p.5 #2 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
To be honest, this would be very tempting, but not at the price point of 2800$. I could go by with a nice fixed lens and even if I would rather have a 28mm, the 35 would be just fine. As I said, not at this price - for that I would get a 5DII and a Summicron and still have a expandable system.
p.5 #4 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
slungu wrote:
To be honest, this would be very tempting, but not at the price point of 2800$. I could go by with a nice fixed lens and even if I would rather have a 28mm, the 35 would be just fine. As I said, not at this price - for that I would get a 5DII and a Summicron and still have a expandable system.
Sure, whenever you go out, you grab you 5D with you
This will fit "almost" in your pocket or at least in your european men's purse... For that size
you have the quality of your 5D with better lens than anything Canon can come up with.
p.5 #5 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Well, it better be one hell of a lens for $2800. That's a lot for a non interchangeable camera with no finder imo, particularly if we see sub $2000, compact DSLR bodies using the same sensor. So, perhaps Sony IS testing the market with this thing.
p.5 #6 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Well, it better be one hell of a lens for $2800. That's a lot for a non interchangeable camera with no finder imo, particularly if we see sub $2000, compact DSLR bodies using the same sensor. So, perhaps Sony IS testing the market with this thing.
Look, I paid over $3K for my 35 Cron. Many people did. So there is a market for a high end tiny FF camera
with such a lens... I think I'll get one just for fun and to support Sony
p.5 #7 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
snowboarder wrote:
Sure, whenever you go out, you grab you 5D with you
This will fit "almost" in your pocket or at least in your european men's purse... For that size
you have the quality of your 5D with better lens than anything Canon can come up with.
Hm, I downgraded last year from 1DS plus 2 Zeiss C/Y to NEX plus 2 Zeiss ZM and one little 90/4, but while my back is much better now on a day trough the city, that NEX is not going to fit in my pocket and I am not expecting this from this one either. So yes, it sure has to deliver big time and even then, I am not sure I will take the bite.
p.5 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
No EVF.
No tilt screen.
No interchangeable lenses.
I might have been convinced to spend $1500 on this, but $2700? No way. Not me.
I do like the 35mm FL, and F2 is just fine. But without the wide world of FF lens options I really don't need the IQ of FF. Current APS-C sensors are good enough at the moment. The day Sony announces an EVIL FF camera I will be all over it. Honestly, I would hope the price for such a beast would be in this range +/- a few bux, sans optics anyway.
p.5 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
I see this as an example of the typical Sony strategy of offering a product which differentiates itself from the competition in a "soft," rather than a "hard" or techical manner, and then playing chicken with the pricing to see how far they can go.
p.5 #11 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
snowboarder wrote:
Look, I paid over $3K for my 35 Cron. Many people did. So there is a market for a high end tiny FF camera
with such a lens... I think I'll get one just for fun and to support Sony
Sure...but this is not a Leica 35 Cron. It's a Sony Zeiss which means it's probably a good lens but not anything close to your Cron (going by my experience with ZA 24/2). I'm most curious to see how it actually performs though.
I don't think the camera is going to be as "tiny" as you think. It might not fit to well in your man purse. but we will see. Personally, I would jump all over this if it had either a built in finder (adding the extra dimensions would hot have altered size too much I think) OR was not fixed lens.
p.5 #12 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
snapsy wrote:
I think this will be a boutique camera that likely lays both the technical and marketing groundwork for a FF ILC coming within the next year.
p.5 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Sure...but this is not a Leica 35 Cron. It's a Sony Zeiss which means it's probably a good lens but not anything close to your Cron (going by my experience with ZA 24/2). I'm most curious to see how it actually performs though.
I don't think the camera is going to be as "tiny" as you think. It might not fit to well in your man purse. but we will see. Personally, I would jump all over this if it had either a built in finder (adding the extra dimensions would hot have altered size too much I think) OR was not fixed lens. ...Show more →
You're right. But even if its a good, not great lens, it's still a Zeiss 35 f2 FF, so at least $900 right?
The cheapest FF camera is supposed to be $1500 - FF and the simplest DSLR body for probably not more than $100.
This R1 requires some serious R&D, I don't see why people think it could be cheaper today.
In a few years - yes. But today, $2800 seems like a fair price to me.
p.5 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
snowboarder wrote:
You're right. But even if its a good, not great lens, it's still a Zeiss 35 f2 FF, so at least $900 right?
The cheapest FF camera is supposed to be $1500 - FF and the simplest DSLR body for probably not more than $100.
This R1 requires some serious R&D, I don't see why people think it could be cheaper today.
In a few years - yes. But today, $2800 seems like a fair price to me.
consider R&D, it might be lots of invest, but why costumer care that. I really doubt it will sell. $1800 for FF might sell well.
p.5 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Fixed lens. Bummer.
Good thing though is that Sony have much shorter product cycles than Canon/Nikon. And since this is a Full-Frame something really nice could be just round the corner instead of "within 2-3 years".
I think it's amazing what Sony, Fuji and Oly are doing. Quite a shame where Canon/Nikon
are at the moment...
If rumours are correct and Nikon does bring us the D600 for a reasonable cost, Nikon has nothing to worry about. Canon on the other hand seems dedicated to a me-too lineup.
note the way the lcd frame juts out rather than being smoothly incorporated into the body and the fact that it has a tab on top to help pull it away from the body just as the nex-5 does.
judging by the hotshoe this is noticeably smaller than a NEX-7 + 35mm cron.
