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p.18 #1 · Best Alt Images, EVER! (before we all die)


Well, crap, I guess I have to find my receipts for all the stuff I bought the last few weeks, thinking it was all going to end today.


Dec 21, 2012 at 05:42 PM
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carstenw wrote:
You are very welcome to join us! These weren't in Berlin though, but around Dortmund. Note that Detroit has some of the most awesome urbex spots in the world.


I thought you were in Bulgaria. Based on what I saw when flying into Sophia two years ago, it's got to be a fantastic place for this type of photography. Great stuff!



Dec 21, 2012 at 05:44 PM
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It is a mess. The gun owners of the United States of America are the very least of my global worries.


I am not worried about gun owners in the States. I feel very sorry for the people losing their kids and other loved ones, so regularly, and not only in mass shootings, but also daily. Anyway, we had better bury this line of discussion. It doesn't lead anywhere.



Dec 21, 2012 at 05:47 PM
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As I understand it, this marked the end of an age in the long form calendar, which relies on a theoretical start date, so calculating the end of that age is open to interpretation, but is it really any surprise that took root in the public imagination and grew to become something else entirely? Look at the fears over the Y2K bug. Planes were going to fall out of the sky, financial institutions would be in ruins, everyone's credit score would be reset to 0. It was ridiculous but it was all the rage to fear/joke about.


Dec 21, 2012 at 05:58 PM
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Carl Zeiss Jena 180@ f2.8
-Jim

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3476/3828090913_ac9a0a006a_b.jpg



Dec 21, 2012 at 06:06 PM
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cogitech wrote:
And when the Americans eventually need to defend themselves against the tyranny of their government, what will the rest of the world say then?


It seems that those who support relaxing gun laws in the US also tend to support arming the US military, which feels like a conflict of interest in terms of the 2nd amendment. I'm pretty sure that the citizens of this country would have little chance against our current military, no matter which guns that we're allowed to use. Do you think citizens should be allowed to arm ourselves with fully automatic weapons, tanks, grenades, jets, battleships, subs, etc., to have a fighting chance against our own military? These decisions today are a little more difficult than in 1791, when firepower was much less devastating, and bearing arms was simple.

Really, and I say this as a handgun owner, I think the big issue is, like all of us camera nerds, gun nerds want to protect their hobby and toys. Frankly, I think guns are mechanically interesting, fun to shoot, and even a little empowering, but I'm willing to give up a hobby for the greater good. Heck, I'd probably support a handgun ban in the US, despite being a handgun owner, because there are really only a few kinds of guns that one needs to protect the home and hunt.

Wow, Mayan calendars, guns and beautiful pics. What a thread!



Dec 21, 2012 at 06:07 PM
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This thread and this sudden craze for apocalysis kind of reminded me of a poem by the Alexandrian poet Constantine P. Cavafy:


What are we waiting for, assembled in the forum?

The barbarians are due here today.


Why isn’t anything happening in the senate?
Why do the senators sit there without legislating?

Because the barbarians are coming today.
What laws can the senators make now?
Once the barbarians are here, they’ll do the legislating.


Why did our emperor get up so early,
and why is he sitting at the city’s main gate
on his throne, in state, wearing the crown?

Because the barbarians are coming today
and the emperor is waiting to receive their leader.
He has even prepared a scroll to give him,
replete with titles, with imposing names.


Why have our two consuls and praetors come out today
wearing their embroidered, their scarlet togas?
Why have they put on bracelets with so many amethysts,
and rings sparkling with magnificent emeralds?
Why are they carrying elegant canes
beautifully worked in silver and gold?

Because the barbarians are coming today
and things like that dazzle the barbarians.


Why don’t our distinguished orators come forward as usual
to make their speeches, say what they have to say?

Because the barbarians are coming today
and they’re bored by rhetoric and public speaking.


Why this sudden restlessness, this confusion?
(How serious people’s faces have become.)
Why are the streets and squares emptying so rapidly,
everyone going home so lost in thought?

Because night has fallen and the barbarians have not come.
And some who have just returned from the border say
there are no barbarians any longer.


And now, what’s going to happen to us without barbarians?
They were, those people, a kind of solution.

Sorry if it's out of place, but… I'll add a few pics (not really worthy of this magnificent thread) so that you don't complain:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6225/7000755461_0a2912087a_b.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6220/6364723057_c347801cf3_b.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6204/6082990550_7f152a22b2_b.jpg



Dec 21, 2012 at 06:20 PM
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p.18 #8 · Best Alt Images, EVER! (before we all die)


No complaints. Appropriate poem. Beautiful photos.

Going forward, I suggest we refocus on the original intent of this thread.



Dec 21, 2012 at 06:23 PM
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Kodak SLR/C + C/Y 35-70/3.4







Dec 21, 2012 at 06:24 PM
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Nice pics and poem. Thanks!


Dec 21, 2012 at 06:24 PM
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To me it appears that the US and EU often look quite far apart but that when it comes to basic values we find large groups of thinking people that are very much alike. And some non-thinking that are not. Goes within the EU too. No worries.

No donuts in range but generous display and keen spectators. CY100/2.






Dec 21, 2012 at 06:25 PM
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douglasf13 wrote:
It seems that those who support relaxing gun laws in the US also tend to support arming the US military, which feels like a conflict of interest in terms of the 2nd amendment.

Of course it is, but why point your finger at a group (maybe a majority, doesn't matter) that holds inconsistent political opinions in order to devalue the idea of private gun ownership when there are people that support gun ownership rights and point out that the military should not become too powerful (and should, as a general rule, stay out of other countries)?




Dec 21, 2012 at 06:26 PM
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douglasf13 wrote:
It seems that those who support relaxing gun laws in the US also tend to support arming the US military, which feels like a conflict of interest in terms of the 2nd amendment. I'm pretty sure that the citizens of this country would have little chance against our current military, no matter which guns that we're allowed to use. Do you think citizens should be allowed to arm ourselves with fully automatic weapons, tanks, grenades, jets, battleships, subs, etc., to have a fighting chance against our own military? These decisions today are a little more difficult than in 1791,
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this always cracked me up. we didn't even have a standing army when the 2nd amendment was written. i for one think we should let any US citizen who wants to buy a super carrier, stealth bomber, or main battle tank do it (maybe with a little extra tax on to help pay of the deficit?).

it all seriousness, i like shooting guns and i don't think they should be banned completely, but i don't think a few extra restrictions would cause any harm. it seems to be one of those issues though where only two ridiculously extreme sides can be tolerated.



Dec 21, 2012 at 06:26 PM
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Another from the SLR/C + 35-70/3.4 combo







Dec 21, 2012 at 06:33 PM
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wfrank wrote:
...No donuts in range but generous display and keen spectators. CY100/2.


Do you have a Makro-Planar T* 100/2.8 ?



Dec 21, 2012 at 06:34 PM
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And a couple M645's ... 80/4 & 150/2.8 A












Dec 21, 2012 at 06:37 PM
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dcjs wrote:
Of course it is, but why point your finger at a group (maybe a majority, doesn't matter) that holds inconsistent political opinions in order to devalue the idea of private gun ownership when there are people that support gun ownership rights and point out that the military should not become too powerful (and should, as a general rule, stay out of other countries)?



I'm not sure that I understand your question. Those who stand up for the 2nd amendment and also believe that the military should be somewhat as equally armed as civilians are certainly not conflicted like I mentioned, but I'm not exactly sure that this makes up a very large portion of the population. Maybe it does, and I'm just not aware of it.



Dec 21, 2012 at 06:38 PM
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sebboh wrote:
this always cracked me up. we didn't even have a standing army when the 2nd amendment was written. i for one think we should let any US citizen who wants to buy a super carrier, stealth bomber, or main battle tank do it (maybe with a little extra tax on to help pay of the deficit?).

it all seriousness, i like shooting guns and i don't think they should be banned completely, but i don't think a few extra restrictions would cause any harm. it seems to be one of those issues though where only two ridiculously extreme sides can
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Yeah, that's really all that I'm saying. I like shooting guns, but I don't mind more rules...and we live in California!



Dec 21, 2012 at 06:39 PM
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hayek wrote:
Why you need to to go into the politics mode, I cannot understand. You've probably visited the United States a few times, doubtful you've ever lived here, probably get all your news from the BBC or die Tageszeitung and you think you know what you're talking about because a handful of horrible events makes it all seem the same. You simply don't know and the tightly packed places of Western Europe don't extrapolate to the expanses of North America. I'm from Wyoming and the polizei aren't right around the corner. I haven't contributed in the past because I respect the
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I won't answer the general gist of this, which cannot really be answered. If that is what you choose to believe, go ahead.

However, I will answer the facts you got wrong:


  1. I am British/Canadian, not German.
  2. I lived 19 years in Canada and have been in the States very many times, to very different parts, including Wyoming (but never to the south-eastern parts, apart from New Orleans).
  3. In 1990 I took a 37 day, 19000km motorcycle trip through Canada and the States, from Toronto to Vancouver to Los Angeles and back, through many of the larger cities in the western half of the States, and I met many people along the way, and discussed many things, including guns, with Americans, and it was always civil and mutually respectful.
  4. I live in Europe because I choose to, because I like the choices made in these countries. Significantly, this includes tight control of guns, and a very low rate of violent crime.
  5. I do not advocate gun elimination, but tight gun control and sane parameters around the whole thing. This means training, psychological evaluation, checks, tight laws regarding the handling and carrying of guns, waiting periods, tight controls on the sales of all parts of the gun cycle, the elimination of combat-oriented fully-automated or excessively powerful weaponry, and so on.
  6. I actually like guns, and used to be a gun club member, and I may buy a gun one day. But I won't carry it, it will be a gun club/range thing.
  7. I think people are generally too stupid to own guns, and that includes intelligent people.
  8. I don't love Germany, I like it. I haven't found the perfect country yet, but Germany is a great place to live, with good education, a good, subsidised health system, a peaceful populace, a good and fair police, and a multi-party balanced democratic political system.
  9. The Germans did not rampage across Europe for a century.
  10. Even at its worst, Germany did not lay waste to everything it touched.
  11. Europe (let's say the EU) is not perfectly socially just, although it tries to do the right thing, even when that is hard.
  12. Deutschland does not have an Umlaut.
  13. I don't get all my news from the BBC or the "Tageszeitung", whatever that is. On the topic of American gun laws, I get my news from American news outlets, like the New York Times and so on.


And finally:

It is not necessary for me or anyone else to keep their nose out of anything. Both Germany and the USA are free countries, and that includes freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

Perhaps we can end it here. We all have opinions and they don't usually change.



Dec 21, 2012 at 06:51 PM
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douglasf13 wrote:
It seems that those who support relaxing gun laws in the US also tend to support arming the US military, which feels like a conflict of interest in terms of the 2nd amendment. I'm pretty sure that the citizens of this country would have little chance against our current military, no matter which guns that we're allowed to use.


I don't think that is what the term militia in the 2nd amendment means. Militia in those days was in place of a regular army, and was called on when needed, by the government. This is comparable to what Switzerland has today. I don't think the intention was ever to have Americans take up arms against the army of their government. I read a really interesting blog commentary on Mike Johnstons site recently.



Dec 21, 2012 at 06:55 PM
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