yeah, the Alpa stuff is very pricey once you factor in the cost of adding a back/sensor but it's addressing an extremely small, niche market...which, stating so in a LEICA thread says a lot!
But thats only the body. and that new body is way more complicated with an own shutter. So I'm afraid its not as "cheap" as the 12 TC.
If I complete that 12TC as shown on the website, It adds 820 euro for the wood grip, 3000 to 4000 for a Schneider lens, 1200 for the viewfinder, Lets say 500 for extra's as adapters, shutter release cord ect.
So total of about 7000 or 8000 euro. When using a film back its not even that more expensive as an M9P or M. But adding that Phase one IQ180 back makes it a total different story unfortunately.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Regarding the new naming scheme ie M Type 240, I couldn't help but be reminded that Zeiss once used a similar naming scheme when they made cameras long ago, such as the various Zeiss Ikon Ikonta's:
Zeiss definitely have a longer history. Oskar Barnack was working for Zeiss before he joined Leica in 1912 or thereabouts. Imagine if he would have stayed at Zeiss to develop his 35mm camera, there may be a Ur-Zeiss instead of Ur-Leica
joe88 wrote:
Thanks, Ron I read the review earlier on and it was very informative especially with 25fps and mic volume adjustments on the new M. As for the mic add on, I would have preferred to use my Rode mics which have a built in cold shoe mount. The rebadged Oly adapter although it has a mic input jack, does not have a separate cold shoe mount, which means that I have to rig up the M if I wanted to use a Rode or other mic on the Leica. Also in LUF some of the pro video crowd seems to think that the Leica M won't be suitable for video as most of the M lenses has short focus throw and that R lenses seems to be more suitable. Let see what accessories will eventually come up, would be interesting....Show more →
I'm also curious how the lack of AA filter will affect video image quality, which from my understanding for video, is not what you want (not having an AA filter). There's also the question of coded lens correction - is it applied to video as well? I would guess so. Anyway, I suspect most here interested in the new M consider video a rather low priority. For $3K that new Black Magic Cinema Camera appears to be a pretty good deal, and obliterate the Canon 5DIII.
I personally have no interest in video, but I tried the video function on the GXR just to see how it works without the AA filter and with the ZM lenses. I didn't notice anything unusual and actually the rendering of the ZM for video looks very good.
A question about the coded lens correction, since Ron brought it up, does it apply to the raw files too? And if so, that means it is irreversible no? Does it do anything beyond vignetting and corner shift? I read somewhere it also corrects distortion and CA. That would make it uninteresting for me, as I like to keep the distortion of the lenses.
I'm not sure Edward, as this aspect has seemingly been glossed over in the Photokina-hype. I wish someone from one of the online review sites would have asked...
At least with the M9, it definitely does not correct distortion and CA, only color shift and some vignetting, but never full vignetting removal (at least at wider apertures). Also, turning off lens coding will in turn not apply any correction, allowing you to do that after the fact with Cornerfix, the LCC function in C1, or now also in LR with Adobe's new DNG Flat Field plug-in.
My assumption is the new M will be the same as the M9 in this respect, but it's possible the new sensor design will reduce the amount of correction needed. This probably won't be known until the first reviews.
Ron, that is what Stefan Daniels was talking about in the video interview. It seems the new sensor toppings are very flat, not even necessitating off set micro lenses. That is of course the theory. In practice, we'll have to wait and see.
I don't recall there being any confirmation in the video that edge color shift has been eliminated. It's quite possible the new microlenses and flat sensor architecture might mean no, or less, color shift, but would be nice, as was done for the AA filter question, to receive specific confirmation of (paraphrasing the video's AA filter discussion) 'features we don't have on the camera.'
But for a camera that records video, not having eliminated the colour shift would be sort of a nightmare and would reduce substantially the number of lenses available, right?
The new sensor microlenses are much more extreme than on the M9.
It is the CMOS circuitry that is much flatter.
That said, no one outside of NDA has played with any files from the new M. A friend who had a play with the camera said there appeared to be no issues with shift/falloff/sharpness in the corners based on zooming in on the screen.
I will need to watch the very looong interview again, but I could swear at one instance, Overgaard asked him that with the M9, they had to use offset micro lenses and in-camera lens corrections for color shift and vignetting, and Daniel replied that all this is not necessary anymore. I could be mistaken, but I don't think so.
PS: I just rewatched the beginning of the interview, and it was actually the first question that was asked, so luckily I didn't have to watch the whole thing. It turns out I was correct. Daniel says the new sensor is very sensitive to very acute light angles without the need for offset microlenses like on the M9.
uhoh7 wrote:
You have to wonder whether it's dawned on Leica that they have a market killer sitting right in from of them: just remove the rangefinder (gasp). It's taking up 20% of the sapce and the weight. Price at 4.5 k It's called the MM. Minimalist M---the backcountry M. Add styling from leica one. Sell many many.
I meant they are not offset, I didn't mean there are no microlenses
The question is how much has Leica compromised rangefinder wide angle performance to gain better compatibility for longer Leica R lenses. In an interview, they did acknowledged a compromise was made, mentioned the use of an R 800mm Lens on the M!
I have two questions regarding the camera..
#1 is 30s really the longest exposure time?
#2 is dark frame subtraction compulsory on this new camera?
With a power input on the new grip I would have loved to do star trails either as a very long exposure, or more practically (with digital) using an intervalometer and stacking.
