p.18 #2 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Makten wrote:
And what if the lens is the perfect one to pair it with? I'd prefer 40 mm, but 35 is fine.
I suppose I should clarify my point by saying 2k+ is too much to justify without being able to choose from multiple different perfect lenses, as each day I change my mind as to which is "perfect".
p.18 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
douglasf13 wrote:
You can lower the contrast of the NEX-7 EVF quite a bit if you turn jpeg contrast all the way down and use the neutral jpeg setting. For me, removing the eye cup helps a lot in centering my eye.
I don't think this does anything at all UNLESS you activate Live Preview as on all the time. But again, that's also a cause of big problems.
p.18 #4 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Yes, I'm waiting as well on my X100 repurchase - and it should not be much longer.
Imo, the X100 EVF only has to be good enough to feed the required info to the OVF and occasionally quickly check focus/ composition (the only part of it I actually used).
for me the x100 optical finder is useless because it doesn't show focus. if I wanted to see the scene in reality I would just use my left eye.
p.18 #5 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
FlyPenFly wrote:
I don't think this does anything at all UNLESS you activate Live Preview as on all the time. But again, that's also a cause of big problems.
hmmm I think live preview is the best thing about evfs and it has never caused any issues for me. do you use off camera flash a lot or something?
p.18 #6 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
sebboh wrote:
for me the x100 optical finder is useless because it doesn't show focus. if I wanted to see the scene in reality I would just use my left eye.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you not have a DOF scale overlay?
p.18 #7 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
sebboh wrote:
hmmm I think live preview is the best thing about evfs and it has never caused any issues for me. do you use off camera flash a lot or something?
Yup for watch photos if I use the NEX.
If you're not doing macro work all the time in a dark bar with off camera flash, I can see how live preview on all the time is very useful.
p.18 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
ricardovaste wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you not have a DOF scale overlay?
Not only that but you can instantly jump into a magnified EVF view from OVF to check focus. I used this all the time and it works seamlessly (and did I mention instantly).
Perhaps sebboh is talking about seeing focus fall off/dof effects ala EVF/ SLR (also seen in instant EVF mode but if you want to see that constantly when framing, I can see the preference for EVF/SLR).
p.18 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
FlyPenFly wrote:
Yup for watch photos if I use the NEX.
If you're not doing macro work all the time in a dark bar with off camera flash, I can see how live preview on all the time is very useful.
Yeah, earlier NEX cameras didn't even have the option of turning off Live Preview, and, unless you're doing off camera flash work, it's generally what most people use.
p.18 #12 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
sebboh wrote:
for me the x100 optical finder is useless because it doesn't show focus. if I wanted to see the scene in reality I would just use my left eye.
p.18 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
I really enjoyed playing with the hybrid OVF/EVF of the Xpro1. However, the keeper rates with the 35 using OVF only was poor at best.
I didn't see much point in switching between OVF/EVF after the first few days using it and just stuck to the EVF.
p.18 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
FlyPenFly wrote:
Will probably opt for laser eye surgery at that point. My sister did it and she said it was the single best thing she's ever done. She's a mother and I said, you mean after your kids right? 10 seconds later, no, this is the best thing I've ever done.
p.18 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
vchowdhary wrote:
I really enjoyed playing with the hybrid OVF/EVF of the Xpro1. However, the keeper rates with the 35 using OVF only was poor at best.
I didn't see much point in switching between OVF/EVF after the first few days using it and just stuck to the EVF.
Up close, the OVF was near useless.
This does not sound good. Puts me off an x100, as I'd only buy it for the OVF...
p.18 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
ricardovaste wrote:
This does not sound good. Puts me off an x100, as I'd only buy it for the OVF...
Re the X100, in the early days, AF was not very accurate at close distances - say 3-4ft. Later firmware updates improved this dramatically, particularly if the corrected AF point display for the OVF was set to show in the menu. At least with the x100, this became a non issue after the latest FW updates unless you were focusing really close, in which case it does need to be put in macro mode and the EVF used. I never tested this on the X-Pro1 when I briefly owned it.
p.18 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
douglasf13 wrote:
I could live with the Fuji X series if the OVF wasn't even hybrid, but just had some kind of center AF indicator. The EVF is certainly terrible, but occasionally useful.
That is a dramatic overstatement about the X100's EVF. It may not be the best but terrible really is not a fair way to describe it.
p.18 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
rattymouse wrote:
That is a dramatic overstatement about the X100's EVF. It may not be the best but terrible really is not a fair way to describe it.
It certainly is terrible compared to my point of reference, the NEX-5N and NEX-7 EVF. I essentially never use the X100 EVF, and I'd be as happy with the camera if it was OVF only. I like the X100 for the OVF, not so much the hybrid OVF/EVF.
One of the worst things about the X100, IMO, is the way the aperture is constantly opening and closing, especially in bright light, which slows shutter response quite a bit compared to NEX.
The X100 is my current favorite camera, but there are tons of things that NEX does better, and vice versa. Two glaring omissions from the NEX-7 are the lack of a distance scale and the inability to set AutoISO minimum shutter speed.
p.18 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)
douglasf13 wrote:
Exactly. Aps-c lenses are already pretty large on NEX. FF lenses will be huge. If anything, I maintain that the RX1 is pushing off any FF NEX development, and it shows just how much of a size advantage that you get from using a fixed lens.
I love that the RX1 is fixed lens. This is why I'm still quite interested in the camera. I don't know that I will buy one (it would be my biggest photography purchase by some margin) but with my NEX-5, I find myself sticking to the 16mm pancake most of the time due to the size of putting any other lenses on it. It goes from being a camera I can take anywhere (in a jacket pocket - and you always need a jacket here) to one that is small compared to a DSLR, but still big enough that I will leave it behind if I'm not going out with photography in mind.
The RX1 still looks to be on the larger side of what I would prefer, but I can't see there being a smaller alternative any time soon, especially not a camera with interchangeable lenses.
Sony have been leading the way forward with compact cameras and sensor technology, and their NEX cameras are still the smallest APS-C cameras by some margin. I doubt this could have been made any smaller than it is.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
My biggest issue was eye relief and what is likely the poor optics used in the NEX-7. IF my eye was not exactly pressed up to the finder and centered correctly, all sorts of issues occurred. Blurry image, CA you name it. In the end, the finder gave me a headache after using it all day.
That's really good to hear actually. I have not had the opportunity to use a NEX-7, but had been considering upgrading from my NEX-5 to the NEX-6 before this camera was leaked.
Having previously tried Sony's OLED head-mounted display (HMZ-T1) which uses similar OLED displays, and experiencing the problems you describe with it, it seems like the NEX-6/7 viewfinders would not be acceptable to me at all.
