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p.26 #1 · Sony Zeiss RX100


kwalsh wrote:
That's correct, no need to enable profile. All of these fixed lens compacts designed from the start with lots of distortion correction in mind that offer RAW (LX3, LX5, LX7, S90, S100, FZ150, FZ200, XZ1, many others) do not have profiles in LR/ACR and instead distortion correction is considered the only "valid" way to convert a file. Usually the correction instructions are actually embedded in the RAW file itself rather than Adobe having measured them. LR/ACR just needs to read the coefficients from the RAW file and apply them (this at least is how Panasonic and Olympus do it for
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Oh, I see. Thanks! Do they also do the CA correction automatically?



Aug 29, 2012 at 07:45 PM
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p.26 #2 · Sony Zeiss RX100


The fact that I can always have this camera with me - means I get to shoot more pictures.





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Aug 29, 2012 at 09:04 PM
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p.26 #3 · Sony Zeiss RX100


With the new Lightroom release, I went out Yesterday at midday (the worst sun) and in a 100 degree temperature, tested by shooting some RAW, some JPEGS with HDR, some JPEGS with DRO (5) just to see how much details could be pulled out of the shadows with either. I am floored. I can pull details and colors out of completely dark places on pictures with little to no noise introduced. Curious to see what DRO says about RX100's Dynamic range.

http://brodsky.smugmug.com/Architecture/Pasadena/i-kkfQvxv/0/XL/DSC0683-XL.jpg
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same thing happened when I went inside a library building. Old dark ceilings came alive
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Aug 30, 2012 at 01:36 AM
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p.26 #4 · Sony Zeiss RX100


What Digital Camera RX100 Review:

http://www.whatdigitalcamera.com/equipment/reviews/compactcameras/129306/1/sony-cyber-shot-rx100-review.html




Aug 30, 2012 at 03:10 AM
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p.26 #5 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Pondria wrote:
Oh, I see. Thanks! Do they also do the CA correction automatically?


I'm not sure for the RX100 if they do or not. If they are then they aren't doing so completely because at wide angle there is a bit of residual lateral CA which seems to be more than is visible in the out of camera JPEGs. Checking the "Remove Chromatic Aberration" check box removes that nicely though.

Actually the LR4 automatic CA removal is really good, so much so Eric Chan (LR/ACR developer at Adobe) claims it often outperforms profile based CA correction. So if you just set your import preferences to apply a CA removal preset on import you can make it appear automatic (that is what I do with my E-M5, in the m43 world Panasonic cameras pass CA meta-data in the RAW file but Olympus cameras do not so for the E-M5 I have CA removal applied on import).

Ken



Aug 30, 2012 at 04:07 AM
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p.26 #6 · Sony Zeiss RX100


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why not just use an OM-D with the panasonic collapsible zoom? it has better iq than either the rx100 or g1-x and isn't noticeably bigger than the canon.


If I'd buy an OM-D (which I plan to do sometimes in 2016... ) I'd stick some nice primes to it. It would be a shame to waste the interchangeability to slow zooms when you have such nice compact primes.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Aug 30, 2012 at 04:54 AM
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p.26 #7 · Sony Zeiss RX100


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Smaller is certainly less comfortable when shooting, but then again, larger cameras are much less comfortable when your not shooting, ie; when you've got to drag them around with you.

Have to figure out if a camera like the RX100 is more likely to be riding in your pocket or in your hand shooting.

I think for most users, its not really a tool that they are going to be shooting hundreds of frames a day with or take exclusively on photo expeditions etc. Rather its something you can pull from your pocket when the need arises and take a few
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I fully agree with the basic analysis but for me, I'd still rather have something a tad bigger. The new P7700 looks nice to me in that regard.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Aug 30, 2012 at 04:57 AM
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p.26 #8 · Sony Zeiss RX100


The Carryspeed magnetic CPL filters have just gone on sale, $26.99 for the 42mm version, and $24.99 for the 36mm version.

http://www.carryspeed.com/products/magfilter





Aug 30, 2012 at 11:20 AM
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p.26 #9 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Thanks, ordered one. I hope they come out with a ND filter as well.


Aug 30, 2012 at 11:26 AM
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p.26 #10 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Flip out LCD and good assortment of buttons/dials certainly does look nice on that camera, as does the added zoom range (not that I really seem to shoot much telephoto though)

Only downside, at least in my mind though is that its still using such a small sensor, which even looking past the fact the size of the camera is pretty big ( I know thats an advantage to some) means there is no way around the fact its still going to have a typical point and shoot look.

You can add all the extra dials etc and thats great for shooting ergonomics,
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Aug 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM
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p.26 #11 · Sony Zeiss RX100


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Thanks, ordered one. I hope they come out with a ND filter as well.


I hope so as well, or more specifically, I hope they sell just the red magnetic ring and hope its threaded to accept a filter of my choice.

If nothing else, I think it may be possible to simply buy my own filters of choice, such as a 10 stop ND and r72 and if all else fails just glue the magnetic part into the ring of one of those filters.

Its possible they might have used pretty decent glass, but for $26 I'm not expecting too much and think I'll at the very least want to spend $20 or so and get a Marumi CPL



Aug 30, 2012 at 12:51 PM
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p.26 #12 · Sony Zeiss RX100


I actually stopped using my Marumi Super DHG CPL because it adds a color cast I can't get rid of.


Aug 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM
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p.26 #13 · Sony Zeiss RX100


DigitalRev RX100 Review:

http://www.digitalrev.com/article/sony-dsc-rx100-hands-on/MzgzNzgzOTk_A




Aug 30, 2012 at 02:20 PM
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p.26 #14 · Sony Zeiss RX100






Yep. Again you are right. The sensor size is a huge factor in favour of the RX100. But as you said earlier, it's a camera that will mostly be an addition to DSLR so most of the time it'll be in the pocket/bag.

And of course, in the end it's all a matter of personal priorities. I will never buy a camera which is not comfortable to shoot with. And while I haven't handled it yet, I have a strong suspicion I won't like it.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Aug 30, 2012 at 02:33 PM
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p.26 #15 · Sony Zeiss RX100


millsart wrote:
Its possible they might have used pretty decent glass, but for $26 I'm not expecting too much and think I'll at the very least want to spend $20 or so and get a Marumi CPL


The current prices are special introductory prices, standard prices are $44.99 for the 42mm version and $40.00 for the 36mm version.

This new product is currently available at Introductory Pricing. Please choose the correct filter size for your cameras.




Aug 30, 2012 at 02:39 PM
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p.26 #16 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Given they are selling them at $26 I'd bet dollars to donuts there is less than $26 worth of optical glass in each filter.

Doesn't matter if they then raise the price to $45 or $55 or even $100 etc, isn't going to change the quality of the components and short of selling it as a loss leader, which would be pretty unheard of for a small start up.

Same as those ColorRight white balance tools that normally were selling for something crazy like $100 each, for what is really just some plastic. You can now get them for something like $23, which means there was a huge margin on them.

Now having a margin is well and good, thats capitalism after all, but does the quality/cost of materials change if they are selling for $100 or $23 ? Not at all, assuming they are the same production run.

EOS20 wrote:


The current prices are special introductory prices, standard prices are $44.99 for the 42mm version and $40.00 for the 36mm version.

This new product is currently available at Introductory Pricing. Please choose the correct filter size for your cameras.





Aug 30, 2012 at 03:18 PM
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p.26 #17 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Buy it for the magnet ring and mod it to your own filter adapter.

That is if the polarizer is no good. I don't expect miracles, but do expect it to do the job on a P&S. That's why I purchased one.



Aug 30, 2012 at 06:17 PM
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p.26 #18 · Sony Zeiss RX100


The RX100 is a fantastic camera, that I'd recommend to anyone. THat being said...I just sold mine.

The reason being is quite simple. To me, the RX100 is a camera for when I don't want to take a camera with me. In other words, when I want to lug something around in a pocket and make sure that I can get a good quality photo when I don't have my serious gear.

The problem is, I find the user experience cumbersome. In other words, it's a camera that doesn't inspire me to take pictures, and a lot of it has to do with the ergonomics. To me, a camera has to be more than just image quality. It has to be simple, intuitive, and the controls have to make sense. The RX100 has so much technology that there's so much...too much crammed into a tiny camera, in my opinion. That's the problem.

If I want to carry light, I'll usually take my Leica X1 with me. Sure, the image quality isn't as detailed, BUT, the controls of the X1 are a joy to use, has a larger sensor and therefore better depth of field for the bokeh lover in me. It makes sense, it's simple and it inspires me to take photos. THe RX100 was just a camera I'd want to take out and take a snapshot. It did it very well, but if I wanted to change settings I had to go menu surfing, which defeats simplicity. Not only that, I'm a sucker for bokeh and in order to get bokeh on the RX100 I need to shoot it wide open and be VERY close to the subject, because of the smaller sensor. The X1, even with the slower lens gives me better DOF.

For more serious photography I'll take my OM-D, and for jobs I'll take my 5D MKIII. Again, I'd recommend the RX100 in a heartbeat to anyone looking looking for a superb camera that's small. In fact I'd recommend it over a T2i, T3i, T4i, D3200, D5100 with a kit lens on. I strongly feel the RX100 gives better quality than ANY entry level DSLR with a kit lens. But after using it for 2 solid weeks, it just isn't for me. Superb files, but to me, half of what photography is, is the user experience and how I connect with the camera, how intuitive it is, and how efficiently I can change settings on it. Part of that is what helps inspire me and makes me want to take pictures. I simply couldn't connect with the camera. Over the long run, I'd only take the RX100 with me for places I go where I don't want to take a camera. I'm sure that for a lot of other people though, the RX100 will be the love of their life because it fits their needs.

Just my 2 cents...



Aug 31, 2012 at 12:20 AM
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p.26 #19 · Sony Zeiss RX100


najibs wrote:
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The problem is, I find the user experience cumbersome. In other words, it's a camera that doesn't inspire me to take pictures, and a lot of it has to do with the ergonomics. To me, a camera has to be more than just image quality. It has to be simple, intuitive, and the controls have to make sense. The RX100 has so much technology that there's so much...too much crammed into a tiny camera, in my opinion. That's the problem.

Just my 2 cents...


I see najibs' point. I spent good time to read through the on-line manual. But one thing I learned is that the iAuto mode (a.k.a. dumb P&S mode or Grandma mode) works actually pretty well. I am man enough to admit that the iAuto often does better than me in much shorter time. I can trust it. This is not an SLR and should not be used as such.



Aug 31, 2012 at 08:00 AM
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p.26 #20 · Sony Zeiss RX100


Has anyone sent theirs in for the de centering issue?

Where do you send it in the US?



Aug 31, 2012 at 09:17 AM
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