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p.7 #1f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
I don't know about the Rokkor. It's a great lens when I use it, but I don't as much as I'd like to. I refuse to carve mine up, so I've been thinking about trading it towards a ZM 35/2 Biogon. Just haven't found the impetus to do it yet.
Tell you guys what, I should have some shots to contribute this weekend (though probably not very many).
Tell you guys what, I should have some shots to contribute this weekend (though probably not very many).
Apr 19, 2012 at 08:28 PM
p.7 #2f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
Just came across this thread.
I've got the OM 50mm f1.2, the FD 50mm f1.2, Konica Hexanon 57mm f1.2, and FD 85mm f1.2 but I never shoot any of them AT f1.2 !
This thread will get me out trying them wide open and I'll post some of the more interesting results in coming days.
The real fun will begin when the OM-D arrives and I can try these lenses with its five-axis image stabilization!
I've got the OM 50mm f1.2, the FD 50mm f1.2, Konica Hexanon 57mm f1.2, and FD 85mm f1.2 but I never shoot any of them AT f1.2 !
This thread will get me out trying them wide open and I'll post some of the more interesting results in coming days.
The real fun will begin when the OM-D arrives and I can try these lenses with its five-axis image stabilization!
Apr 19, 2012 at 08:49 PM
p.7 #3f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
redisburning wrote:
I don't know about the Rokkor. It's a great lens when I use it, but I don't as much as I'd like to. I refuse to carve mine up, so I've been thinking about trading it towards a ZM 35/2 Biogon. Just haven't found the impetus to do it yet.
Tell you guys what, I should have some shots to contribute this weekend (though probably not very many).
who said anything about carving, you just have to remove a few screws and then screw them in again. it's totally reversible too (unless you shoot nikon).
I don't know about the Rokkor. It's a great lens when I use it, but I don't as much as I'd like to. I refuse to carve mine up, so I've been thinking about trading it towards a ZM 35/2 Biogon. Just haven't found the impetus to do it yet.
Tell you guys what, I should have some shots to contribute this weekend (though probably not very many).
who said anything about carving, you just have to remove a few screws and then screw them in again. it's totally reversible too (unless you shoot nikon).
Apr 19, 2012 at 09:20 PM
p.7 #4f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
freaklikeme wrote:
You guys are certainly making a strong argument for the Rokkor 58/1.2 at any rate. Alexandre's got a clean copy on the B&S boards that's kind of making me wish I still had a Canon on which to shoot it.
why!?! you've got the only FF slr that get get infinity with no mirror hang on the rokkor king.
here's a few comparison shots of f/1.2 (first shot) versus f/2 (second shot) with the lens on a sony a55:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2679/5856203758_44a3e292b5_o.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2651/5856203842_64da888937_o.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6149/5979761016_e0f505c838_o.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6029/5979761384_b8ac76bde2_o.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5027/5766898759_2099524b8f_o.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5186/5767440174_f7fef68cf3_o.jpg
sorry only closeups, i have some longer comparisons on my computer, i'll have to find.
You guys are certainly making a strong argument for the Rokkor 58/1.2 at any rate. Alexandre's got a clean copy on the B&S boards that's kind of making me wish I still had a Canon on which to shoot it.
why!?! you've got the only FF slr that get get infinity with no mirror hang on the rokkor king.
here's a few comparison shots of f/1.2 (first shot) versus f/2 (second shot) with the lens on a sony a55:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2679/5856203758_44a3e292b5_o.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2651/5856203842_64da888937_o.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6149/5979761016_e0f505c838_o.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6029/5979761384_b8ac76bde2_o.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5027/5766898759_2099524b8f_o.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5186/5767440174_f7fef68cf3_o.jpg
sorry only closeups, i have some longer comparisons on my computer, i'll have to find.
Apr 19, 2012 at 11:06 PM
p.7 #5f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
so the noct-nikkor is only good for night time flaring? bokeh so-so? (rokkor better?)
Apr 19, 2012 at 11:07 PM
p.7 #6f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
crazeazn wrote:
so the noct-nikkor is only good for night time flaring? bokeh so-so? (rokkor better?)
it's designed to be extremely well corrected for coma and is not the sharpest f/1.2 lens (neither is the rokkor). i've never seen a good comparison of it's bokeh to other lenses. tbh all f/1.2 lenses have pretty busy bokeh at f/1.2, the rokkor just happens to be a more pleasant type of crazy than most (always a matter of opinion).
i do know that nate (twok) has one of the most awesome portrait ever with that lens wide open where the bokeh definitely contributes to the photo. hope he doesn't mind me linking it.
so the noct-nikkor is only good for night time flaring? bokeh so-so? (rokkor better?)
it's designed to be extremely well corrected for coma and is not the sharpest f/1.2 lens (neither is the rokkor). i've never seen a good comparison of it's bokeh to other lenses. tbh all f/1.2 lenses have pretty busy bokeh at f/1.2, the rokkor just happens to be a more pleasant type of crazy than most (always a matter of opinion).
i do know that nate (twok) has one of the most awesome portrait ever with that lens wide open where the bokeh definitely contributes to the photo. hope he doesn't mind me linking it.
Apr 19, 2012 at 11:20 PM
p.7 #7f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
Great thread and images!
Some more love for the Rokkor 58/1.2, I believe I haven´t posted this before:
Edited on Jun 09, 2016 at 04:53 AM · View previous versions
Some more love for the Rokkor 58/1.2, I believe I haven´t posted this before:
Edited on Jun 09, 2016 at 04:53 AM · View previous versions
Apr 20, 2012 at 05:27 AM
p.7 #8f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
sebboh wrote:
it's designed to be extremely well corrected for coma and is not the sharpest f/1.2 lens (neither is the rokkor). i've never seen a good comparison of it's bokeh to other lenses. tbh all f/1.2 lenses have pretty busy bokeh at f/1.2, the rokkor just happens to be a more pleasant type of crazy than most (always a matter of opinion).
i do know that nate (twok) has one of the most awesome portrait ever with that lens wide open where the bokeh definitely contributes to the photo. hope he doesn't mind me linking it.
There is a old thread from this forum about four years ago that had a lot of debate about the Noct-Nikkor vs. the Rokkor with a lot of shots from each lens, but never the same subject as nobody had both lenses if I recall correctly. My memory is that the Noct-Nikkor had slightly creamier bokeh and clearly better chroma correction. I did think, however, that the Rokkor was clearly better stopped down where the Noct-Nikkor was not all that great. These are just my impression, however, and with full disclosure I own the Rokkor and have never used the Noct-Nikkor.
crazeazn wrote
so the noct-nikkor is only good for night time flaring? bokeh so-so? (rokkor better?)i do know that nate (twok) has one of the most awesome portrait ever with that lens wide open where the bokeh definitely contributes to the photo. hope he doesn't mind me linking it.
There is a old thread from this forum about four years ago that had a lot of debate about the Noct-Nikkor vs. the Rokkor with a lot of shots from each lens, but never the same subject as nobody had both lenses if I recall correctly. My memory is that the Noct-Nikkor had slightly creamier bokeh and clearly better chroma correction. I did think, however, that the Rokkor was clearly better stopped down where the Noct-Nikkor was not all that great. These are just my impression, however, and with full disclosure I own the Rokkor and have never used the Noct-Nikkor.
Apr 20, 2012 at 06:38 AM
p.7 #9f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
twoeye wrote:
Great thread and images!
Some more love for the Rokkor 58/1.2, I believe I haven´t posted this before:
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6192/6155234675_754b1b9ecd_b.jpg
Beautiful shot. Very well done.
Great thread and images!
Some more love for the Rokkor 58/1.2, I believe I haven´t posted this before:
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6192/6155234675_754b1b9ecd_b.jpg
Beautiful shot. Very well done.
Apr 20, 2012 at 06:39 AM
p.7 #10f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
sebboh wrote:
why!?! you've got the only FF slr that get get infinity with no mirror hang on the rokkor king.
here's a few comparison shots of f/1.2 (first shot) versus f/2 (second shot) with the lens on a sony a55:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2679/5856203758_44a3e292b5_o.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2651/5856203842_64da888937_o.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6149/5979761016_e0f505c838_o.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6029/5979761384_b8ac76bde2_o.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5027/5766898759_2099524b8f_o.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5186/5767440174_f7fef68cf3_o.jpg
sorry only closeups, i have some longer comparisons on my computer, i'll have to find.
This matches my experience with my Rokkor. Stopped down to f/2 it is considerably sharper and often has better bokeh. Nevertheless, some shots look best and quite phenomenal wide open. I probably shoot it at f/2 more than wide open, however.
freaklikeme wrote
You guys are certainly making a strong argument for the Rokkor 58/1.2 at any rate. Alexandre's got a clean copy on the B&S boards that's kind of making me wish I still had a Canon on which to shoot it.here's a few comparison shots of f/1.2 (first shot) versus f/2 (second shot) with the lens on a sony a55:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2679/5856203758_44a3e292b5_o.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2651/5856203842_64da888937_o.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6149/5979761016_e0f505c838_o.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6029/5979761384_b8ac76bde2_o.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5027/5766898759_2099524b8f_o.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5186/5767440174_f7fef68cf3_o.jpg
sorry only closeups, i have some longer comparisons on my computer, i'll have to find.
This matches my experience with my Rokkor. Stopped down to f/2 it is considerably sharper and often has better bokeh. Nevertheless, some shots look best and quite phenomenal wide open. I probably shoot it at f/2 more than wide open, however.
Apr 20, 2012 at 06:40 AM
p.7 #12f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
Steve Spencer wrote:
it's designed to be extremely well corrected for coma and is not the sharpest f/1.2 lens (neither is the rokkor). i've never seen a good comparison of it's bokeh to other lenses. tbh all f/1.2 lenses have pretty busy bokeh at f/1.2, the rokkor just happens to be a more pleasant type of crazy than most (always a matter of opinion).
i do know that nate (twok) has one of the most awesome portrait ever with that lens wide open where the bokeh definitely contributes to the photo. hope he doesn't mind me linking it.There is a old thread from this forum about four years ago that had a lot of debate about the Noct-Nikkor vs. the Rokkor with a lot of shots from each lens, but never the same subject as nobody had both lenses if I recall correctly. My memory is that the Noct-Nikkor had slightly creamier bokeh and clearly better chroma correction. I did think, however, that the Rokkor was clearly better stopped down where the Noct-Nikkor was not all that great. These are just my impression, however, and with full disclosure I own the Rokkor and have never used...Show more →
there is one near me, maybe i should buy it
sebboh wrote
crazeazn wrote
so the noct-nikkor is only good for night time flaring? bokeh so-so? (rokkor better?)i do know that nate (twok) has one of the most awesome portrait ever with that lens wide open where the bokeh definitely contributes to the photo. hope he doesn't mind me linking it.
there is one near me, maybe i should buy it
Apr 20, 2012 at 11:54 AM
p.7 #13f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
sebboh wrote:
why!?! you've got the only FF slr that get get infinity with no mirror hang on the rokkor king.
I do? I was not aware of that. Alexandre's copy is already an EOS convert, so it would be silly for that not to go to a Canonite, but I'll have to look into an Alpha conversion. On a scale between "any monkey can do this" and "do you work in a machine shop?", how's difficult is the Alpha conversion?
freaklikeme wrote
You guys are certainly making a strong argument for the Rokkor 58/1.2 at any rate. Alexandre's got a clean copy on the B&S boards that's kind of making me wish I still had a Canon on which to shoot it.I do? I was not aware of that. Alexandre's copy is already an EOS convert, so it would be silly for that not to go to a Canonite, but I'll have to look into an Alpha conversion. On a scale between "any monkey can do this" and "do you work in a machine shop?", how's difficult is the Alpha conversion?
Apr 20, 2012 at 12:22 PM
p.7 #14f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
crazeazn wrote:
it's designed to be extremely well corrected for coma and is not the sharpest f/1.2 lens (neither is the rokkor). i've never seen a good comparison of it's bokeh to other lenses. tbh all f/1.2 lenses have pretty busy bokeh at f/1.2, the rokkor just happens to be a more pleasant type of crazy than most (always a matter of opinion).
i do know that nate (twok) has one of the most awesome portrait ever with that lens wide open where the bokeh definitely contributes to the photo. hope he doesn't mind me linking it.There is a old thread from this forum about four years ago that had a lot of debate about the Noct-Nikkor vs. the Rokkor with a lot of shots from each lens, but never the same subject as nobody had both lenses if I recall correctly. My memory is that the Noct-Nikkor had slightly creamier bokeh and clearly better chroma correction. I did think, however, that the Rokkor was clearly better stopped down where the Noct-Nikkor was not all that great. These are just my impression, however, and with full disclosure I own the Rokkor and have never used the Noct-Nikkor.there is one near me, maybe i should buy it
By all means do
I would love to see the comparisons.
Steve Spencer wrote
sebboh wrote
crazeazn wrote
so the noct-nikkor is only good for night time flaring? bokeh so-so? (rokkor better?)i do know that nate (twok) has one of the most awesome portrait ever with that lens wide open where the bokeh definitely contributes to the photo. hope he doesn't mind me linking it.
By all means do
I would love to see the comparisons.Apr 20, 2012 at 12:29 PM
p.7 #15f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
Great lens Rokkor 58/1.2 on crop DSLR 1D III, wide open.
http://machjakub.smugmug.com/Family/Svatba/i-9KmDGtB/0/XL/513Q4359-AdLr33-XL.jpg
http://machjakub.smugmug.com/Family/Svatba/i-9KmDGtB/0/XL/513Q4359-AdLr33-XL.jpg
Apr 20, 2012 at 12:53 PM
p.7 #16f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
Steve Spencer wrote:
it's designed to be extremely well corrected for coma and is not the sharpest f/1.2 lens (neither is the rokkor). i've never seen a good comparison of it's bokeh to other lenses. tbh all f/1.2 lenses have pretty busy bokeh at f/1.2, the rokkor just happens to be a more pleasant type of crazy than most (always a matter of opinion).
i do know that nate (twok) has one of the most awesome portrait ever with that lens wide open where the bokeh definitely contributes to the photo. hope he doesn't mind me linking it.There is a old thread from this forum about four years ago that had a lot of debate about the Noct-Nikkor vs. the Rokkor with a lot of shots from each lens, but never the same subject as nobody had both lenses if I recall correctly. My memory is that the Noct-Nikkor had slightly creamier bokeh and clearly better chroma correction. I did think, however, that the Rokkor was clearly better stopped down where the Noct-Nikkor was not all that great. These are just my impression, however, and with full disclosure I own the Rokkor and have never used the Noct-Nikkor.there is one near me, maybe i should buy it
By all means do I would love to see the comparisons.
kind of heretical using such a nice nikkor on a canon no? i'm going to put in an offer.
crazeazn wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
sebboh wrote
crazeazn wrote
so the noct-nikkor is only good for night time flaring? bokeh so-so? (rokkor better?)i do know that nate (twok) has one of the most awesome portrait ever with that lens wide open where the bokeh definitely contributes to the photo. hope he doesn't mind me linking it.
I would love to see the comparisons.kind of heretical using such a nice nikkor on a canon no? i'm going to put in an offer.
Apr 20, 2012 at 01:08 PM
p.7 #17f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
Sebboth wrote "it's designed to be extremely well corrected for coma and is not the sharpest f/1.2 lens (neither is the rokkor)." In your opinion what are some of the very sharpest f1.2 's thanks joanlvh
I really enjoy your photography, love the film
I really enjoy your photography, love the film
Apr 20, 2012 at 08:06 PM
p.7 #18f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
joanlvh wrote:
Sebboth wrote "it's designed to be extremely well corrected for coma and is not the sharpest f/1.2 lens (neither is the rokkor)." In your opinion what are some of the very sharpest f1.2 's thanks joanlvh
I really enjoy your photography, love the film
thanks! all the other f/1.2 lenses i've shot with (rokkor 50/1.2, canon FL 55/1.2, olympus pen f 42/1.2) are sharper wide open than both copies of the rokkor 58/1.2 i've owned. stopped down it's harder to say as they pretty much all outresolve the sensor across the frame by f/2.8. all the canons are supposed to be pretty sharp wide open (for an f/1.2 lens) as are OM 50/1.2 and the pentax 50/1.2. i can only talk about the ones i've actually shot with though.
freaklikeme wrote:
why!?! you've got the only FF slr that get get infinity with no mirror hang on the rokkor king.I do? I was not aware of that. Alexandre's copy is already an EOS convert, so it would be silly for that not to go to a Canonite, but I'll have to look into an Alpha conversion. On a scale between "any monkey can do this" and "do you work in a machine shop?", how's difficult is the Alpha conversion?
anybody that can work a drill and buy sandpaper can do it. the conversion to sony is exactly the same as the conversion to eos was prior to when people started selling kits for it except that you don't have to do any trimming of the retaining ring to get infinity. unfortunately, unlike eos, nobody sells kits for it now as far as i know, although there's this: http://www.pbase.com/pganzel/image/71175094
you can just follow paul's (cogitech's) instructions and replace the m42 to eos mount with a m42 to a-mount adapter (also, don't bother trimming the retaining ring):
http://www.cogitech.ca/Rokkor/index.html
i'm not a big fan of that method since it's destructive, but it will work just fine. the better way to do it is to just make a smaller spacer instead of trimming the existing one down (this requires a lathe though). in retrospect i should have just made a few dozen to sell when i converted mine instead of just one.
you can make a more ghetto spacer without a lathe if you want too: http://georgp.zenfolio.com/mc_rokkor_58_conversion
if you do it yourself you should make sure to tune infinity correctly. jim buchanan explains the best way to do that here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/726266/0&year=2009#6577191
note: i find a rubber band works fine to remove the id ring.
Sebboth wrote "it's designed to be extremely well corrected for coma and is not the sharpest f/1.2 lens (neither is the rokkor)." In your opinion what are some of the very sharpest f1.2 's thanks joanlvh
I really enjoy your photography, love the film
thanks! all the other f/1.2 lenses i've shot with (rokkor 50/1.2, canon FL 55/1.2, olympus pen f 42/1.2) are sharper wide open than both copies of the rokkor 58/1.2 i've owned. stopped down it's harder to say as they pretty much all outresolve the sensor across the frame by f/2.8. all the canons are supposed to be pretty sharp wide open (for an f/1.2 lens) as are OM 50/1.2 and the pentax 50/1.2. i can only talk about the ones i've actually shot with though.
freaklikeme wrote:
sebboh wrote
freaklikeme wrote
You guys are certainly making a strong argument for the Rokkor 58/1.2 at any rate. Alexandre's got a clean copy on the B&S boards that's kind of making me wish I still had a Canon on which to shoot it.anybody that can work a drill and buy sandpaper can do it. the conversion to sony is exactly the same as the conversion to eos was prior to when people started selling kits for it except that you don't have to do any trimming of the retaining ring to get infinity. unfortunately, unlike eos, nobody sells kits for it now as far as i know, although there's this: http://www.pbase.com/pganzel/image/71175094
you can just follow paul's (cogitech's) instructions and replace the m42 to eos mount with a m42 to a-mount adapter (also, don't bother trimming the retaining ring):
http://www.cogitech.ca/Rokkor/index.html
i'm not a big fan of that method since it's destructive, but it will work just fine. the better way to do it is to just make a smaller spacer instead of trimming the existing one down (this requires a lathe though). in retrospect i should have just made a few dozen to sell when i converted mine instead of just one.
you can make a more ghetto spacer without a lathe if you want too: http://georgp.zenfolio.com/mc_rokkor_58_conversionif you do it yourself you should make sure to tune infinity correctly. jim buchanan explains the best way to do that here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/726266/0&year=2009#6577191
note: i find a rubber band works fine to remove the id ring.
Apr 20, 2012 at 11:46 PM
p.7 #19f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
I think I found one or two links for an Alpha mount replacement for the Rokkor and posted it here once. Maybe they are still available.
Apr 21, 2012 at 01:30 AM
p.7 #20f/1.2 or faster lenses wide open
sebboh wrote:
anybody that can work a drill and buy sandpaper can do it. the conversion to sony is exactly the same as the conversion to eos was prior to when people started selling kits for it except that you don't have to do any trimming of the retaining ring to get infinity. unfortunately, unlike eos, nobody sells kits for it now as far as i know, although there's this: http://www.pbase.com/pganzel/image/71175094
you can just follow paul's (cogitech's) instructions and replace the m42 to eos mount with a m42 to a-mount adapter (also, don't bother trimming the retaining ring):
http://www.cogitech.ca/Rokkor/index.html
i'm not a big fan of...Show more →
I can work a drill (press, anyway, I'm a bit of a menace with the hand-held) and as long as I don't have to do anything but buy the sandpaper...
Thanks, D. It does look simple enough. I'm excited about this right now, but here's what I think will happen. I'll buy one and do the conversion. I'll shoot it for about a week on the a900 because I've never shot anything that fast on it and I want to see if I can focus it with the OVF. Then I'll remember why I don't buy ultra-fast lenses anymore and there will be an Alpha mount convert (with James Lao chip!) for sale on the boards.
I know this, and yet I still want to do it.
I think I may have a problem.
freaklikeme wrote
I do? I was not aware of that. Alexandre's copy is already an EOS convert, so it would be silly for that not to go to a Canonite, but I'll have to look into an Alpha conversion. On a scale between "any monkey can do this" and "do you work in a machine shop?", how's difficult is the Alpha conversion?you can just follow paul's (cogitech's) instructions and replace the m42 to eos mount with a m42 to a-mount adapter (also, don't bother trimming the retaining ring):
http://www.cogitech.ca/Rokkor/index.html
i'm not a big fan of...Show more →
I can work a drill (press, anyway, I'm a bit of a menace with the hand-held) and as long as I don't have to do anything but buy the sandpaper...
Thanks, D. It does look simple enough. I'm excited about this right now, but here's what I think will happen. I'll buy one and do the conversion. I'll shoot it for about a week on the a900 because I've never shot anything that fast on it and I want to see if I can focus it with the OVF. Then I'll remember why I don't buy ultra-fast lenses anymore and there will be an Alpha mount convert (with James Lao chip!) for sale on the boards.
I know this, and yet I still want to do it.
I think I may have a problem.
Apr 21, 2012 at 09:31 AM