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p.9 #1Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
Legion5 wrote:
More samples would be very useful.
Any requests? I don't usually analyze lenses beyond "does it work," so I'm not sure what you're looking for. I'd be happy to oblige, tho.
More samples would be very useful.
Any requests? I don't usually analyze lenses beyond "does it work," so I'm not sure what you're looking for. I'd be happy to oblige, tho.
Nov 24, 2012 at 06:35 AM
p.9 #2Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
Legion5 wrote:
Canon's 35mm is one of my favorite lenses and that lens is a master of good bokeh. It's a real shame Sigma messed up the bokeh on lens who's reason for existing at least for me is bokeh.You think it fair to slate a lens you don't own based on one image that you have no idea has been processed? Looks like you are justifying your Canon L from a fanboy standpoint.Not true. I am a fan of lenses that delivery good image quality. I could care less which brand they come from. I carefully compare lenses on each of their qualities and their real world performance having both studied photography as art and optical engineering academically. Which is why I consult for major review websites on how to develop testing methods and rate lenses.
The initial batch of photos from this lens appeared to have some very serious issues. I did not say that the lens HAS these issues my exact words were that the lens "looks" like it has...Show more →
Legion5's painstaking analysis of the bokeh of this new Sigma has convinced me that I should in fact buy a used Canon 35mm 1.4L.
Perhaps I'll buy the one that Legion5 himself is currently selling:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1166631/0?keyword=x#11124098
Taken with a 5Dc, all the shots are RAWs imported to LR and exported w/ default settings (WB "As Shot," "Adobe Standard" image profile, 25/1/25/0 sharpening, no NR, all other settings 0). Analyze away.
Your comments in this thread are just getting more and more ridiculous.........
Wiiispa wrote
Legion5 wrote
Sigma invented a lens that produces bad Bokeh at every opportunity it gets.Canon's 35mm is one of my favorite lenses and that lens is a master of good bokeh. It's a real shame Sigma messed up the bokeh on lens who's reason for existing at least for me is bokeh.
The initial batch of photos from this lens appeared to have some very serious issues. I did not say that the lens HAS these issues my exact words were that the lens "looks" like it has...Show more →
Lord Gnome wrote
Come, come, now that's not fair..Legion5's painstaking analysis of the bokeh of this new Sigma has convinced me that I should in fact buy a used Canon 35mm 1.4L.
Perhaps I'll buy the one that Legion5 himself is currently selling:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1166631/0?keyword=x#11124098
rpaul wrote
Hi guys ... occasional lurker, first time poster. I've had the lens since Wednesday night... since it looks like there's some contention about processing in the samples Legion5 referenced, I have some sample shots up here: http://smu.gs/R40J1PTaken with a 5Dc, all the shots are RAWs imported to LR and exported w/ default settings (WB "As Shot," "Adobe Standard" image profile, 25/1/25/0 sharpening, no NR, all other settings 0). Analyze away.
Your comments in this thread are just getting more and more ridiculous.........
Nov 24, 2012 at 07:21 AM
p.9 #3Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
Legion5 wrote:
Legion5's painstaking analysis of the bokeh of this new Sigma has convinced me that I should in fact buy a used Canon 35mm 1.4L.
Perhaps I'll buy the one that Legion5 himself is currently selling:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1166631/0?keyword=x#11124098
Flimsy flame bait is not a good way to have a productive discussion. 35mm 1.4 is one of my favorite focal lengths hands down. Due to financial considerations of updating all my photo editing computers, all my bodies and all my zooms I have to let go of my own Canon 35mm 1.4L, but within 3-4 months I will be in the market for another 35mm 1.4 lens.
I will be carefully comparing the Canon 35mm f/2.0 IS, Canon 35mm 1.4L and Sigma 35mm 1.4 and I will chose whichever one is the best regardless of price or brand.
Hi Legion5, me again. Just to clarify; the motivation behind your sale of your 35L is not an issue, I've sold many lenses I liked very much. What can certainly be perceived as being more problematic is that you had a 35L to sell in the first place, especially as you entered the thread with your violent dislike of the Sigma at the bottom of page 5 when at the top of the same page avuroski had posted:
avuroski wrote:
If Lens Rentals is correct, watch for a massive price drop on the 35L used market in coming months...
So I was merely highlighting, somewhat playfully I admit, a potential conflict of interest. Apologies if you think I was being over-cynical.
Lord Gnome wrote
Come, come, now that's not fair..Legion5's painstaking analysis of the bokeh of this new Sigma has convinced me that I should in fact buy a used Canon 35mm 1.4L.
Perhaps I'll buy the one that Legion5 himself is currently selling:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1166631/0?keyword=x#11124098
I will be carefully comparing the Canon 35mm f/2.0 IS, Canon 35mm 1.4L and Sigma 35mm 1.4 and I will chose whichever one is the best regardless of price or brand.
Hi Legion5, me again. Just to clarify; the motivation behind your sale of your 35L is not an issue, I've sold many lenses I liked very much. What can certainly be perceived as being more problematic is that you had a 35L to sell in the first place, especially as you entered the thread with your violent dislike of the Sigma at the bottom of page 5 when at the top of the same page avuroski had posted:
avuroski wrote:
If Lens Rentals is correct, watch for a massive price drop on the 35L used market in coming months...
So I was merely highlighting, somewhat playfully I admit, a potential conflict of interest. Apologies if you think I was being over-cynical.
Nov 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM
p.9 #4Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
I am confused myself -so what is the final verdict from lensrentals on the new Sigma, good or bad?Winner or not better that Zeiss and Canon?
Nov 24, 2012 at 10:54 AM
p.9 #5Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
^^^ Roger's take is that it's an excellent lens. Sharper then the Canon at 1.4.
Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 AM
p.9 #6Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
What Edward said, but I'll add a few details.
I got another six copies Friday and tested them. That's not nearly enough to determine sample variation but the other six were all fairly close to the first one I tested.
I've shot with it the last 3 days and find AF is quite good. That was my first concern. I also did not notice any major focus shift or any issues with near - far focus changing. Note, I didn't do microfocus adjustment because I didn't see any need after some quick testing.
Bokeh, as has been noted, isn't the greatest, but it's not awful by any means. But my shooting style at this focal length if I'm looking for bokeh I generally am focusing close with the background far. Most lenses' bokeh looks good like that. I also postprocess a lot -- if I want prettier bokeh I'll make some. But I can't make more resolution. So my priorities are probably different than others.
I don't do the 'better than the other lens' argument much because depending on what you are looking for it may or may not be the best for you. But it certainly gives great value for the money.
BTW - Lensrentals has 8 of the 35 Ls for sale at the moment. My popularity with the sales manager is not good today. Not good at all.
I got another six copies Friday and tested them. That's not nearly enough to determine sample variation but the other six were all fairly close to the first one I tested.
I've shot with it the last 3 days and find AF is quite good. That was my first concern. I also did not notice any major focus shift or any issues with near - far focus changing. Note, I didn't do microfocus adjustment because I didn't see any need after some quick testing.
Bokeh, as has been noted, isn't the greatest, but it's not awful by any means. But my shooting style at this focal length if I'm looking for bokeh I generally am focusing close with the background far. Most lenses' bokeh looks good like that. I also postprocess a lot -- if I want prettier bokeh I'll make some. But I can't make more resolution. So my priorities are probably different than others.
I don't do the 'better than the other lens' argument much because depending on what you are looking for it may or may not be the best for you. But it certainly gives great value for the money.
BTW - Lensrentals has 8 of the 35 Ls for sale at the moment. My popularity with the sales manager is not good today. Not good at all.
Nov 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM
p.9 #7Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
As Roger said above...the bokeh isn't as good as other 35's, but it's not horrible, either. here is a quick comparison of the same swing(picture from pg 8) of the Sigma vs a Zeiss 35 1.4. The compositon is different, but you can see how smooth the Zeiss is. But, the Sigma is just as sharp, and no CA whatsoever, whereas the Zeiss has some. Hard to tell on these images, since the resizing, but...
Gregg
Sigma [email protected]
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Gregg
Sigma [email protected]
Zeiss [email protected]
Nov 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM
p.9 #8Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
Sigma posted some samples...
http://www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/art/a_35_14/gallery.html
But nothing at f/1.4
http://www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/art/a_35_14/gallery.html
But nothing at f/1.4
Nov 24, 2012 at 12:31 PM
p.9 #9Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
RCicala wrote:
What Edward said, but I'll add a few details.
I got another six copies Friday and tested them. That's not nearly enough to determine sample variation but the other six were all fairly close to the first one I tested.
I've shot with it the last 3 days and find AF is quite good. That was my first concern. I also did not notice any major focus shift or any issues with near - far focus changing. Note, I didn't do microfocus adjustment because I didn't see any need after some quick testing.
Bokeh, as has been noted, isn't the...Show more →
It's safe to say that the Sigma f/1.4 bokeh is a dream next to Canon's 35mm f/2. I'm hoping the new IS version will be a big improvement in this area.
What Edward said, but I'll add a few details.
I got another six copies Friday and tested them. That's not nearly enough to determine sample variation but the other six were all fairly close to the first one I tested.
I've shot with it the last 3 days and find AF is quite good. That was my first concern. I also did not notice any major focus shift or any issues with near - far focus changing. Note, I didn't do microfocus adjustment because I didn't see any need after some quick testing.
Bokeh, as has been noted, isn't the...Show more →
It's safe to say that the Sigma f/1.4 bokeh is a dream next to Canon's 35mm f/2. I'm hoping the new IS version will be a big improvement in this area.
Nov 24, 2012 at 12:33 PM
p.9 #10Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
Greggf wrote:
I actually just got mine today! I don't post too much anymore..just not enough time with two boys, 5 and 1, and a wife that works every other weekend!!
But.. I have had a Zeiss 35 1.4(fantastic lens, no doubt!), 2 Samyang 35 1.4's(another fantastic lens, especially for the price), and currently a Nikon 35 1.4 ai-s lens, all on a Canon 1D4!
In order of quality, I would rate the Samyang as the best overall! The Zeiss was super, super, super sharp from f2 smaller, and very sharp wide open...just suffered from lots of CA! But the bokeh was to...Show more →
I love the first photo of the two kids, with your youngest in focus.
I actually just got mine today! I don't post too much anymore..just not enough time with two boys, 5 and 1, and a wife that works every other weekend!!
But.. I have had a Zeiss 35 1.4(fantastic lens, no doubt!), 2 Samyang 35 1.4's(another fantastic lens, especially for the price), and currently a Nikon 35 1.4 ai-s lens, all on a Canon 1D4!
In order of quality, I would rate the Samyang as the best overall! The Zeiss was super, super, super sharp from f2 smaller, and very sharp wide open...just suffered from lots of CA! But the bokeh was to...Show more →
I love the first photo of the two kids, with your youngest in focus.
Nov 24, 2012 at 12:43 PM
p.9 #11Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
RCicala wrote:
What Edward said, but I'll add a few details.
I got another six copies Friday and tested them. That's not nearly enough to determine sample variation but the other six were all fairly close to the first one I tested.
I've shot with it the last 3 days and find AF is quite good. That was my first concern. I also did not notice any major focus shift or any issues with near - far focus changing. Note, I didn't do microfocus adjustment because I didn't see any need after some quick testing.
Bokeh, as has been noted, isn't the...Show more →
I'd buy one of the 35L's, but used, they are more than a new Sigma! lol. just messing with you.
What Edward said, but I'll add a few details.
I got another six copies Friday and tested them. That's not nearly enough to determine sample variation but the other six were all fairly close to the first one I tested.
I've shot with it the last 3 days and find AF is quite good. That was my first concern. I also did not notice any major focus shift or any issues with near - far focus changing. Note, I didn't do microfocus adjustment because I didn't see any need after some quick testing.
Bokeh, as has been noted, isn't the...Show more →
I'd buy one of the 35L's, but used, they are more than a new Sigma! lol. just messing with you.
Nov 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM
p.9 #13Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
Greggf wrote:
Thank you Robert
I love documenting my son. It's the best feeling.
Thank you Robert
I love documenting my son. It's the best feeling.
Nov 24, 2012 at 01:08 PM
p.9 #14Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
Greggf wrote:
As Roger said above...the bokeh isn't as good as other 35's, but it's not horrible, either. here is a quick comparison of the same swing(picture from pg 8) of the Sigma vs a Zeiss 35 1.4. The compositon is different, but you can see how smooth the Zeiss is. But, the Sigma is just as sharp, and no CA whatsoever, whereas the Zeiss has some. Hard to tell on these images, since the resizing, but...
Gregg
I would not even know which is which, I see no difference.
As Roger said above...the bokeh isn't as good as other 35's, but it's not horrible, either. here is a quick comparison of the same swing(picture from pg 8) of the Sigma vs a Zeiss 35 1.4. The compositon is different, but you can see how smooth the Zeiss is. But, the Sigma is just as sharp, and no CA whatsoever, whereas the Zeiss has some. Hard to tell on these images, since the resizing, but...
Gregg
I would not even know which is which, I see no difference.
Nov 24, 2012 at 04:01 PM
p.9 #15Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
The Zeiss´s bokeh is much smoother, yes. But this lens is twice as expensive as the Sigma and does not offer AF, right?
Nov 24, 2012 at 04:38 PM
p.9 #16Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
Correct Ralph! And the Zeiss weighs quite a bit more, too!!!
Gregg
Gregg
Nov 24, 2012 at 04:57 PM
p.9 #17Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
On the swing pictures, do others agree with me that the Zeiss contrast is far superior? I would go so far as to call the Sigma contrast harsh, at least in that image.
Nov 24, 2012 at 05:59 PM
p.9 #18Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
The background is not really the same in both the pictures and at least part of the difference seems to be related to amount of blur rather than quality of blur. So hard to exactly pass judgement. For this comparison to be more useful, the framing has to be as close to identical as possible.
Nov 24, 2012 at 06:17 PM
p.9 #19Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
Next time plz don't show the answer first. It will be interesting to see the result of everyone's guessing.
The composition is different and for S35 it got a more complicated one with tree and etc. Hard to tell from these two pictures.
The composition is different and for S35 it got a more complicated one with tree and etc. Hard to tell from these two pictures.
Nov 24, 2012 at 07:58 PM
p.9 #20Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM first impressions
Here are a few more taken today. Really starting to like this lens...a lot! The resolution wide open is pretty astounding!!
Roger made a comment on his website about the resolution figures, and this lens shines wide open!! Check out the pics below, all wide open...sorry for pics of our cat, but...if you checkout the fur, you can see what it pulls out.
SOOC .jpgs with default camera sharpening(1D4), and nothing done in LR except a 10% crop on the sper pic on the left hand side.
Roger....Using the resolution figures from your first lens, vs the others, how do the numbers correlate to sharpness, as far as the eye can tell?? the higher the number is better, but what numerical value makes lens A sharper than lens B? For the naked eye to notice? I know you said something in your 50mm shootout back in January, concerning the same thing...
Gregg
@robert...I love documenting my son. It's the best feeling.
It's about all I shoot these days! And I agree!!
check out the corner/edge performance!
I think Duncan has had enough picture taking!!
Roger made a comment on his website about the resolution figures, and this lens shines wide open!! Check out the pics below, all wide open...sorry for pics of our cat, but...if you checkout the fur, you can see what it pulls out.
SOOC .jpgs with default camera sharpening(1D4), and nothing done in LR except a 10% crop on the sper pic on the left hand side.
Roger....Using the resolution figures from your first lens, vs the others, how do the numbers correlate to sharpness, as far as the eye can tell?? the higher the number is better, but what numerical value makes lens A sharper than lens B? For the naked eye to notice? I know you said something in your 50mm shootout back in January, concerning the same thing...
Gregg
@robert...I love documenting my son. It's the best feeling.
It's about all I shoot these days! And I agree!!
check out the corner/edge performance!
I think Duncan has had enough picture taking!!
Nov 24, 2012 at 08:14 PM