douglasf13 wrote: carstenw wrotesuper_paws, do you have a Sony A99?Between the A77, Nex-5n and Nex-7 users, there is a wealth of experience in these forums using the current Sony EVF tech and manual lenses. No experience with the A99 required, although I've read that the A99's EVF performance may be slightly improved over these cameras.
Well, I disagree in principle. I don't feel that anyone should recommend a camera with which they have no personal experience. At best the handed down knowledge is second- (or third-...) hand, in the worst case it is wrong. If the A99 is great, then someone who *does* have experience with it will recommend it.
wfrank wrote: cogitech wrotewfrank wrote...and possibly best of all, a half press of shutter gives instant magnification of the full screen.Sounds great as long one desires the plane of sharpest focus to land in the centre of the photograph, however the vast majority of time this is not the case. Perhaps the point is to recompose after focusing, but then how do you recompose while "zoomed"? Forgive me if I am missing something, but that feature sounds like it would be infuriating.You dont have to turn in on.
But if you do you can select what portion of the screen that gets magnified - and you'll use the joystick to move it. But in the case you're talking about - I am assuming fast lens pretty open & closish subjects - I would use the OVF/fast matte.
Makes sense. I can see the feature being handy for slower work with subjects incapable of impatience (landscape, macro...) however, those situations already have good, simple solutions for critical focus.
carstenw wrote: douglasf13 wrotecarstenw wrotesuper_paws, do you have a Sony A99?Between the A77, Nex-5n and Nex-7 users, there is a wealth of experience in these forums using the current Sony EVF tech and manual lenses. No experience with the A99 required, although I've read that the A99's EVF performance may be slightly improved over these cameras.Well, I disagree in principle. I don't feel that anyone should recommend a camera with which they have no personal experience. At best the handed down knowledge is second- (or third-...) hand, in the worst case it is wrong. If the A99 is great, then someone who *does* have experience with it will recommend it.
I hear you, but the thrust of this thread is manual focusing, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend trying the A99 for manual focusing, since I have experience using the same focusing system in a couple of cameras. In fact, as a former A900 owner, I'd recommend trying the A99 over the A900, as far as manual focusing is concerned, and the A900 + matte screen is supposedly one of the best DSLRs out there for manual focusing. Peaking is faster for fast shooting, and magnification is more accurate for slow shooting.
Now, if we were talking autofocusing, I'd surely not recommend the A99, as I have no idea how well that system works.
douglasf13 wrote: carstenw wrotedouglasf13 wrotecarstenw wrotesuper_paws, do you have a Sony A99?Between the A77, Nex-5n and Nex-7 users, there is a wealth of experience in these forums using the current Sony EVF tech and manual lenses. No experience with the A99 required, although I've read that the A99's EVF performance may be slightly improved over these cameras.Well, I disagree in principle. I don't feel that anyone should recommend a camera with which they have no personal experience. At best the handed down knowledge is second- (or third-...) hand, in the worst case it is wrong. If the A99 is great, then someone who *does* have experience with it will recommend it.I hear you, but the thrust of this thread is manual focusing, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend trying the A99 for manual focusing, since I have experience using the same focusing system in a couple of cameras. In fact, as a former A900 owner, I'd recommend trying the A99 over the A900, as far as manual focusing is concerned, and the A900 + matte screen is supposedly one of the best DSLRs out there for manual focusing. Peaking is faster for fast shooting, and magnification is more accurate for slow shooting.
Now, if we were talking autofocusing, I'd surely not recommend the A99, as I have no idea how well that system works. ...Show more →
my recollection is that the OP had the NEX-7 and found it more difficult to manual focus adapted lenses stopped down than his d700 (due to the difference between focusing wide open versus focusing at shooting aperture), so i would hesitate to recommend the a99.
Sebboh, you are right about EVF focus. I have exact same problem with it once slow down the lens.
Today, My daughter has Halloween parade in school, I bring my new acquired 50lux with me, once she sit/stand there, I can get almost 80% nailed WO, but once she moved, It is horrible. (Though I did try f2.8 sometimes) The auto aperture looks like so important once slow down the lens. I should bring AF in this case maybe.
Douglas, Why you would recommend A900 over 5dII for manual focus? is something special bout its focus screen?
zhangyue wrote:
Douglas, Why you would recommend A900 over 5dII for manual focus? is something special bout its focus screen?
The A900 has the best viewfinder of any DSLR, thus far. It is larger and brighter than the 5Dii's OVF, although they're not THAT far off, in my limited use of the 5Dii. Sony thought that building the best OVF in a DSLR, along with image stabilization, would bring people to the A900, but it seems people were more interested in video at the time.
sebboh wrote: douglasf13 wrotecarstenw wrotedouglasf13 wrotecarstenw wrotesuper_paws, do you have a Sony A99?Between the A77, Nex-5n and Nex-7 users, there is a wealth of experience in these forums using the current Sony EVF tech and manual lenses. No experience with the A99 required, although I've read that the A99's EVF performance may be slightly improved over these cameras.Well, I disagree in principle. I don't feel that anyone should recommend a camera with which they have no personal experience. At best the handed down knowledge is second- (or third-...) hand, in the worst case it is wrong. If the A99 is great, then someone who *does* have experience with it will recommend it.I hear you, but the thrust of this thread is manual focusing, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend trying the A99 for manual focusing, since I have experience using the same focusing system in a couple of cameras. In fact, as a former A900 owner, I'd recommend trying the A99 over the A900, as far as manual focusing is concerned, and the A900 + matte screen is supposedly one of the best DSLRs out there for manual focusing. Peaking is faster for fast shooting, and magnification is more accurate for slow shooting.
Now, if we were talking autofocusing, I'd surely not recommend the A99, as I have no idea how well that system works.my recollection is that the OP had the NEX-7 and found it more difficult to manual focus adapted lenses stopped down than his d700 (due to the difference between focusing wide open versus focusing at shooting aperture), so i would hesitate to recommend the a99.
douglasf13 wrote: zhangyue wroteDouglas, Why you would recommend A900 over 5dII for manual focus? is something special bout its focus screen?The A900 has the best viewfinder of any DSLR, thus far. It is larger and brighter than the 5Dii's OVF, although they're not THAT far off, in my limited use of the 5Dii. Sony thought that building the best OVF in a DSLR, along with image stabilization, would bring people to the A900, but it seems people were more interested in video at the time.
douglasf13 wrote: zhangyue wroteDouglas, Why you would recommend A900 over 5dII for manual focus? is something special bout its focus screen?The A900 has the best viewfinder of any DSLR, thus far. It is larger and brighter than the 5Dii's OVF, although they're not THAT far off, in my limited use of the 5Dii. Sony thought that building the best OVF in a DSLR, along with image stabilization, would bring people to the A900, but it seems people were more interested in video at the time.
If it werent for the EVF I would be much interested in the A99, among other things because of the IBIS. Canons AF lenses talk about "how many stops" a lens IS helps (for static subjects/stills). Later generations claim 3-4 steps. I have one of the celebrated 70-200 IS lenses, and I would agree to a Canon claim of 3 stops.
How would IBIS (latest Sony generation) compare, do they talk "stops" at all? Anyone that can shed some light about real-world usage?
U.C. wrote: douglasf13 wrotezhangyue wroteDouglas, Why you would recommend A900 over 5dII for manual focus? is something special bout its focus screen?The A900 has the best viewfinder of any DSLR, thus far. It is larger and brighter than the 5Dii's OVF, although they're not THAT far off, in my limited use of the 5Dii. Sony thought that building the best OVF in a DSLR, along with image stabilization, would bring people to the A900, but it seems people were more interested in video at the time.The 1Ds3 (and 1Dx) viewfinder is slightly bigger.
Ever so slightly bigger, yes, but not as clear/bright and distortion free. I'd say the a900's OVF has the slight edge. It certainly has the edge in the non-pro camera category.
wfrank wrote:
If it werent for the EVF I would be much interested in the A99, among other things because of the IBIS. Canons AF lenses talk about "how many stops" a lens IS helps (for static subjects/stills). Later generations claim 3-4 steps. I have one of the celebrated 70-200 IS lenses, and I would agree to a Canon claim of 3 stops.
How would IBIS (latest Sony generation) compare, do they talk "stops" at all? Anyone that can shed some light about real-world usage?
Sony also talks "stops," but, like with weathersealing claims from all manufacturers, it is pretty nebulous and difficult to test.
douglasf13 wrote: wfrank wroteIf it werent for the EVF I would be much interested in the A99, among other things because of the IBIS. Canons AF lenses talk about "how many stops" a lens IS helps (for static subjects/stills). Later generations claim 3-4 steps. I have one of the celebrated 70-200 IS lenses, and I would agree to a Canon claim of 3 stops.
How would IBIS (latest Sony generation) compare, do they talk "stops" at all? Anyone that can shed some light about real-world usage?Sony also talks "stops," but, like with weathersealing claims from all manufacturers, it is pretty nebulous and difficult to test.
i haven't spent any significant time with the a900 so i can't comment on it directly, but i got about 2 stops out of the sony IBIS on the a55 and it was a bit worse on super telephoto lengths versus normal focal lengths. in contrast i got 3-4 stops at all focal lengths on oly's 4/3 (not m4/3) IBIS all the way up to 800mm equivalent focal lengths. these are just single data points though, so it's possible IBIS on my a55 wasn't up to snuff.
The A900 also offers the M screen, which is better than the E*-S screens from Canon for manual focus of fast lenses (it's both brighter and has better snap). As such I agree, the A900 offers the best OVF of any DSLR for manual focus.
U.C. wrote: douglasf13 wrotezhangyue wroteDouglas, Why you would recommend A900 over 5dII for manual focus? is something special bout its focus screen?The A900 has the best viewfinder of any DSLR, thus far. It is larger and brighter than the 5Dii's OVF, although they're not THAT far off, in my limited use of the 5Dii. Sony thought that building the best OVF in a DSLR, along with image stabilization, would bring people to the A900, but it seems people were more interested in video at the time.The 1Ds3 (and 1Dx) viewfinder is slightly bigger.
Not by much, and the presentation feels more tunnel-like than that of a900. The M screen on the a900 is also a cleaner, crisper view than the Canon S.
To Douglas' point, I don't know how many sales they lost to video, but I know of quite a few they lost to the lack of live view at a time when every other FF was getting it. The a99 may be overcompensating on both features, but I'm very excited to try it.
sebboh wrote: douglasf13 wrotewfrank wroteIf it werent for the EVF I would be much interested in the A99, among other things because of the IBIS. Canons AF lenses talk about "how many stops" a lens IS helps (for static subjects/stills). Later generations claim 3-4 steps. I have one of the celebrated 70-200 IS lenses, and I would agree to a Canon claim of 3 stops.
How would IBIS (latest Sony generation) compare, do they talk "stops" at all? Anyone that can shed some light about real-world usage?Sony also talks "stops," but, like with weathersealing claims from all manufacturers, it is pretty nebulous and difficult to test.i haven't spent any significant time with the a900 so i can't comment on it directly, but i got about 2 stops out of the sony IBIS on the a55 and it was a bit worse on super telephoto lengths versus normal focal lengths. in contrast i got 3-4 stops at all focal lengths on oly's 4/3 (not m4/3) IBIS all the way up to 800mm equivalent focal lengths. these are just single data points though, so it's possible IBIS on my a55 wasn't up to snuff.
I can consistently get three stops 60mm and below at any focus distance. Above that to about 200mm, it's 1-2. Past that, I turn off steady shot and use instant stability on a stick (monopod) at least, if not a tri and a gimbal.
freaklikeme wrote:
To Douglas' point, I don't know how many sales they lost to video, but I know of quite a few they lost to the lack of live view at a time when every other FF was getting it. The a99 may be overcompensating on both features, but I'm very excited to try it.
As an A mount shooter, LV is the sole reason I don't own an A900/A850. As impressed as I am with the A99, the A900 would cover my needs for a DSLR if it had LV, since it would be tripod-bound anyways (I'm in no hurry to give up my NEX-7 as my everyday carry camera).
I think I still have 20/20, or I will build my AF lens collection. Use MF on D700 is huge waste, I paid full price but maybe used only 50% for its function. That is my plan, enjoy this MF as much as I can at the time I still can see, think, and act pretty fast.
IF not, I will.
How about you? You do that for MF?
Another quick question for Canon 5DII user, How AUTOISO implemented? Especially with Non-Cpu Manual lens?