p.8 #2 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
Beni wrote:
From an interview with Nikon on DPReview:
What's your opinion of the Canon EOS 6D? You must have been looking at it pretty closely?
I cannot really comment much on competitive models, but if you look at the concept of the 6D, I think Canon has a different approach to us. With the D600 we are really concentrating on the photographic features and we're trying to give the best photographic package that we can. We've seen a lot of cameras with full-frame sensors released in the past ten days but my feeling is that all of them - the 6D, Sony's A99 and RX1 - all have a different approach, and represent a different concept to ours.
We are really concentrating on delivering something for the photo enthusiast - so for example it was important to include a 100% viewfinder, a good AF system with enough cross-type AF points, the ability to shoot with teleconverters and still focus at F8, a built-in flash… also, you can use the D600's flash as a commander in Nikon's Creative Lighting System. That is we've been asked for by our customers. And our 'want to be' customers.
Or in other words, shame we're locked into Canon to be honest. At a given price segment Nikon are interested in delivering, Canon in crippling. I've got a feeling Canon have become the Nikon of the pre D700/D3 era, deaf, dumb and blind but most of all, not listening to anything other than the echoes in their own minds. I'm not sure it will be Nikon but rather Sony who will make them rue that policy in the long run.
What is interesting is that they get away with it due to huge market penetration. I teach a photography class in an art school in Jerusalem. All US students on a year out. This year, every single DSLR apart from one is a Canon. That tells me a lot about Canon's market penetration in the US....Show more →
Most of us know that Canon goes against the other MFG who has a lot more of camera for their fair offer. Canon milking process will end up loosing more market share in the future. Just for FM Canon board survey alone speaks for itself: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1150711/0#10980513
p.8 #4 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
gdanmitchell wrote:
Yes. The Nikon rep is always the best source of accurate and unbiased information about Canon, Sony, and Pentax. Uh, huh... ;-)
Dan, you have your point there but it seem most onsite review has posted the same thing. Here is the quote from dpreview:
"Overall, though, it's difficult to shake the feeling that the EOS 6D simply lacks the 'wow' factor of its main rival. Whereas Nikon seems to have taken the approach of taking away as little as possible from D800 when creating the D600, Canon appears almost to have gone the other way, removing as much as it thinks it can get away with at the price. The result is the kind of conservative, slightly unimaginative design that's become the company's hallmark."
p.8 #5 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
It is a cheap camera, so how is having a lesser AF system crippling? And how is that an admission? It is a fact in the specs. That's like complaining about a $30K family sedan being crippled because it does not have a V12.
p.8 #6 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
EB-1 wrote:
It is a cheap camera, so how is having a lesser AF system crippling? And how is that an admission? It is a fact in the specs. That's like complaining about a $30K family sedan being crippled because it does not have a V12.
EBH
Perhaps you're right, but in this case, they decided to give that $30k family sedan a 1.6L in-line 4 cylinder N/A engine albeit with a Direct Injection (vertical line sensitive f/2.8). To top it up, it has a badly designed C-pillar increasing blind spot (97% VF coverage) and an Electronic Stability Control that only works on one side of the car (single axis electronic level) as well as no high beam (pop-up flash). That $30k doesn't seem very attractive anymore does it?
If we weren't tied up to any lens system, I really doubt Canon can get away with it. Just as no car manufacturers could get away with selling us half assed cars, eg. Saab. lol
p.8 #7 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
Mike Mohrmann wrote:
Interesting. I've had the D700 for almost four years, and if I were interested in replacing it, I would likely choose the 5D3 over the D800/D800E (I shot with Canon film SLRs for 12 years and their digital SLRs for another year, so no stranger to Canon). I guess from a sensor standpoint I could see your reasoning. But there are features and capabilities of the 5D3 that I find to be a positive over the D800. The one area that is a bit of a letdown is the pricing of the 5D3.
Having just lost a job I held for 30 years earlier this month, I won't be in position to make any changes for the time being. I guess life could be worse than being saddled with the D700....Show more →
Don't get me wrong, I'm very, very happy with my 5D3; I just have read enough credible reviews (as opposed to whining) which seem to show that the D800 sensor has better dynamic range than my 5D3. I like dynamic range, even more than great autofocus. But I was very happy with my 5D2, so it's not too surprising that I'm even happier with my 5D3.
As invested as I am in Canon glass, I wouldn't even consider a Nikon body; unlike those who seem only to be able to see what they deem to be unforgivable shortcomings in the Canon bodies, I know that they (like their Nikon counterparts) are very fine tools; I've not wasted any time or energy on the fact that my 5D3 would fully relegate my 7D to backup status if it had just a few more megapixels and 7fps, being more interested in taking photos with this very fine tool.
Unlike those around here who see their glass as 1/10 empty (as opposed to 90% full), I think that we are in remarkable golden age of photography, with a dizzying array of attractive choices for all budgets and needs. I won't be spending a lot of time griping that Canon won't sell me a camera with all the capabilities of the 1DX for US$1200....
p.8 #8 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
n0b0 wrote:
Perhaps you're right, but in this case, they decided to give that $30k family sedan a 1.6L in-line 4 cylinder N/A engine albeit with a Direct Injection (vertical line sensitive f/2.8). To top it up, it has a badly designed C-pillar increasing blind spot (97% VF coverage) and an Electronic Stability Control that only works on one side of the car (single axis electronic level) as well as no high beam (pop-up flash). That $30k doesn't seem very attractive anymore does it?
If we weren't tied up to any lens system, I really doubt Canon can get away with it. Just as no car manufacturers could get away with selling us half assed cars, eg. Saab. lol...Show more →
So what is your problem? Is anyone forcing you to buy either the camera or the car
p.8 #9 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
StarNut wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm very, very happy with my 5D3; I just have read enough credible reviews (as opposed to whining) which seem to show that the D800 sensor has better dynamic range than my 5D3. I like dynamic range, even more than great autofocus. But I was very happy with my 5D2, so it's not too surprising that I'm even happier with my 5D3.
As invested as I am in Canon glass, I wouldn't even consider a Nikon body; unlike those who seem only to be able to see what they deem to be unforgivable shortcomings in the Canon bodies, I know that they (like their Nikon counterparts) are very fine tools; I've not wasted any time or energy on the fact that my 5D3 would fully relegate my 7D to backup status if it had just a few more megapixels and 7fps, being more interested in taking photos with this very fine tool.
Unlike those around here who see their glass as 1/10 empty (as opposed to 90% full), I think that we are in remarkable golden age of photography, with a dizzying array of attractive choices for all budgets and needs. I won't be spending a lot of time griping that Canon won't sell me a camera with all the capabilities of the 1DX for US$1200.... ...Show more →
Instead you'll spend your time griping about people who gripe. Now that makes a lot of sense.
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Imagemaster wrote:
So what is your problem? Is anyone forcing you to buy either the camera or the car
Did I do something to you? If I offended you in anyway then I'm sorry, whatever it was that I said to hurt your feelings, it wasn't intentional.
This camera's specs is my problem. It creates a conumdrum for me. It's within my budget, it has FF sensor which is what I want, and yet its features are crippled which annoys me to no end, because unlike a car, I'm tied to a lens system so I can't just look for the alternative camera from other brands. Perhaps when the price has gone down quite a bit I might consider buying it but for now, I'm just gonna keep bitching about it and NOT buy it. If you don't like that, well... That's just too bad isn't it? Because there's nothing you can do about it other than to ignore my posts.
p.8 #13 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
n0b0 wrote:
Did I do something to you? If I offended you in anyway then I'm sorry, whatever it was that I said to hurt your feelings, it wasn't intentional.
This camera's specs is my problem. It creates a conumdrum for me. It's within my budget, it has FF sensor which is what I want, and yet its features are crippled which annoys me to no end, because unlike a car, I'm tied to a lens system so I can't just look for the alternative camera from other brands. Perhaps when the price has gone down quite a bit I might consider buying it but for now, I'm just gonna keep bitching about it and NOT buy it. If you don't like that, well... That's just too bad isn't it? Because there's nothing you can do about it other than to ignore my posts. ...Show more →
N0b0, good on you. I don't understand people who come into a thread that they don't agree with and bitch about it. If people don't want to keep reading about all this 6d bitching...then for christs sake, stop reading these threads.
Hey doc it hurts when indo this. Well don't do that then.
p.8 #14 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
chez wrote:
N0b0, good on you. I don't understand people who come into a thread that they don't agree with and bitch about it. If people don't want to keep reading about all this 6d bitching...then for christs sake, stop reading these threads.
Hey doc it hurts when indo this. Well don't do that then.
Unbelievable...
Yeah, about as unbelievable as adults who spend real time and energy, in thread after thread bitching about a camera nobody's forcing them to buy.
p.8 #16 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
Don Clary wrote:
The 5DII, in AI Servo, has six additional sensors, two of which are cross sensors. So in AI Servo, it has 7 times as many central sensors, and 3 times as many cross sensors, compared to the 6D.
You may want to read Pet's comments about the additional 6 AF points.
p.8 #17 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
Yakim Peled wrote:
I don't get it. If they think that AF is not very important for 6D users why not just use the one from the 20D? After all, they used it in the 5D and 5D2.
Because the 6D AF may actually be better than the one in 5D and 5D2?
Also, if the D600 AF uses the exact same D7000 AF sensor, it may very well be a bane than a blessing. If the D7000 AF sensor is already unreliable on an APS-C camera, I can't image how it'll perform on a FF camera which has a much shallower depth of field.
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StarNut wrote:
Yeah, about as unbelievable as adults who spend real time and energy, in thread after thread bitching about a camera nobody's forcing them to buy.
Correction. A camera that I really want but forced to NOT buy.
p.8 #19 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
chez wrote:
N0b0, good on you. I don't understand people who come into a thread that they don't agree with and bitch about it. If people don't want to keep reading about all this 6d bitching...then for christs sake, stop reading these threads.
p.8 #20 · Canon finally honest and openly admit AF crippling
n0b0 wrote:
This camera's specs is my problem. It creates a conumdrum for me. It's within my budget, it has FF sensor which is what I want, and yet its features are crippled which annoys me to no end, because unlike a car, I'm tied to a lens system so I can't just look for the alternative camera from other brands. Perhaps when the price has gone down quite a bit I might consider buying it but for now, I'm just gonna keep bitching about it and NOT buy it. If you don't like that, well... That's just too bad isn't it? Because there's nothing you can do about it other than to ignore my posts. ...Show more →
Well I just happen not to understand your lack of logic. So what if the camera's specs are your problem? Who cares? Certainly not Canon. It is simply another model and not necessarily a replacement or improvement of other models. It has no crippled features. It is certainly not Canon's fault that you can't find a model that suits your needs. Nearly everyone else can.
Perhaps you can get them to custom-build a model just for you. Otherwise, just keep up your bitching if that makes you happy.
