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Archive 2013 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF

  
 
Sven Jeppesen
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p.8 #1 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


Shield wrote:
For what it's worth returning the Sigma 35 (#2) and I've purchased a 35 L.
I'm quite sure the Sigma is sharper wide open, but IMO if you have front/back focus issues it's just not worth it for me.
I'd rather just use the Canon at F/2 and get arguably better colors and bokeh with more accurate focusing. I picked up a 35L for under $1k.



Good luck with your Canon instead. But why coming back and argue/complain in the thread when you have sold it? Let the other people who likes the Sigma enjoy it. You have made your choice. Let the others here do the same.....



Jan 14, 2013 at 12:51 AM
Sven Jeppesen
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p.8 #2 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


absolutic wrote:
Sold 35L a while back....got the Sigma as a gift for Xmas from wife, so far very happy
http://brodsky.smugmug.com/Family/Sean-Jan-2013/i-s6fqMCw/0/XL/JA137630-XL.jpg
http://brodsky.smugmug.com/Family/Sean-Jan-2013/i-tZTQ5wJ/0/XL/JA137631-XL.jpg
http://brodsky.smugmug.com/Family/Sean-Jan-2013/i-9xhGxvB/0/XL/JA137635-XL.jpg


Cute baby shots. And glad you enjoyed your Xmas present



Jan 14, 2013 at 12:54 AM
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p.8 #3 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


Sven Jeppesen wrote:
Cute baby shots. And glad you enjoyed your Xmas present


Thank u very much!



Jan 14, 2013 at 01:06 AM
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Sven Jeppesen wrote:
Good luck with your Canon instead. But why coming back and argue/complain in the thread when you have sold it? Let the other people who likes the Sigma enjoy it. You have made your choice. Let the others here do the same.....


Just letting people know I had trouble with both copies and the 5d3. I thought that was the point of this thread.



Jan 14, 2013 at 04:28 AM
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p.8 #5 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


so i guess i'm reluctantly sending mine back today. i'm almost wondering if it's worth living with the wonky focusing, since the results are so good when it's on. but i don't want to be endlessly fussing with it/trying to fix it.


Jan 14, 2013 at 08:38 AM
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p.8 #6 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


Shield wrote:
Just letting people know I had trouble with both copies and the 5d3. I thought that was the point of this thread.


It is, but because Sven got a good copy he doesn't want to hear about your experience; Remember if you got a bad copy you must have done something wrong--clearly operator error. On the flipside, Sven can respond as many times as he wants in the thread, because that's not arguing/complaining at all.

By the way, I don't see any complaining or arguing in your post, Shield.



Jan 14, 2013 at 10:28 AM
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p.8 #7 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


Wow.. so far 25% with issues.. that's not good..


Jan 16, 2013 at 06:26 PM
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p.8 #8 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


sfcyclist wrote:
Wow.. so far 25% with issues.. that's not good..


The poll or any poll here is not reliable. I would not go as far as saying that the result is bogus.... .

I wish there could be a provision that people would have to actually type in a legitimate serial number or so to participate but of course, I know that that option is not feasible and is completely out-of-question.



Jan 16, 2013 at 06:45 PM
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p.8 #9 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


..and both of my copies had AF problems (unreliable) and I could only vote once in this poll. So, take it for what its worth.


Jan 16, 2013 at 10:16 PM
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p.8 #10 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


I returned my Sig 35 today... Going to try another. I just had weird focusing behavior. It was accurate and reliable, but I had to change the microadjust value to +9 indoors and back to 0 outdoors. It always got a bit complex with distance as well. So I will try another.


Jan 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM
Sven Jeppesen
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p.8 #11 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


Shield wrote:
..and both of my copies had AF problems (unreliable) and I could only vote once in this poll. So, take it for what its worth.


Roger C bought 30 copies that where good. And he could only vote one time also



Jan 16, 2013 at 10:29 PM
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How well did Roger test each lens though? Various distances, lighting conditions, etc.... Did he ever say? I thought it was all from the same distance, lighting, etc... Won't show many flaws.


Jan 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM
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p.8 #13 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


dadgummit wrote:
I guess my skills in shooting at f1.4 suddenly got better between Sigma #3 and the Canon...


That's strange...I had the same phenomenon happen to me.



Jan 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM
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Shield wrote:
..and both of my copies had AF problems (unreliable) and I could only vote once in this poll. So, take it for what its worth.


Sven Jeppesen wrote:
Roger C bought 30 copies that where good. And he could only vote one time also


Roger is not an end user, at least not directly.

Maybe I should get my copy from Scandinavia . Yours and Lars seem to be fine. Or did he buy his in Bangkok?



Jan 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM
Sven Jeppesen
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Invertalon wrote:
How well did Roger test each lens though? Various distances, lighting conditions, etc.... Did he ever say? I thought it was all from the same distance, lighting, etc... Won't show many flaws.


I would guess 95% of the other people here didn't say anything about those things either. But I would also guess that Roger is more used to lens testing than 99% of the members here



Jan 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM
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p.8 #16 · Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM - AF


Sven Jeppesen wrote:
Roger C bought 30 copies that where good. And he could only vote one time also



And, if you followed the threads, he said he didn't do ANY critical AF testing on the lenses.

To quote:

"Just to clear things up: the 30 copies tested are in a well lit lab and tested at 10 to 30 feet on stationary targets using center point AF. We do a back-frontfocus check using lens align, though, and all 30 copies were reasonably in spec, but again, well lit, 10-30 feet distance. In other words, no critical AF testing is done.

I leave critical AF testing to the reviewers."

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1180311/2#11255417



Jan 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM
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Shield wrote:
And, if you followed the threads, he said he didn't do ANY critical AF testing on the lenses.

To quote:

"Just to clear things up: the 30 copies tested are in a well lit lab and tested at 10 to 30 feet on stationary targets using center point AF. We do a back-frontfocus check using lens align, though, and all 30 copies were reasonably in spec, but again, well lit, 10-30 feet distance. In other words, no critical AF testing is done.

I leave critical AF testing to the reviewers."

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1180311/2#11255417


And how many people here do you belive have done some really critical testing of the lens? I'm pretty sure many people that answered in the poll haven't even used the lens at all



Jan 17, 2013 at 12:14 AM
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AGeoJO wrote:
Roger is not an end user, at least not directly.

Maybe I should get my copy from Scandinavia . Yours and Lars seem to be fine. Or did he buy his in Bangkok?



I bought my lens here in Bangkok http://www.avcamera.com/index.php



Jan 17, 2013 at 01:14 AM
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Well, I finally got my camera back from Canon. They adjusted the AF and now my 24-70 II, 50/1.4 and 40/2.8 are all flawless with less than 3 MFA in either direction. Unfortunately, my Sigma 35 is still erratic. Like others in this thread, if I MFA it to work at a particular distance, it will be fairly accurate there, but front-focus at shorter distances. It's a shame because when it is on, it's an incredible lens. Moments of brilliance. This is already my second copy; I don't think I'm up for a third. The 35L isn't as sharp wide open, but (at least for me) it was rock solid with AF. I think I'll pick one up used. So frustrating, because I really wanted a good copy.


Jan 25, 2013 at 05:15 PM
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OK guys, for what it is worth to some of you... I emailed CPS due to the MA shift I was getting between lighting sources. Not with distance, but light. Both copies I have tried of the Sigma 35 have performed identical... Great at any distance, MFD to infinity... 0MA 90% of the time on my 5D3... But sometimes indoors, requires around +8 to be sharp again.


I got a call back from CPS just now in regards to my email about the focus shift. I was told that behavior is perfectly normal for any camera body to exhibit, because the white balance temperature has a direct relation to the AF performance of the lens. Since the AF system is using light to achieve focus, the color temperature is very critical and can definitely cause shift between lighting sources. Fast lenses are more noticeable, obviously, due to the very shallow depth of field. f/2.8 lenses and up will not show nearly as well. The main point here is to MA in conditions you will be shooting with and adjust as required. One of the main reasons for the ability to MA, and not just to fix lens calibration issues

But he did stress to me that it is perfectly normal to see this type of behavior, especially indoors with complex color temperatures.


Now I know others and myself included have not seen this behavior as much (or at all) with Canon lenses. Here is my theory (comparing the 35L to the Sigma 35).

1.) The Sigma 35 is a MUCH higher resolving lens wide open. Therefor it is easier to see when it does miss, because you don't get that incredible detail you would when it does nail the focus. The 35L is not nearly as sharp, so a little focus tolerance is not as easily detectable.

2.) Being a third party, reverse engineered lens... The Sigma, while precise in focus is not exactly as accurate as the Canon would be. In a simple explanation, think of it as simple MA values... Canon's lenses may be calibrated to hit within +/- 2 values shot to shot in ideal conditions. The Sigma, may be +/- 3 values to critical focus. Mix that with my theory in #1, the Sigma may appear to miss critical focus a bit more often, because the Sigma has slightly looser tolerance with focus along with being much sharper, so it is much more obvious to visually see the difference in slightly focus.

3.) The lens coatings may also play a part in this... Canon knows exactly what light is required to ideally operate the AF system, therefore, lens coatings are optimized to allow the necessary light rays into the AF module. The Sigma, may be *slightly* different (which is why some see a slightly different color cast compared to Canon lenses), and in turn, may not be 100% ideal for the Canon AF system to utilize to get the most accurate AF shot to shot.

Now the three explanations above are just my own personal theories on the subject. This is not obviously accounting for distance related MA issues, but only the shift in various light sources.

In conclusion, the point is that all lenses will exhibit this behavior. But depending on one or a combination of the (3) factors above, may be more or less obvious to the user. So this shift we are experiencing with the Sigma (to me) appears to be no fault at all with the lens directly (not defective). But in reality is this... In the end, it is an extremely sharp, high quality, but still a reverse engineered lens. So it will never be as accurate and precise as a Canon optic, no matter what.

That being said, WHEN adjusted for the lighting conditions... The Sigma is a stellar performer. It focuses as good as any Canon for me with incredible, sharp results. No exaggeration here by any means. Compared to the Sigma 30 I had years ago, this one blows it away with the AF performance. No comparison. It is a whole new level, a Sigma "L" if you will.

Hope this helps clarify the shift and possible reasoning why it may be more noticeable. Thanks to Canon NJ for the information to help ease my mind with this shifting!



Jan 25, 2013 at 05:27 PM
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