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p.12 #1 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


FlyPenFly wrote:
I'm curious how they tuned the micro lenses as well and if there is an AA filter or not.


The microlenses are tuned. Otherwise they would run into problems with some of their M lenses.
But it is made differently than with Kodaks shifted microlenses.



Sep 17, 2012 at 04:28 PM
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p.12 #2 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


that set up looks just like my micro 4/3..... yuck..
M alone looks nice though



Sep 17, 2012 at 04:29 PM
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p.12 #3 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


FlyPenFly wrote:
I'm curious how they tuned the micro lenses as well and if there is an AA filter or not.


In the brochure, found on the leica website, there is a drawing on how the new sensor works better with close lenses.

Main thing is the sensor is more flat than traditional sensors, and the microlenses are stronger and bigger.



Sep 17, 2012 at 04:29 PM
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p.12 #4 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


Mescalamba wrote:
That EVF is same as VF2 for Olympus. Which means pretty decent. Sorta funny its Ricoh made. Well, viva rebrand..

(if you dont believe me, just try VF2 on Leica X2, it works..)


As good as the Sony ones? I wasn't keen in the a77/nex7 VF, as I thought they were the best in the market at the time...



Sep 17, 2012 at 04:30 PM
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p.12 #5 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


Now, I wonder if Leica will update the M9's firmware to support tethering? This would be more than helpful.

I know that grip "supports" transfers over USB but come on...We have USB in the M8/M9 already. I would love to shoot headshots and whatnot with my M9 tethered to capture one natively. I used to have a work around with image capture and a hot folder but mountain lion or something nipped it in the bud.




Sep 17, 2012 at 04:32 PM
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p.12 #6 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


Show me the bottom of the camera, Leica. I want to know if you've finally dispensed with that terribly anachronistic removable plate.


Sep 17, 2012 at 04:33 PM
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p.12 #7 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


sirimiri wrote:
Show me the bottom of the camera, Leica. I want to know if you've finally dispensed with that terribly anachronistic removable plate.


Oh come on, it isn't "that bad" is it? Just have an accessory that gives people the option?

It makes me feel like I'm loading my M6 every time I grab that card. I think about my shots.



Sep 17, 2012 at 04:39 PM
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p.12 #8 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


I wonder..

..who else realised that now you can use "M" with adapter and ANY lens made for FF?

In fact Leica made first FF mirrorless. With EVF and apparently focus peaking too.

Just wish this little holy grail wasnt so damn expensive..



Sep 17, 2012 at 04:50 PM
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p.12 #9 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


shaunmlavery wrote:
Oh come on, it isn't "that bad" is it? Just have an accessory that gives people the option?

It makes me feel like I'm loading my M6 every time I grab that card. I think about my shots.


I think they made it exactly cause of that. M is supposed to give some feeling. And it does, at least for me..



Sep 17, 2012 at 04:51 PM
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p.12 #10 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


Mescalamba wrote:
I wonder..

..who else realised that now you can use "M" with adapter and ANY lens made for FF?

In fact Leica made first FF mirrorless. With EVF and apparently focus peaking too.

Just wish this little holy grail wasnt so damn expensive..


I just wonder is this combo going to be better than say a 5D/D800 since they share the common theme of CMOS? I understand that is a small piece to the puzzle but it is bigger than others.

I understand different strokes but just a question. I've never used EVF and only used LiveView on my canon's, nex and iphone. That is goofy at times. Something about seeing through a finder, M9, or the lens, SLR, is a bit different to me. Maybe the EVF is great?



Sep 17, 2012 at 04:59 PM
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p.12 #11 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


I want one.

Not because the lenses are incredibly amazing or because I think it can take better photos than a properly tuned D800E.

I want one for the same reason I enjoy fine watches, it just looks very well made and it's full frame.

Just hard to justify spending $10k for a new system. At least when I drop $10k in watches, I know the value usually goes up with the pieces I tend to buy.



Sep 17, 2012 at 05:03 PM
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p.12 #12 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


Please not another Leica thread when we end up talking about watches again!


Sep 17, 2012 at 05:07 PM
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p.12 #13 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


ricardovaste wrote:
Please not another Leica thread when we end up talking about watches again!


+1



Sep 17, 2012 at 05:16 PM
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p.12 #14 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


FlyPenFly wrote:
I want one.

Not because the lenses are incredibly amazing or because I think it can take better photos than a properly tuned D800E.

I want one for the same reason I enjoy fine watches, it just looks very well made and it's full frame.

Just hard to justify spending $10k for a new system. At least when I drop $10k in watches, I know the value usually goes up with the pieces I tend to buy.


Let us know how it is. If it turns out to be reliable and glitch free, I will buy one! It does look pretty sweet but I'm not so sure I would want to be the first soldier on the battlefield with this one. Lot's of new stuff for Leica to screw up I'm afraid.



Sep 17, 2012 at 05:19 PM
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p.12 #15 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


Yes, it is a poor decision for a user standpoint, to mimic the "film-loading" method of the "analogue" M cameras. The M8 could have been a clean break with the plate of yore, but instead Leica removed "the notch" at the viewfinder housing and kept the bottom plate. My opinion is that for reasons of commonality, the M9 then became captive to the accessory grip designed for the M8.

You sit and fiddle in cold, or wet weather, with a plate in your left hand, a camera in your right hand, the battery...in...your third hand.

By "an accessory that gives people the option", how do you mean?
shaunmlavery wrote:
Oh come on, it isn't "that bad" is it? Just have an accessory that gives people the option?




Sep 17, 2012 at 05:20 PM
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p.12 #16 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


Leica seems to be touting a more silent shutter sound in the ME over the M9, so there's a potential positive.


Sep 17, 2012 at 05:21 PM
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p.12 #17 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


I guess the flip side is that if I get one, I'll probably find myself diving head first into nonsense troll threads about Leica (on both sides).


Sep 17, 2012 at 05:21 PM
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p.12 #18 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


JonasY wrote:
Yep, literally a few thousands of them but they require an adapter and preferably the optional EVF ...


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Actually, I am now really interested in this new M, not because of the EVF and live view but for the other much needed improvements to the existing M9.

The weather sealing is a big plus for me and I'm sure for others too. I had to send my M9 back to Leica NJ because the shutter and ON-OFF switch got stuck. I wasn't shooting in the rain but sweat and probably some liquid got into the crevices over time and the entire thing got stuck and rendered the camera useless.

The new Leica Maestro processor would also be a big plus for better response and hopefully better buffer rates. I've had issues with the M8/M9 software freezing randomly. Heck, even my brand new M Monochrom freezed the first week I got the camera which is really frustrating. Another big plus is the pricing. I think we were all expecting a price point closer to USD 10,000 and if the US$6995 is true, its looks like a bargain (relatively speaking) and compelling for most current digital M user to consider adding one or upgrading.



Sep 17, 2012 at 05:46 PM
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p.12 #19 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


There are no micro lenses. The release specifically mentions "Flat" sensor surface.

Again the sensor is NOT A SONY RE-BRANDED PRODUCT.

The detecter is made by CMOSIS––a firm with advanced imaging experience.

As for the AA filter––we can see from release wording is clearly still present in order to eliminate morié artifacts.

http://interventional.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/leica-m-flat.png



Sep 17, 2012 at 06:02 PM
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p.12 #20 · Leica M10/ME discussion thread


That CMOSIS sensor looks incredible. The claimed 90dB dynamic range translates to 30 stops


Sep 17, 2012 at 06:04 PM
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