 is a crazy lightweight kit with IQ that comes scary close (and in some cases bests) my 6D and L glass/Alts.



Apr 18, 2013 at 04:23 PM
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jeffguitar wrote: I must say, I am angered by the title of the thread. In other words, THAT'S NOT FUNNY OR COOL to mislead people to come in to a thread

Jeff.. I left this thread a few days ago but saw it pop up again. Don't take things so seriously it's the internet and it's full of opinions and worthless information. My post probably falls into that category. Also just curious if you have the opportunity shoot with a Fuji XE-1? Because if I want billboard size prints then my D800 is the choice but for web postings and travel snapshots it's total overkill.



I ALWAYS want the best iq my money can afford AT ALL TIMES, especially shots of precious moments with loved ones

Looks like you'll be moving up to Hasselblad or the RED 4k camera anytime now That should be fun to lug around on vacation.



Apr 18, 2013 at 04:35 PM
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michael49 wrote:
I'm going to have to completely disagree with this.

For normal sized prints(and even most large prints) the difference between my Canon 6D and my OM-D is tiny and meaningless. And, especially when I'm on my feet all day in warm weather, like my trip this Feb. to Guatemala "a couple of pounds", means all the difference in the world to me.

My OM-D and 14 2.5, 20 1.7 and 45 1.8 is a crazy lightweight kit with IQ that comes scary close (and in some cases bests) my 6D and L glass/Alts.


Yup ... my experience has been that the OM-D files are practically as good as the 5D II:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1172736/4#11492822

And I would believe that the Fuji X-E1 with the later-generation Sony sensor is better than the OM-D sensor.



Apr 18, 2013 at 07:17 PM
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p.10 #10 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


allstarimaging wrote:
jeffguitar wrote: I must say, I am angered by the title of the thread. In other words, THAT'S NOT FUNNY OR COOL to mislead people to come in to a thread

Jeff.. I left this thread a few days ago but saw it pop up again. Don't take things so seriously it's the internet and it's full of opinions and worthless information. My post probably falls into that category. Also just curious if you have the opportunity shoot with a Fuji XE-1? Because if I want billboard size prints then my D800 is the choice but for web postings and travel
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Notice i said. "That I can afford" I can't afford medium format. All I can afford is my 5D2 and my Galaxy cell phone with 5 mp camera. And I would always use my 5D2, even though my cell would be INCREDIBLY more portable. And it would turn out decent jpegs too.



Apr 18, 2013 at 07:41 PM
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p.10 #11 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......



Practically is not good enough for me. I stopped looking to buy an X-E1 because I saw the difference in quality just on screen in a comparison between it and a 5D3. So it is definitely a big enough difference for me even on a laptop screen.


bobbytan wrote:
Yup ... my experience has been that the OM-D files are practically as good as the 5D II:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1172736/4#11492822

And I would believe that the Fuji X-E1 with the later-generation Sony sensor is better than the OM-D sensor.




Apr 18, 2013 at 07:43 PM
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p.10 #12 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


Not everyone needs the best that FF can deliver - plus Zeiss or Leica optics, and if what they see if 'close enough' who can argue the point with them? Better than, that is a different story, for that you will be required to provide well-developed, bias free and persuasive evidence.

Some time back, Michael Reichmann must have needed some web traffic so he engineered to have some compact look 'close enough' to a medium format camera.

It's an interesting development, the small cam market. Neither giant, Canon or Nikon, seems particularly interested in the small camera segment so it could be that it's still quite small in overall market share. In which case the small but vocal 'close enough' chorus might be more visible (and audible) than numerous. A lot of people mix and match of course.

I have yet to see this kind of headline on any respectable publication or expert blogger website however - quite the contrary in fact. Maybe Zeiss are crazy for developing the 55mm f1.4 Distagon, when something a tenth the size is close enough ;-)




Apr 18, 2013 at 08:53 PM
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p.10 #13 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


allstarimaging wrote:
I want billboard size prints then my D800 is the choice but for web postings and travel snapshots it's total overkill.


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The concluded opinion of this reporter is that driving a Ferrari on the sidewalk is total overkill.
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Sorry, couldn't resist a little levity.
(File under more "worthless internet information" category.)



Apr 19, 2013 at 12:00 AM
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p.10 #14 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


First of all, I wasn't comparing the 5D III to the OM-D. I was comparing the 5D II that I have used and shot probably close to 50,000 frames.

Second of all "practically as good as" or "good enough" are both very relative terms, and what is good enough for me may not be good enough for you and a billion other people. Ask anyone shooting with a medium format camera with a digital back and he or she will tell you that the 5D III is just not good enough compared to medium format files.

jeffguitar wrote:
Practically is not good enough for me. I stopped looking to buy an X-E1 because I saw the difference in quality just on screen in a comparison between it and a 5D3. So it is definitely a big enough difference for me even on a laptop screen.





Apr 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM
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p.10 #15 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


For me it's about getting the best image quality I can while still enjoying the experience of my vacation. Sorry, but lugging around a D800–unless the vacation is specifically oriented around photography–just makes absolutely no sense to me. The X-E1 already delivers image quality beyond what some professional DSLRs were capable of a few years ago, I think it's definitely good enough for a family vacation.

I am amused that this thread seems to have risen back from the ashes. I guess it really did strike a chord. There was a post on the Online Photographer blog a year or so ago that really drove this all home for me (I'd link to it but now I can't find it...). Sometimes we just worry too much about image quality when it's really only one aspect of what's needed to capture the moment.



Apr 19, 2013 at 01:41 PM
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p.10 #16 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


Well said and agreed.


Apr 19, 2013 at 01:48 PM
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It's quite amusing to see how a thread title can upset so many people
I'm perfectly fine with it all, we all have our own preferences and it's just gear.



Apr 19, 2013 at 02:04 PM
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p.10 #18 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......


Jack,

What do you want ($$) for your D800 low performance, barely able to focus, over-priced and under-used camera?
Speaking on mirrorless, I have been looking at the Panasonic. I have no experience or knowledge on the topic

I must also say that heavy cameras suit me as my hands are not as steady as in the past century. I am able to hold a large heavy camera better than a smaller lighter one.

Thanks, Dale



Apr 19, 2013 at 02:08 PM
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For all of the non believers, those that have to have full frame or nothing, and a big bag of lenses..do yourself a favor and take a few minutes to watch this video clip from Zack Arias on the new Fuji X100s. If you like, disregard his commentary and just focus on the images he captures and maybe you will rethink how you shoot and what you shoot with:



Jack



Apr 19, 2013 at 02:29 PM
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You only have to spend a few minutes in the NEX thread to realize crop sensors can do really good. I dont think that's the point. Many here belong to the lucky ones that dont have to take photos to earn a living. It's a hobby, and for those here in the alt-forum, it's often a big hobby. Literally too.

It is for me. I have a (digital) FF, and a very nice and tiny crop camera (NEX) that I put some very nice rangefinder Zeisses on. I also have a 35 mm film camera. All different treats. But in my case I fall back on the digital FF because it can do more and do it better. And in my hobby I like to bring it. Not a bag full of lenses though, just one on cam and sometimes (seldom) a second perhaps.

Good for you that you found your compromise. DSLR FF is not the end of the road either, but that's where my compromise sits right now. It will move most likely, dont know which direction though. BTW, nice snaps 10 pages back. I sometimes take a break with a fourth camera of mine, Hipstamatic on iPhone. I thoroughly enjoy it though I realize it lacks a lot of abilities better and less portable stuff bring.




Apr 19, 2013 at 04:00 PM
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