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p.4 #1 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


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My guns haven't complained once, John...but I got used to the 2/3/2-4 supertele's weight over the years.

Taoguy wrote:
I've only had the Siggy 120-300 for two days and I totally agree. Normal long glass is the 200-400 & the 500, both can be hand held. 1st thought , "Oh what a relief it is!" Took a couple quick shots, sharp as a tack, quick, going to like this one a lot!

Question, Does it take the Nikkor 1.4 ext? Manual said only Sigma. Not at home so I cannot try it right now.


There ya go They say it doesn't work, Gerard...not willing to try mine.



Jul 13, 2012 at 05:45 AM
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p.4 #2 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


rd4tile wrote:
No more excuses - where's our 1.4X on the 120-300 shots?

BTW hows that puppy spin in the tripod ring? I think I read some complaints that it was kinda rough?


blame Amazon growin' a beard...waitin' on this one. Ring spins great, I leave it a little
loose on the BushHawk so I can whip it up to portrait when called for...easy-peasy, Rich!



Jul 13, 2012 at 05:51 AM
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p.4 #3 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


Thanks for sharing this Will and great shots! Did you use 3D tracking for those birds or just selective focus?


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Jul 13, 2012 at 05:54 AM
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p.4 #4 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


ReyGay wrote:
Thanks for sharing this Will and great shots! Did you use 3D tracking for those birds or just selective focus?


Thanks, Rey! I'm usually workin' the center point in 9 pt Dynamic. I'd never use 3D, as I have
no problem keepin' MY point on the subject. Lettin' the camera decide....is a crap shoot.



Jul 13, 2012 at 06:21 AM
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p.4 #5 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


I recently rented the non os version of this lens. The nice guys at lensrentals.com told me the non os focused a bit faster than the new version. I spent 12 days with this lens on my d90 and it performed past my expectations.

Here is a shot I took with it







Jul 13, 2012 at 07:03 AM
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p.4 #6 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


Nice, put either one on a Pro body...and AF is instantaneous.
Camera settings and user skill play a huge part in AF speed and accuracy.
I don't believe any "blanket" statements on one being 'faster' than the other.
Totally respect Roger and his crew @ Lens Rentals...just sayin'...more often
than not, it's the guy behind the camera too.

For example: high degree of difficulty on this shot, effortless capture with the new OS version on my D3



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Jul 13, 2012 at 07:19 AM
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p.4 #7 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


To be fair to the guys, I called and said "I have NO need for OS for this assignment, my only concern is focus speed. Would you recommend one over the other?"

I took about 7k pics with this setup and had very little missed focus that I wouldnt blame on myself or something moving between the lens and the subject. I'd say that the lens 'missed focus' less than 1% of the time. It was a very positive experience and have added this lens to my short list to purchase.



Jul 13, 2012 at 07:29 AM
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p.4 #8 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


rd4tile wrote:
No more excuses - where's our 1.4X on the 120-300 shots?


Quick grab (settings left over from last night) WITH the TC...focus on the hand. It's impressive!
I'll try it wide open AND on some BIF over the next few days...but AF isn't gonna be an issue, Rich.




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Jul 14, 2012 at 08:00 PM
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p.4 #9 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


Interesting lens, seems like it's really "flown under the radar" so to speak. The old version has gotten pretty good reviews overall here on FM but Will's and another are the only recent reviews of the OS version. It doesn't appear any have sold used for either Canon or Nikon on the B&S and I can't find any selling used recently on Fleabay. That's usually a good sign people are liking a lens.

If you look at the later posts in this thread there are a lot of impressive shots that complement Will's report ( not that I don't believe you Will!)

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=934592&page=138

A couple of the guys that really worked this lens over on that thread did need to send in theirs for OS and AF repairs but both had good experiences with the results and turn around from sigma.

I ordered one to try, if it's 90%+ with the 1.4X of the performance of 300 VR2+1.4 or 200-400 then I'll be a happy camper and save some $ in the process. I love my 300 VR2 with 1.4 but miss the zoom.



Jul 15, 2012 at 11:05 AM
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p.4 #10 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


Very sweet samples and encouraging review, Rich. GL with your trials! So far the 1.4x hasn't missed a beat,
still playin' around with it and hope to have it all figured out by the 26th when the ZIA Barrel Series starts back up.


Here ya go: TC rode shotgun late this mornin'...idling 351...handheld out the window...shot thru a fence ~ 80% crop
I can totally live with the IQ of this capture (FOV 630mm) under these conditions...I'm pretty pumped!







Jul 15, 2012 at 02:11 PM
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p.4 #11 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


Hehehe I use this lens all the time on D800, I love it so much. My first copy was bad, had non-working AF, I posted a youtube demo of it on the photography on the net forums (here it is:

&feature=relmfu" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">120-300mm OS AF Problems
)

This copy works great, though! *knock on wood* AF is good, a little slower than Canon 100-400mm L, but it works. It's not a 300 2.8 prime but it doesn't cost but 1/2 of one or less, so, can't complain (AF wise). Accuracy is just fine normally. If it isn't it's operator error on my part! Sharpness, on the other hand...is just phenomenal. lol. Sharpness is absolutely at 300 2.8 prime level. I use this thing on its own for landscapes where the corners are good at 300mm wide open and get phenomenal at 5.6--at 120mm it needs stopped down a little to make the corners great--wide end corners aren't as solid as long end corners (until you stop down). Center is just amazing all throughout the range at 2.8.

Sometimes I use it on its own for wildlife, but for birds if they are perched I always put the Sigma 2x teleconverter on it. You'd think it wouldn't be very good, but you'd be wrong. The sad thing, and I don't believe this, but...little anecdote. Friend works at pro photo supply here in portland...after I got this thing and the 2x TC and was sending samples, he was like "WHAT"...took them into work...co-worker couldn't believe how good it was. So, they put the nikon 2x III tc on the Nikon 300mm 2.8 prime. And couldn't come close to matching the results from the Sigma. There's no way that's right, but whatever, it goes really, really, well, with the Sigma 2x TC. They were made for each other. You'll be delighted with surprisingly low CA, too. Useable wide open (but not, imho, at 100%), okay at 6.3, pretty darn good at f/8. No, it's no 600mm prime. But I'd not be able to afford one of those, not even close--maybe in 10 years!

Extremely cropped, down to like 4mp or so:
http://amanathia.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v49/p792973633-5.jpg


Whee!
http://amanathia.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v10/p833004477-5.jpg


Landscape
http://amanathia.zenfolio.com/img/s3/v24/p306306959-5.jpg



Jul 16, 2012 at 01:15 AM
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p.4 #12 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


WOW that's amazing because my 300 VR2 and 2X III is excellent! I'm really looking forward to getting this.


Jul 16, 2012 at 06:39 AM
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p.4 #13 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


It's scary but you have me considering this over my 200 F2


Jul 16, 2012 at 05:17 PM
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p.4 #14 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS



"For example: high degree of difficulty on this shot, effortless capture with the new OS version on my D3 "]


Mr.Will, I am finding this entire thread, and once again your shots of great interest. Of course in saying this you know I am praising your ability more so than the ability of your new glass. This may be reading too much between the lines so please correct me if I am off target here. For shooting fast moving German Shepherds during schutzhund competition, this thread makes me think that if one were to move from the Nikon 70-200II to the Sig 120-300, the primary difference would be losing 50mm on the short side but gaining 100mm on the long side while focus speed, focus accuracy, and image quality would remain very similar if both lenses were mounted on a Nikon 800 body. If true, the range of the Sig would certainly better meet my needs. I have found the 70-200II to be a very worthy performer, but your shots look amazing as usual, and I could sure use that extra 100mm on the long end!
Of course I am not asking you to convince me, but I have always found your opinions to have value, even when they have reduced the value of my billfold :-))
Awesome work and I look forward to any comment you might make since you have a great deal of experience with the 70-200!
Take care!
Greg



Jul 16, 2012 at 08:41 PM
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p.4 #15 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


Figure I'll comment, I don't have experience with the Nikon 70-200 though. Image quality will definitely remain top notch. Sharpness will match the Nikkor 70-200 or 200-400mm imho, no prob. There is more to IQ than just sharpness though, too. And that's the nice thing about this 120-300 OS... It really is very, very, close to a true APO design. There is some lateral CA (the kind that is easily fixable) at the 120mm end toward the corners (minor, though, mind you). Throughout the rest of the range, the Nikkor will have way more...Course this gets fixed automatically by LR4/CS6/Capture NX/the camera's jpeg engine/whateve, so it's not like that matters much.

However, the Sigma also has almost no longitudinal CA (i've never seen any, except with the 2x where it becomes slight and the bokeh becomes worse). I believe this really has a good bit to do with the exceptionally pleasing images this lens creates. The bokeh is nice, on things that are behind the subject, generally. It can produce some swirly-looking bokeh in some cases (good or bad depending on if you like that). ^_^ Sorry, I don't have any examples to post of that, maybe someone else does. OS also works incredibly well, maybe takes a little longer to settle than the brand name 70-200's? But works as well, for sure.

Auto focus on the other hand isn't quite up to the speed of Nikon/Canon pro lenses. I had the 70-200 f4l IS for Canon. The Canon was DEFINITELY faster. Like "instant" vs "pretty fast". Accuracy is fine, though. I've had no problems catching some birds in flight with the 2x on it, mind you (as shown above)...that said, with the 2x, AF accuracy does sometimes suffer a little. Without it, meh. It's fine. But if I absolutely needed super super fast AF, I'd rent one first to make sure it is quick enough. It might be quicker on a D4 if it gets more juice, not sure.

As a matter of fact, I have an AF speed video posted on youtube, sorry, crappy cell phone video.

...disregard the comment below, he was replying to my other video which accidentally had comments disabled (i'm a youtube noob).

Keep in mind that in the video i'm manually setting the AF to way past infinity, in real world use the AF will be about the speed of the near-instant AF movement you see at the end of the video. This thing definitely has a lot more glass to move around, though.

Friend brought the 200mm VR1 over a few weeks back. Was remarking at how instant the AF on it was. We were also kinda laughing about how awful the stabilization was and how very blah the sharpness with the 2x was compared to the Sigma, so you win some you lose some.



Jul 16, 2012 at 10:01 PM
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p.4 #16 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


I am late to the party. But I think I should chime in. I had Nikn 70-200/2.8 vr and 300/4. They are no more and replaced by Sigma 120-300/2.8 NOT OS. I can't hold it , so most of the time on tripod any way.
This is one of the best i ever had. It works very well with tc 1.4. I never found any good tc 2x, even the newest Nikon III isn't any good.
Now the 120-300/2.8 is so great I keep it even now I have 400/2.8 VR.
Together with nIkon 24-120/4 I rarely need any other lens. These 3 lenses are good for 99.999% of my photography: landscape and wildlife and some macro.


BTW, Monkey, you did a good demo job on this lens. Sigma should pay you for your hard work.
Bob



Jul 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM
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trenchmonkey wrote:
Very sweet samples and encouraging review, Rich. GL with your trials! So far the 1.4x hasn't missed a beat,
still playin' around with it and hope to have it all figured out by the 26th when the ZIA Barrel Series starts back up.

Here ya go: TC rode shotgun late this mornin'...idling 351...handheld out the window...shot thru a fence ~ 80% crop
I can totally live with the IQ of this capture (FOV 630mm) under these conditions...I'm pretty pumped!


Will,

Great capture and that D7000 continues to impress

Thanks for sharing and nice work again !


Rich



Jul 17, 2012 at 05:13 AM
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nugeny wrote:
I am late to the party. But I think I should chime in. I had Nikn 70-200/2.8 vr and 300/4. They are no more and replaced by Sigma 120-300/2.8 NOT OS. I can't hold it , so most of the time on tripod any way.
This is one of the best i ever had. It works very well with tc 1.4. I never found any good tc 2x, even the newest Nikon III isn't any good.
Now the 120-300/2.8 is so great I keep it even now I have 400/2.8 VR.
Together with nIkon 24-120/4 I rarely need any other lens. These
...Show more
Thanks, Bob...that'll be the day The only lens I ever loved a 2x on was the 200 f2 VR (with a tweak to the
AF fine tune on FX) Hate losing at least 2 stops on f2.8 glass so the Sigma 1.4 will be my limit for BIF this Fall
with the 120-300. Appreciate the 'chime'



Jul 17, 2012 at 05:34 AM
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p.4 #19 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


Will,

Great capture and that D7000 continues to impress

Thanks for sharing and nice work again !

Rich


I'm a thankin' ya, Rich



Jul 17, 2012 at 05:35 AM
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p.4 #20 · 'monkey tests Sigma 120-300 f2.8 OS


I'm really liking this review-in-progress. It seems Sigma hit a home run with this lens

Thanks Trench



Jul 17, 2012 at 09:30 AM
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