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A few months back I posted a "what lens to take" thread for a Greek island cruise vacation that we've now returned from. We had a really great time and I experienced a lot of places that had been on my life list for a long time. Now, of course, I'd like to go back and visit some of the areas in more detail and spend a little more time on my own. The trip gave me the opportunity to shoot in a lot of different, and often new, photographic venues - museums, archeological sites, architecture shots, street shots in little towns and people's homes. The trip emphasis was very different from my usual wildlife/landscape oriented trips although the landscapes were magnificent. In addition to my trusty 5D2 kit, I took a new Canon G1X, and have been using Adobe Lightroom 4 to work up the images. As a primarily travel photographer who avidly reads "what to take" posts, I thought it might be valuable to post my gear related experiences and opinions while they are still fresh.

The trip was the Overseas Adventure Travel trip described here. I posted a few images from the trip in the 24-105 thread here and here. For the photographer these types of trips offer a great set of compromises. You get to see a large number of really photogenic places in a short period of time with comfortable accommodations and in a fairly small group, 25 in this case. The downside is they don't cater to serious photography, there is no time to fuss with tripods or even a lot of lens changes. The Topkapi Palace Museum confiscated my tripod to be returned on exit; I stopped carrying it. Your gear has to fit in a small pack that you can manage on and off the bus or boat, in crowds, shops and museums. You are often away from your accommodations, i.e. main gear, all day. Of the 50 passengers on our small vessel (two groups), one had a Canon Rebel and two had Nikon equivalents, all with just the kit lens. Everyone else had point & shoots. But the pace is casual and you have time on your own, for shopping , so there is plenty of opportunity for photography.

5D2 kit

The gear I took was a 5D2 + 24-105, 70-200 f4 IS, and 17-40 in very distorted order of usage. Looking back at my "what lens to take" thread the most common suggestion was the two lens 17-40 + 70-200 set. This would have been a big mistake. I used the 17-40 only twice and it wasn't really necessary. For architectural shots the natural distortions of wide FOV lenses is hard to predict and accommodate. For landscapes, I prefer a stitched panorama or a panning video clip to an overly wide, narrow strip of scenery. I know there are those who enjoy really wide so go for it. But for me the 24 end of the 24-105 was plenty. Image stabilization on the other hand is mandatory. I used my tripod around our hotels a few times, but with IS and the 5D2's high ISO capability it wasn't really necessary. I was surprised to find that photography is allowed in most museums - but no flash, no tripods, and "no posing in front of statues" . Here the 5D2 and 24-105 was quite adequate as you can see from the images referenced above. A faster lens might have worked better for museums but f4 already seemed marginally shallow in some of the shots. An Expodisc to help with the indoor white balance would have been very useful. In passing, I took a 270EX flash but didn't use it. When I used flash, I used the G1X.

The 70-200 f4 IS is a wonderful travel lens. With a 67 to 58 reducer ring and a 500D closeup filter it takes wonderful closeups. On this trip, I didn't often need more than 100 mm and my general experience has been that if I need more than 100, I need more than 200. So, most trips where there is the possibility of wildlife I take my 100-400. I wouldn't have wanted to carry the 100-400 on any of these outings so the 70-200 would win the argument and go again if I repeated this trip. I'll add that the other lens I enjoy traveling with, if I can justify its weight, is the 100L macro.

G1X

The G1X proved to be a delightful surprise on this trip. I've had the G3, G6, and most recently the G10. When I read that the G1X had a 7D equivalent sensor, I had to get one before this trip; I wanted a 2nd body. The Gs have been great P&S cameras to take backpacking, hiking, or when photography was secondary, like Disneyland. If you've used a recent G series camera, you know how the G1X handles. To me the G1X feels and handles just like the G10. I've read all sorts of reviews that say its expensive, chunky, heavy, slow, or the lens is this that or the other. Well, its a G with a big plus, the IQ. DxO tests the sensor to be equivalent at the pixel level to the Canon 18 MP APSC sensors and the lens optically equal to the 15-85. The G1X costs about the same as a 15-85 lens.

When I first brought the G1X home I set up a tripod and took some test shots using the G10, G1X, and 5Dc + 24-105. I optimized the settings for landscape useing 360 ISO for the G1X and 5D and 80 ISO for the G10, taking shots of the canyon side a mile across from my back yard. I first used the candidate DNG converter but have since revisited those files with Lightroom 4. The G1X IQ is a vast improvement over the G10 at its base ISO and one has to view the G1X files at 100% so see any differences with the 5Dc (all 3 cameras have nearly equal horizontal pixel dimensions). The biggest difference I noticed was that the 5D nailed the exposure more consistently. In practical use on this trip the IQ between the G1X and the 5D2 was nearly identical, i.e. you can tell the difference at 100% but not when viewing the images full width on a 27" iMac display. And this was across all ISOs; some of the ISO 1600 keeper museum shots were from the G1X. My wife used the G1X a lot while I was on the 5D so we have many near duplicates for comparison. Two G1X shots were referenced above and I'll post a couple more direct comparisons below. While I'll always prefer to use a DSLR when I can, the G1X was much less intrusive for street, social, and tourist shop use. The swivel display was great for holding over your head to get everyone at the table, and it takes quick and easy HD videos with effective IS. I'll add that if you are used to the closeup capabilities of small sensor P&Ss, you'll need a 250D or 500D closeup filter and a filter adaptor. In fact, buy two adaptors from Lensmate and keep your CPL on one. They are quick and easy to change bayonet adaptors.

Lightroom 4

Finally, I'd like to say a few things about Lightroom 4. Up to now I've been using Photoshop Elements to work up my images. I now always shoot in raw. With the 5Ds and even the 40D, post processing has been pretty simple, straighten the horizon, clone out a power line, add a little levels adjustment and some sharpening. In the raw converter, ACR, I mostly just chose between camera landscape, portrait, or standard color tones and that was it. Noise didn't seem much of an issue to deal with. All that changed when I got my 7D. With Elements 9 which supported the 7D, not only was I spending a lot more time in ACR but Adobe ruined Bridge so now I had go back to the old iView app to select images. I'd read the praises of LR from many forum posters but couldn't get much in the way of specific reasons. The sales literature sang the praises of LR's library function, which sounded too much like iPhoto's possessive library, and its photobook and print modules. I was hesitant but G1X raw support was available in LR and I could try it free for a month. I've been pleasantly surprised with LR and Adobe will get my money.

My wife and I came home with over 1700 images from this trip - new high. LR takes some learning (I recommend the free tutorial videos from Adobe and the for fee Kelby learning site) but it is a very efficient tool for wading through, comparing, selecting, and "developing" a lot of photographs. Its mostly an all-in-one application so its very fast to work up one image and move to the next. In fact you never really need to leave the develop module. The Develop module is a scaled up ACR that provides all the basic tools for working up digital photographs without the graphic paint shop features you usually don't need. They seem to have picked all the right photographic tools. The lens correction pane gives access to Adobe's database of lens corrections which easily deals with the 24-105's distortion and vignetting at 24. There is also a set of manual sliders for dealing with a full range of perspective distortions. These were extremely useful for mitigating the warped views I captured of arches, pillars, and minarets. The noise reduction pane seems to work better than in Elements' ACR. Finally, its very simple to send a corrected tiff over to Elements to clone out a power line and then have the saved image in LR when you get back. I then export the images flagged pick to a trip folder in my Pictures directory.

I'm not a professional photographer, but I want to do the best I can when capturing an image. My kit also has to have the flexibility to capture anything I see and want to see again, and still be manageable while traveling. I've been doing digital since the G3 and 10D in 2003 and this G1X 5D2 kit is the best yet and fit my needs perfectly for this kind of trip.

Here are a couple of comparison shots between the G1X and 5D2:



May 10, 2012 at 11:52 AM
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Nice write up Jeff.

I prefer the G1X shots in both cases. Shadows are a bit blocked up on 5D II first shot. Not sure why you shot the vase at f/6.3 on G1X and f/4 on 5D II, unless you weren't comparing them and wnated the full DOF from the G1X.




May 10, 2012 at 06:14 PM
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Good shooting and good write-up.
I would enjoy a trip to Greece when their turmoil dies down and my
funds are sufficient.



May 11, 2012 at 12:10 AM
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The comparison shots were unintended at the time with my wife using the G1X in P mode and auto ISO. I usually shoot the 5D2 in Av mode but had the ISO set to auto and fixed at f4 for the museum shots. It is interesting to see the perspective difference on the vase shot - I had the 5D VF to my eye while Donna held the G1X slightly lower, perhaps a better angle.

I wouldn't worry about the turmoil in Greece as a travel risk. It is not in any way anti tourist and the Greeks are generally friendly and out going. They acknowledge the economic downturn but its similar in many ways to what we've been experiencing in the US. They haven't turned the corner yet.



May 11, 2012 at 12:49 AM
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. I used the 17-40 only twice and it wasn't really necessary. For architectural shots the natural distortions of wide FOV lenses is hard to predict and accommodate. For landscapes, I prefer a stitched panorama or a panning video clip to an overly wide, narrow strip of scenery. I know there are those who enjoy really wide so go for it. But for me the 24 end of the 24-105 was plenty. Image stabilization on the other hand is mandatory ,



I wouldn't buy FF camera if i would shot 24mm widest, you are not taking a full advantage of it. Stitching is not always perfect solution as well, depends on shots and details etc. My suggestion is to sell both 24-105L & 17-40L and get 16-35LII and you would be perfectly happy with super wide shots as well as 24mm too. I do.



May 12, 2012 at 07:23 AM
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Thanks Breitling. I'm not going to get rid of my 17-40, its a fine lens, especially stopped down a bit. I certainly take it with me when I take my automobile travel kit. I've just found that I don't use the 17-24 range often enough to justify its weight for air travel, just as you don't seem to need focal lengths between 35 and 70. I can't imagine not having the 24-105 with its range and IS and generally excellent IQ. The 24-105 has its issues at the 24 end, but LR 4 takes care of those with a single mouse click. As for not needing FF, I find that even my 5Dc camera has better IQ than either my 40D or present 7D no matter what focal length I'm shooting at. This is an individual taste but I find the IQ difference between the prosumer crop and FF cameras more significant than the difference between the 24-105's 24 and the 24L. Just me. Cheers.




May 12, 2012 at 11:26 AM
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After acquiring a G1X I sold my "vacation" T2i and never looked back. It's a true gem.


May 12, 2012 at 11:49 AM
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What do you use to convert the electric from 110 to 220 ??


May 13, 2012 at 09:53 PM
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Interesting read...I have the G10 and have been considering the G1X (when the price drops...as it will) but each time I use my G10 I am impressed all over again.

I freely admit to only using ISO 100 for colour...and up to ISO 400 for B+W (images that I anticipate converting to B+W) and I also like the solid construction of the camera and the way it slips easily into my jacket pockets....so it is with me all the time.

On my 27" 1Mac the detail captured is amazing...particularly so considering the sensor size. I would like to think the 1Gx give a marked improvement......but it is hard to imagine how it can.

I also have the 17 - 40L.....I normally use that on a 40D.....the G10 doesn't match that.....but I still use the G10 more as it is portable....

Regarding the Greek trip......it will be years before the economy there recovers...but if Greece bails out of the Euro then dollars will buy an aweful lot of Drachmas.....(I think that is the spelling!!). You might find the dollar goes further against the euro just now as well...it is having problems at long last......the markets are realizing that Germany is the only major viable economy in the whole euro setup....



May 14, 2012 at 06:02 AM
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I noticed some typos in the above.....but despite trying several times to do an edit the changes weren't applied!!


May 14, 2012 at 06:07 AM
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epphoto wrote:
What do you use to convert the electric from 110 to 220 ??


All the recent chargers we have, Canon & 3rd party camera chargers, and the various shaver, cell phone and iStuff chargers all seem to take either 110 or 220. European countries, including Greece, Turkey, and I'll add French Polynesia from other travels, just require the small adaptor that turns 110's two flat prongs into 220's two round ones. REI has them. My Power 2000 camera charger from Amazon came with both the European 220 adaptor and a 12 Volt car adaptor. I like those because they all use the same base with interchangeable tops to fit the various batteries. But you have to buy the whole unit to fit each battery type. At least they are cheap.

I haven't been there recently but I think Great Britain requires a different and larger style of adaptor.


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May 14, 2012 at 09:59 AM
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Jeff -- Thanks for the fine write-up of your experiences. I hope to see more photos from your trip.

You pretty well confirm what I found on two recent trips: smaller is often better for family trips.

When I went to Yosemite, I loved the combination of 1Ds2 and G10. For our recent Mexican cruise, I completely left the DSLR home for the first time, and compared the G10 and M4/3. The M4/3 was so superior image-wise, that I'm seriously considering selling the G10. I realize the G1X is slightly better IQ than the M4/3, so I think you are right on the money to recommend it. I can certainly imagine taking only the G1X on vacation and leaving all P&S and IL cameras at home.

Note: one thing I really appreciated about the G10 and its shorter focal lengths was the addition of really great IS. My M4/3 is not nearly as good for that. I can routinely get 1/15 sec sharp shots at 6.1mm, and nothing close with 14mm on the M4/3. Hopefully you can comment on how the G1X's IS compares to the G10 and 5D2 with 24-105 IS.




May 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM
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Jeff,
I see you have posted the G!X review. Great, thanks for the info. Now I have to convince my wife that the G1X is going to be much better than her G11.




May 14, 2012 at 10:42 AM
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anthonygh wrote:
...I have the G10 and have been considering the G1X (when the price drops...as it will) but each time I use my G10 I am impressed all over again.

I freely admit to only using ISO 100 for colour...and up to ISO 400 for B+W (images that I anticipate converting to B+W) and I also like the solid construction of the camera and the way it slips easily into my jacket pockets....so it is with me all the time.

On my 27" 1Mac the detail captured is amazing...particularly so considering the sensor size. I would like to think the 1Gx give a
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I loved my G10 too, up until I saw the G1X results from this trip. My early testing had shown that the G1X lens is sharper than the G10 lens, but as you said, you might not see it even on a 27" iMac. I noticed I could get some CA on mountain ridges with the G10 and saw none of that with the G1X. (But I also notice that Lightroom 4 has lens corrections for the G10 so I should go back and revisit those images.)

The big difference with the G1X is its ability to cleanly handle higher ISOs. It seems better to me than my 7D both in low and higher ISO noise. (I tend to only use the 7D when I'm pushing reach so this may not be a fair comparison.) For a P&S the G1X was amazing at night street and dining situations without flash. Like you, I would only use my G10 at or below ISO 200 and almost exclusively daylight unless using flash. Not with the G1X. ISO 500 or 600 requires little if any noise correction and ISO 1600 cleans up well with a bit of resolution loss. I used auto ISO with the "slow" rate of change adjustment. I'm going to bump that up to "normal".

In terms of handling, you should see little difference from your G10 and none after a day of use. I used the Lensmate adaptors on the G10 to semi permanently keep a CPL attached, so the G1X closes more compactly with its bayonet mount filter adaptor. The two cameras should be as easily pocketable. There is the same weight difference as between the 5D2 and 5D3 (those Digic 5 processors must be heavy ) or between the 40D and 7D (about 3 oz).

To me the G1X has crossed a line in terms of image quality. I feel like I am sacrificing very little in terms of IQ if I use the G1X instead of a DSLR. I know this is a very subjective distinction and one can always mount the perfect lens on a DSLR for a given situation so no arguments please.



May 14, 2012 at 11:13 AM
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I'm late to this thread as I have a G1X arriving tomorrow.

I'd like to ask why

I optimized the settings for landscape useing 360 ISO for the G1X and 5D and 80 ISO for the G10

Why 360 ISO on the G1X?

Also from any other G1X users, any tips?



May 14, 2012 at 01:42 PM
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dhphoto wrote:
Why 360 ISO on the G1X?


It seemed like a good choice at the time. I think it was to push the ISO a bit since when I purchased early on the big advantage over the G10 had to be in handling higher ISO. Using ISO 360 with the G10 imparts noticeable noise. Also, I use ISO 360 a lot with my 7D with the 100-400 daylight. I had a short period of time before leaving on the trip to assess the G1X. Needless to say it passed with flying colors. It is very clean at ISO 360 and its lens turned out to be noticeably better than the G10's.

Tips coming from another G or other P&S: It has a crop sized sensor, not a P&S sized sensor, treat it that way. Its f2.8 lens at the wide end is going to have a shallow depth of field which you may not want for landscape type shots. Also, f8 is quite useable and won't yet be causing diffraction. Its close focus ability is like that of a crop kit lens, not an earlier G. You will want to get a close-up filter like a 250D if Canon ever fills their back orders. The 500D I have works well at the longer focal lengths but I think the 250D will be a better solution. You'll need to use "macro" mode more often than you think, which is kind of a pain. I think its kind of a focus limiter to keep the contrast detect AF as fast as possible.

This is also a DOF related difference but you have to be a bit more careful where you put the focus point since you will see where DOF limits are. With small sensors it is easy to get in the habit of just pointing the camera in the general direction of interest and shooting - P&S. This one will bite you if you do.

DH: I'd appreciate your impressions after you receive yours.


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May 14, 2012 at 02:15 PM
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As an owner and admirer of a G10 I am looking forward to testing out the G1X, although I do so wish Canon had made the viewfinder better.

My holiday kit is going to be similar to yours: 5D, Tamron 28-75, S90 and hopefully G1X.

I will report back



May 14, 2012 at 02:21 PM
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I thought about the G1X but after playing it with it and seeing that woeful OVF and reading about some of the other stupid things Canon have done to this camera I decided to get the Olympus OM-D instead. Probably would have got the G1X even if they offered a high quality hot-shoe mounted EVF option.


May 14, 2012 at 05:47 PM
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Lots of little things:

1) No filter thread! Need to buy adapter, but tcan't used lens cap with filter
2) No WA or tele adapter
3) 13% smaller battery from SX40 compared to G12, and << 300 shots or about 30% fewer shots!
4) Loss of ISO dial
5) No TTL flash metering in M mode!
6) 1.2fps RAW!
7) Average AF speed, light years behind best mirrorless cameras.
8) Very poor close focus ability, far worse for macro than competitors
9) Almost no control over video

Yes there are a lot of nice features, but these issues coupled with crap VF made me give it a miss. IQ looks excellent however. I think this sensor will find it's way into a mirrorless camera sooner rather than later.



May 14, 2012 at 10:49 PM
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The G1X arrived at the same time as a natty little black ever-ready case and two spare batteries (off ebay)

Initial impressions are very good for IQ, very good indeed, but it's a camera that Canon so nearly got right but not quite.

The close focusing really is bad, macro cuts in even further away than you'd think and the viewfinder is just useless without any kind of aid to show you where you've focused (I was aware of this from the G10 but still)

I wish I could disable the video button as I won't ever use it and it's just heavy enough to make me drop it if I'm not careful so I'm using a wrist strap for safety.

But, as Jeff said, the IQ is miles ahead of the G10 and my initial tests with LR4 show 1600 ISO to be perfectly usable.

If I take anything worth posting I will.

So nearly Canon, so very nearly.



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