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Archive 2012 · 70mm f/2.8/4 comps, three 24-70 II, tam 28-75, 70-300L

  
 
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p.1 #1 · 70mm f/2.8/4 comps, three 24-70 II, tam 28-75, 70-300L


Best of 7-9 10x liveview focusing attempts each, tripod, stable lighting, etc.

(I definitely note copy variation for 24-70 II copies, center frame 70mm near f/2.8 as well as how they place DOF around the main focal point, each copy looks different. On the plus side, all copies still seem to be better than other such lenses, copy variation notwithstanding. The best 24-70 II at 70mm f/2.8 vs the worst does seem to me to be well into the quite noticeable territory as do where DOF gets placed. But then again even the worst at 70mm f/2.8 is still better than a good copy of the Tamron 28-75mm and probably as good as a typical 70-200 f/4 IS at 70mm f/4. The best 24-70 II at 70mm f/2.8 are crazy there in the center of the frame, I mean clearly beating 70-300L set to 70mm f/4 already when the 24-70 II is wide open at f/2.8 and keep in mind my 70-300L beat two Tamron 70-300 VC at 70mm f/4 and a 70-200 f/4 IS at 70mm f/4 copy so that is really just amazing performance for 70mm f/2.8, I bet it must be at least a match for the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II at 70mm f/2.8 center frame (the 24-70 II do fade more toward the very far edges than the 70-200/300s I think though, although I didn't check the uber copy there).

Anyway what I've seen (and read) doesn't seem to match the Lens Rentals test where they found ultra low copy variation, maybe they got a a tightly coupled batch or Canon knew who that early bunch were going to an hand calibrated each?

But then again, as I said, all that not withstanding, all the copies still, overall, seem to be the best standard zoom performance and all handily beat others in at least quite a few aspects.)

Anyway I rate them (all wide open, f/2.8 or f4, depending upon the lens):
1. 24-70 II Copy N
better than
2. 24-70 II Copy A
a bit better than
3. 70-300L (at f/4)
even moreso better than
3. 24-70 II Copy O
better than
4. a good copy of the Tamron 28-75

(in the past I found the 70-300L copy above better than two Tamron 70-300 VC and even more noticeably better than a 70-200 f/4 IS, the latter was definitely better than the Tamrons at all other focal lengths though)

So two of them do VERY, VERY well near center frame, 70mm, wide open, one doing truly insanely well. The does fine there but nothing amazing for a top lens, not poor though, clearly not uber like the one in particular though, difference definitely can be seen.

Edited on Oct 13, 2012 at 03:06 AM · View previous versions



Oct 13, 2012 at 02:27 AM
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p.1 #2 · 70mm f/2.8/4 comps, three 24-70 II, tam 28-75, 70-300L


200% crops (the bills were far away and it also helps make sure jpg compression, level 12 anyway, has no bearing)
differences are seen in the micro-contrast crispness, do you get dark contrasts on fine lines next to white areas and better pop or not, you can also notice effective differences between what each lens calls 70mm (or the Tamron calls 75mm by comparing the sizes of the bills, target bills were maybe 18' away or so)
1. 24-70 II Copy N:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8327/8082002857_bd58157188_o.jpg
2. 24-70 II Copy A:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8052/8081997116_a41be3112c_o.jpg
3. 70-300L:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8081997216_7d1e2af269_o.jpg
4. 24-70 II Copy O:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8196/8082002773_bffd0e0361_o.jpg
5. Tamron 28-75:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8056/8081996868_a90d1a8fb7_o.jpg

A 100 bill is even better for tests, as seen in all my other tests, due to the detail and patterns on the back and since banks often give you mint copies of those, but well after getting the 24-70 II, these bills were all that is left in the bank hah.


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Oct 13, 2012 at 02:27 AM
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p.1 #3 · 70mm f/2.8/4 comps, three 24-70 II, tam 28-75, 70-300L


It's hard to tell them apart above. You need to save the image and then flip between them. Also the above has each copy slightly worse going down so the difference between two adjacent copies is not so much, comparing say #1 to #4 makes things a lot more apparent.



Oct 13, 2012 at 02:29 AM
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p.1 #4 · 70mm f/2.8/4 comps, three 24-70 II, tam 28-75, 70-300L


Micro contrast at 70mm f/2.8 center frame on Copy N (image #1) above is truly astonishing! I mean that is just crazy for wide open.
Even for Copy A (image #2) it is still VERY impressive!
For Copy O it's not shockingly good or anything, but it's actually still quite good for 70mm f/2.8, better than most things absolutely for sure.



Oct 13, 2012 at 02:32 AM
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p.1 #5 · 70mm f/2.8/4 comps, three 24-70 II, tam 28-75, 70-300L


To be honest, your test didn't show very much. At 200% they all look pretty bad. I have to ask why is the Tamron in this comparison at all. Like comparing a VW Bettle and a BMW M5.


Oct 13, 2012 at 03:37 AM
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p.1 #6 · 70mm f/2.8/4 comps, three 24-70 II, tam 28-75, 70-300L


m3incorp wrote:
To be honest, your test didn't show very much. At 200% they all look pretty bad. I have to ask why is the Tamron in this comparison at all. Like comparing a VW Bettle and a BMW M5.


It is there because it was an available 70mm f/2.8 reference. And don't think the Tamrons are always worse, my Tamron 28-75 is in many ways better than any of the three 24-105 I've tried. My Tamron 17-50 2.8 was better than more expensive 17-40L (I sold the L).

If you save the images and flip them you can see a pretty clear difference between the micro-contrast pop and bite of the best 24-70 II and worst, for instance. The latter copy looks faded out and doesn't make the darker lines nearly so stark.

It's a relative comparison, made to make that easiest to see and without introducing jpg artifacts into the equation. Trust me, those first few at the top produce VERY good results at 70mm center frame and the one 24-70 II is just utterly stunning, truly amazing peformance, the micro-contrast bite is just crazy for f/2.8, and they do not produce bad results.



Oct 13, 2012 at 01:54 PM
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p.1 #7 · 70mm f/2.8/4 comps, three 24-70 II, tam 28-75, 70-300L


skibum5 wrote:
"A 100 bill is even better for tests, as seen in all my other tests........."

If you'd use $2500 bill that you paid for it, including taxes, it would even look better : -)))

But seriously, this is an undepriced lens. I'm pondering if I should keep 24 II TSE and ZE 50 Macro. Those salivating and hopping the price will drop, just a little, should grab it before all migthy dollar is devalued. This zoom will be the most popular lens in the Canon line up among the best ones.



Oct 13, 2012 at 02:48 PM





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