I find it KIND of hilarious that Leica, maybe the most classical company of them all still in the camera business (Zeiss is older and more blue-blood, but only makes lenses in reality now) now uses sensor technology almost two full generations newer that the top-of-the line Canon 1Dx... :-)
theSuede wrote:
I find it KIND of hilarious that Leica, maybe the most classical company of them all still in the camera business (Zeiss is older and more blue-blood, but only makes lenses in reality now) now uses sensor technology almost two full generations newer that the top-of-the line Canon 1Dx... :-)
How is that hilarious? If you want to become the oldest camera manufacturer alive, you need to keep at the forefront of technology. Nothing paradoxical about it. Ford's still in business and every now and then they come up with something the rest haven't.
Not that have the slightest clue how you came to the conclusion that they have a sensor 2 gen ahead of 1Dx, but never mind.
theSuede wrote:
I find it KIND of hilarious that Leica, maybe the most classical company of them all still in the camera business (Zeiss is older and more blue-blood, but only makes lenses in reality now) now uses sensor technology almost two full generations newer that the top-of-the line Canon 1Dx... :-)
Rodluvan wrote:
How is that hilarious? If you want to become the oldest camera manufacturer alive, you need to keep at the forefront of technology. Nothing paradoxical about it. Ford's still in business and every now and then they come up with something the rest haven't.
Not that have the slightest clue how you came to the conclusion that they have a sensor 2 gen ahead of 1Dx, but never mind.
Well, the previous "top-of-the-line" camera, the M9, was mostly 2002-technology. It's basically the same as the Olympus E-1 in electronic structure, and the mechanics are from the early 50's.
Saying that Leica has EVER been at the forefront of anything except market manipulation and customer hypnosis is very close to an outright lie.
The sensor fab comparison is from just comparing the metal and fabrication resolution for an FF sensor. 300mm wafer 110nm processes for FF is stuff Canon sensor IP developers can only dream about.
theSuede wrote:
Saying that Leica has EVER been at the forefront of anything except market manipulation and customer hypnosis is very close to an outright lie.
Funny, but obviously not correct. And you did miss a glaring example: optical design, and specifically aspherical lens design.
What can one say except well done Leica? Once it is available, I'll be getting rid of all my DSLRs and other camera systems as well as all non-M lenses. This is really the camera I've been waiting for The price level was a pleasant surprise as well.
theSuede wrote:
Well, the previous "top-of-the-line" camera, the M9, was mostly 2002-technology. It's basically the same as the Olympus E-1 in electronic structure, and the mechanics are from the early 50's.
Saying that Leica has EVER been at the forefront of anything except market manipulation and customer hypnosis is very close to an outright lie.
The sensor fab comparison is from just comparing the metal and fabrication resolution for an FF sensor. 300mm wafer 110nm processes for FF is stuff Canon sensor IP developers can only dream about.
A little thing like first range finder and small format film camera comes to mind, not to mention the lens technology that is arguably the best in the world. Leica have been stumbling into the digital era, no doubt, but that does not eradicate their previous achievements.
denoir wrote:
What can one say except well done Leica? Once it is available, I'll be getting rid of all my DSLRs and other camera systems as well as all non-M lenses. This is really the camera I've been waiting for The price level was a pleasant surprise as well.
Being almost neighbours drop me a pm if you're selling stuff. Unless your dslr stuff is canon (as I have nikon).
denoir wrote:
What can one say except well done Leica? Once it is available, I'll be getting rid of all my DSLRs and other camera systems as well as all non-M lenses. This is really the camera I've been waiting for
Well we're all different, that's for sure. I can say that I'm underwhelmed (again) and my 11 Leica lenses will continue on my three Leica film bodies and NEX-7. The Leica glass is great and it's just as well the bodies don't matter too much. Someone on the very first page of this thread said that Leica should stop embarrassing themselves and only make lenses like Zeiss and I'm beginning to think that may be a valid point of view.
So, you think Leica should add more field curvature, smudgy corners and gnarly boke? That is surely an opinion, but not one I share. Zeiss makes great lenses, and I love mine (I have about 10), but none of them can touch the 21SE, 28 Cron, 50 Lux ASPH and 90 Cron ASPH, IMO.
peter_n wrote:
Well we're all different, that's for sure. I can say that I'm underwhelmed (again) and my 11 Leica lenses will continue on my three Leica film bodies and NEX-7. The Leica glass is great and it's just as well the bodies don't matter too much. Someone on the very first page of this thread said that Leica should stop embarrassing themselves and only make lenses like Zeiss and I'm beginning to think that may be a valid point of view.
Just out of curiosity, what is it u miss? As far as I can see they put all the gadgets in the M body people were shouting about, and also kept a pure rangefinder next to it in production.
peter_n wrote:
Someone on the very first page of this thread said that Leica should stop embarrassing themselves and only make lenses like Zeiss and I'm beginning to think that may be a valid point of view.
With all due respect, this is hilarious! Leica have made the first digital FF RF in history, and now, they make the first FF mirrorless body in history complete with LV, focus peaking, EVF, and an optical rangefinder on the top of that. This is something even crazy Sony didn't dare to do.
Sorry, Edward, I cannot see how they make "now" the first FF mirrorless. If the M is such a design, then the M9 was the same, as far as FF mirrorless go, and should be recognized as the first one.
denoir wrote:
What can one say except well done Leica? Once it is available, I'll be getting rid of all my DSLRs and other camera systems as well as all non-M lenses. This is really the camera I've been waiting for The price level was a pleasant surprise as well.
edwardkaraa wrote:
With all due respect, this is hilarious! Leica have made the first digital FF RF in history, and now, they make the first FF mirrorless body in history complete with LV, focus peaking, EVF, and an optical rangefinder on the top of that. This is something even crazy Sony didn't dare to do.
Agreed.
I've done my share of Leica bashing over the years but this new M is sweet. A FF mirrorless digital camera without the focus and lens limitations of a typical rangefinder. Its a revolutionary achievement. Bravo Leica.
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The price level was a pleasant surprise as well.