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p.4 #1 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


carstenw wrote:
I own an FM2 and owned OM-2n and OM-4 cameras, and also now have an OM-1, and I cannot agree with your conclusion. The Olympus focusing is as good as the FM2, and the body feels very good. If you dig deep inside, you might find plastic gears in the Olympus and metal gears in the Nikon, but just on the operation you don't feel that.

Did you have some problems with the Olympus cameras you owned/tried?


My personal take was that the OM's were solidly built, but rough. The wind-on on them made my FM2n feel like a Leica, the focusing screens were more akin to a late Nikormat or an original FM, but with less tooth, not nearly as bright as the FM2/FE2 screens let alone the FM3a screen I had in my FM2n. The OM's also seemed fiddly to me, particularly the OM-4T, where the FM2n in particular just feels elegant.

I'd heard a lot of opinions like yours prior to acquiring my pair of OM's (I'd also briefly owned an OM2000 with the 50/1.8 MiJ, which I'd liked, but I had much lower expectations of a Cosina body). I was simply very disappointed in the reality of the OM bodies compared to their reputation, I found they certainly did not live up to their reputation in my experience. The lenses on the other hand were every bit as good as I'd expected, ie the 24/2.8 was stellar, the 35/2 and 50/1.4 were merely good (note I had a very early 50/1.4, I know later copies were better optically, likewise the 35/2 is known to be inferior to the 35/2.8).



May 16, 2012 at 09:37 PM
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p.4 #2 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


I have both. I like the F3 better. It's a tank and I like tanks! If you're buying these make sure to check the light seals - especially on the OM. You want nice sparkly sponge even all the way to the top rim of the seat insets - so that you can feel the sponge compress as you lock down the back door.

But my question is why limit it to these two? For about the same you could get a Contax body and the Zeiss 50/1.4 or 50/1.7 or as someone else mentioned you could get something newer in Nikon form though I would go a bit further and recommend the likes of the F-80. It's got much better metering and if you wanna splurge on a nice AF normal it'll cope.





May 20, 2012 at 09:37 AM
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p.4 #3 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


I have surprise business travel tomorrow so I'll unfortunately be gone for a while. I'll have to pick one up when I get back.

I will look into the Contax RTS though.



May 20, 2012 at 09:59 AM
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p.4 #4 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


Here's some shots of the two I was thinking about. Both bodies were picked up for a song and you already may know what lenses you'd like and what they go for. Likewise I figured you already know what the OM2 and F3 look like so I just photoed these.
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Equipment_n_Tutorials/_2_film_bodies_Contax_Nikon_F80/_1070482.jpg
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Equipment_n_Tutorials/_2_film_bodies_Contax_Nikon_F80/_1070483.jpg
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Equipment_n_Tutorials/_2_film_bodies_Contax_Nikon_F80/_1070485.jpg
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Equipment_n_Tutorials/_2_film_bodies_Contax_Nikon_F80/_1070486.jpg
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Equipment_n_Tutorials/_2_film_bodies_Contax_Nikon_F80/_1070487.jpg
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/_Equipment_n_Tutorials/_2_film_bodies_Contax_Nikon_F80/_1070489.jpg



May 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM
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p.4 #5 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


Can't say I like the Nikon, looks like a D60 or something.

How does the OM2n VF compare to the Contax RTS II?


Contax 50mm F1.7 vs Olympus 50mm F1.4 is an interesting question if you remove sharpness from the equation and just go for drawing style and characteristics in black and white.

My guess is that they're both very sharp by F2.8 and the Contax will be more contrasty while the Oly will have better bokeh and some aspherical aberrations wide open.



May 20, 2012 at 12:34 PM
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p.4 #6 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


Having owned an F80, I can't recommend it. Poor viewfinder for a Pentaprism due to it being Nikon's first attempt with the LCD overlay idea. It's just a paint to manually focus with. It's also limited to CPU-equipped lenses if you want metering. Pay the money for an F100 instead, or go older with the much better F90x or F801's.

The Contax's are great bodies, as long as you're willing to pay for an RTS II/III, RX, S2b or Aria or play the reliability sweepstakes with the older bodies (original RTS, 137, 139, 159MM or 167). Contax bodies tend to be reliable or cheap, pick one. They all have good finders and the Planar 50's are gems



May 20, 2012 at 05:44 PM
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p.4 #7 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


If you want a romance you have to get Pentax MX/LX. They have a 1:1 viewfinder, so you can shoot the 50mm lens with both eyes open (better than rangefinder). Plus the LX has the only metering system, that works during exposure.


May 21, 2012 at 01:49 AM
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p.4 #8 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


"Pentax MX/LX. They have a 1:1 viewfinder"
cool.
didn't know that.
added to my wanna have list.



May 21, 2012 at 02:52 AM
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p.4 #9 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


jan_haidn wrote:
If you want a romance you have to get Pentax MX/LX. They have a 1:1 viewfinder, so you can shoot the 50mm lens with both eyes open (better than rangefinder). Plus the LX has the only metering system, that works during exposure.


Actually neither the MX nor the LX has a 1:1 finder, that's only available with the Voigtlander Bessa R3 bodies.

The MX has 92% at .97x magnification with a VERY short eyepoint (I found the MX to cause serious eyestrain when I used it due to this). The LX has a much more conventional finder with a magnification around 0.8x but 95% x 98% coverage (assuming the standard FA-1 finder, you of course have other magnification options with the other LX finders).

The OM-2, OM-2SP and OM-4(T) have very similar TTL-OTF metering systems to the LX.

Personally, I'd pick the OM's over the MX, but the LX over the OM's. And I've owned the MX, LX, OM-1 and OM-4T. The real downside is finding a LX without sticky mirror, and preferrably with a LX2000 focusing screen (the only screens out there comparable to the FM3a's focusing screens).



May 21, 2012 at 08:47 AM
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p.4 #10 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


The OM-1 also has 0.92x and 97% coverage (but maybe a longer eyepoint?).
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/624487-a-comparison-of-viewfinder-sizes/



May 21, 2012 at 09:23 AM
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p.4 #11 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


mawz wrote:
Actually neither the MX nor the LX has a 1:1 finder, that's only available with the Voigtlander Bessa R3 bodies.

The MX has 92% at .97x magnification with a VERY short eyepoint (I found the MX to cause serious eyestrain when I used it due to this). The LX has a much more conventional finder with a magnification around 0.8x but 95% x 98% coverage (assuming the standard FA-1 finder, you of course have other magnification options with the other LX finders).


actually the MX is 95% at .97x, the ME is 92% at .97x. .97% is pretty close to 1:1



May 21, 2012 at 10:49 AM
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p.4 #12 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


AhamB wrote:
The OM-1 also has 0.92x and 97% coverage (but maybe a longer eyepoint?).
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/624487-a-comparison-of-viewfinder-sizes/


Lower magnification (0.92x vs 0.97x) but better coverage (97% vs 95%). I found the OM-1 to be at the upper bounds of usable magnification, where the MX was just too much.



May 21, 2012 at 10:54 AM
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p.4 #13 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


sebboh wrote:
actually the MX is 95% at .97x, the ME is 92% at .97x. .97% is pretty close to 1:1


Yep, I was working from memory and oopsed on the coverage.



May 21, 2012 at 10:54 AM
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p.4 #14 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


I have a CZ 50/1.7 and it's excellent. Would recommend it over many of the OM 50s.

However, despite that, I am in no hurry to switch systems. If I want to shoot Zeiss I'll stick to the RF lenses.



May 22, 2012 at 09:40 PM
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p.4 #15 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


So where's all the B&W stuff, Fly? We're waiting for you in the film thread.



May 23, 2012 at 11:26 PM
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p.4 #16 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


Unfortunately I'm still traveling for work right now but I can't wait.


May 24, 2012 at 02:29 AM
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p.4 #17 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


Only one camera? That's not easy. With film, I shoot OM (OM-1, 2 and 3 through almost 40 years), Contax RX and Nikon F6. For the real retro romantic feeling, I guess the OM cameras are hard to beat; small size, nice lenses, cheap and easy to live with. Any of the single digit bodies will do the job. Contax is very nice, and I haven't had any problems with mine. Others have though. For me, the strongest argument to keep it is the 85mm f/1.4. That's the sweetest portrait lens, and surprisingly compact too. Usually rather costly, but I found a somewhat scruffy copy with great glass for $300 a couple of years ago. I haven't taken photos with any Nikon FE or FM, but everything feels a bit smoother than with the OMs, so maybe they'll last longer.

F3? Nah... if I want heavy and am on a budget, I would look towards the F100. Fantastic camera that will last forever and can be found very cheap.


Edit: Be aware that the OM-1 uses batteries that aren't available any longer, but there are modifications available that take care of that.



May 24, 2012 at 05:18 AM
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p.4 #18 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


mawz wrote:
Actually neither the MX nor the LX has a 1:1 finder, that's only available with the Voigtlander Bessa R3 bodies.

The MX has 92% at .97x magnification with a VERY short eyepoint (I found the MX to cause serious eyestrain when I used it due to this). The LX has a much more conventional finder with a magnification around 0.8x but 95% x 98% coverage (assuming the standard FA-1 finder, you of course have other magnification options with the other LX finders).

The OM-2, OM-2SP and OM-4(T) have very similar TTL-OTF metering systems to the LX.

Personally, I'd pick the OM's over the
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The Finders are close enought to 1:1 to use them with both eyes open(50mm).
I never found any other camera were this was posible, not Nikon nore Contax nore Olympus.
Plus "The Of the Film" Metering of Olympus just metered before exposure not during as the LXs.

Sticky Mirror can be easyly cured.

I would pick the LX over the MX. But the build of the MX is as good as can be.




May 24, 2012 at 01:25 PM
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p.4 #19 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


Personally, I'd pick the OM's over the MX, but the LX over the OM's.

That chimes with my experience exactly, and I completely agree. The MX is a tough simple camera, but the viewfinder, though large is not that bright, same goes for the OMs. The MX metering can also be cranky (though very intuitive to use through the viewfinder). Om lenses are generally great, but their bodies, though very nice and small, and with the exception of the OM3/4tis, are not top quality.

The LX, on the other hand, is a really refined beast. Very, very tough, superb viewfinder (with very intuitive and effective LED meter indication), excellent, reliable metering, interchangeable prisms: in every respect a large cut above the MX, and better than any OMs. As said above, sticky mirror, if a problem (I've never had it) is easy to fix.

Nevertheless, I would definitely go, nowadays, for a Nikon FM3a - exactly the same size and weight as the LX, but much newer. There is also a much bigger, better and more easily available lens selection. There are some lens gems in the Pentax range (the 50/1.4 is one of them) but Nikon's range is generally more impressive.

As far as handling goes, I prefer the LX metering (easy to see in all lights, unlike the FM3a) but still, the more recent production of the FM3a, the fact that it is almost the last of the all metal construction SLRs, and the great lens choice, would make me go for that, if I were buying now - even over my much loved and well used LX.




May 24, 2012 at 03:26 PM
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p.4 #20 · Nikon F3 vs Olympus OM2 - 50mm F1.4


jan_haidn wrote:
The Finders are close enought to 1:1 to use them with both eyes open(50mm).
I never found any other camera were this was posible, not Nikon nore Contax nore Olympus.
Plus "The Of the Film" Metering of Olympus just metered before exposure not during as the LXs.

Sticky Mirror can be easyly cured.

I would pick the LX over the MX. But the build of the MX is as good as can be.



The LX has approximately the same finder magnification as an F3 with a non-HP finder or an F2 at about 0.8x. It's not even close to the same as the MX's 0.97x finder (frankly I think the LX's FA-1W finder is damned near the best one available in a 35mm SLR when paired with a LX 2000 focusing screen. The MX...Not so much).

Sticky Mirror is an easy fix, but a recurring issue affecting all LX's. Your LX will eventually get it and need repair (as it's an issue with rubber deteriorating with time). The only prevention is regular CLA's (every 5-10 years).

And the MX, while well built, is not comparable to the build of a LX or F3. It is comparable to the OM-1 though.



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