p.2 #2 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
It's a good camera. Try one out when you can .... everything else is just smell of someone else's bullshit until you use it. Rest assured it has lots of improvements and lots of not-so-improvments.
p.2 #3 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
Dawei Ye wrote:
After reading the other 20 threads on this exact topic, I still don't know the answer
You won't until you try it your self most likely and we have full RAW support. It looks to be little better on detail at low ISO (weaker AA filter maybe) and a about 1/2-2/3 stop better at high ISO based on what I've seen. Seems to have less shadow banding. AF and speed are what's more exciting for me, but it would have been nice to have a few MP more and a bit more DR at least to ISO 400.
p.2 #4 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
just got mine today. anyone think the shutter sounds like crinkling tin foil? for some reason it doesn't sound
as fast at 6fps as I thought it would. However, so far, all my lenses are spot on with AF with no adjustment, even my Sigmas. Taking it out now to try it out at my sons tball game.
p.2 #5 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
I also just got it today and am very happy with the 6fps. Make sure you are on multi shot high mode and not just multi shot. That is the icon with 3 frames and the H next to it. Not just the 3 frames. I'm happy as I always found the 8 fps of my 7D to be overkill.
p.2 #8 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
Acidnaut wrote:
so now that a lot of you early adopters have used your 5D3s, would you say that it's that much better than a 5d2 besides the obvious AF improvement?
tell me what you think so far
Thanks!
I find the ultimate image quality at ISO 100 to be slightly improved, with better reds and easier to optimize skin tones, and in scenes with wide dynamic range, a bit more headroom and a bit more "enjoyable" detail in shadows.
At ISO 1600-12800, I find the qualitative impression of noise, colors, and detail to be slightly better.
All based on raw, processed in Lightroom. Incremental but worthwhile improvements.
The change in AF and all other aspects of handling, however, is revolutionary. Very worthwhile!
p.2 #10 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
I saw a clear and exact comparison between the 5d2 and 5d3 that someone did at low and high ISOs.
The major difference is the dynamic range - the shadow noise improvements are visible from ISO800 - the 5d3 just had detail and clarity that the 5d2 didn't have. ISO6400 and especially ISO12800 are usable on the 5d3 whereas IMO they weren't on the 5d2. They were still relatively noisy but no part of the image was unusable, whereas the shadow areas of the 5d2 didn't look good.
I'd say it was a good improvement having seen a comparison. However, it's not "twice as good" or anything. The tests were also not exhaustive - they were not lab tests and so they didn't equalise the exposures and real ISO values.
I'll put a few images together to show what I saw..
p.2 #11 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
AGeoJO wrote:
The 5D3 is capable of rendering 3D effect while the 5D2 just 2D effect. Just look at the difference in designation . Just kidding, just kidding.... .
p.2 #12 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
Here's the results I spoke of from the other photographer.
Note: these are NOT my tests and they were were NOT performed under "strict" conditions. They were resized to 5dC resolution (since that was also included) so these are 100% crops of 12Mp files. They were done in auto WB and they WB's were different between the two. My understanding is they were all processed in ACR. Don't shoot the messenger on any of this
My view on seeing these is that the DR of the mk3 has been improved quite significantly. However, I it's the midtones and shadows that see the major improvement - which is exactly where I want to see the improvement personally
p.2 #13 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
There is one major thing I would like to see improved in the 5DIII over my 5Dc (note the C for classic is the just to clarify) is the AF in the outer points.
Sick of focussing and recomposing.
Then I wonder if all this list is accomplished; (I guess yes)
2nd: Much better high ISO, meaning the ISO 4000 to 6400 must be about as good as the ISO 1200 on my 5Dc.
Why? I want to have good pictures in dark venues easier. ISO 1600 is the max I go with my 5Dc and sometimes
even with the 50 mm 1.4 is not enough to get shutters of 1/60 or 1/30 (and flash is not an option).
3rd: Proper sensor cleaning.
I know the 5DII has it so I assume it in the 5DIII. (sensor cleaning is a pain) Because I'm tired of taking dots in
PP or avoiding closer apertures in some situations.
4th: DR increase.
Why? this is my reason, I want to be able to have high key portrait editing in a cleaner way with NIK software
plugin
Can someone tell if this will happen?
5th...: shutter delay, FPS and AF lock has to be faster--I assume this one is there just reading the specs
6th: Screen Screen Screen---Want to check critical focus and use LV for some flower/portrait composition.
7th: More resolution for cropping or aligning some pictures. Yes, sometimes I do not align things as they should
8th: Two card slots for separate RAW/JPEG
9th: Better and brighter VF
10th: MF adjustment for all my lens.
These are my 10 points for an upgrade from 5Dc, I'm already having my planning done and convinced my "economy boss" (read wife lol) to back my idea up so no pain is taken when she sees the camera flying around the house.
I guess some of these points make it for the 5DII, this camera will be my workhorse for the next 5 years if nothing wrong happens to it.
Sorry if it is not applying fully to the topic, but I guess it is a good list for 5Dc users like me.
p.2 #14 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
AaronNegro wrote:
There is one major thing I would like to see improved in the 5DIII over my 5Dc (note the C for classic is the just to clarify) is the AF in the outer points.
Sick of focussing and recomposing.
Then I wonder if all this list is accomplished; (I guess yes)
2nd: Much better high ISO, meaning the ISO 4000 to 6400 must be about as good as the ISO 1200 on my 5Dc.
Why? I want to have good pictures in dark venues easier. ISO 1600 is the max I go with my 5Dc and sometimes even with the 50 mm 1.4 is not enough to get shutters of 1/60 or 1/30 (and flash is not an option).
3rd: Proper sensor cleaning.
I know the 5DII has it so I assume it in the 5DIII. (sensor cleaning is a pain) Because I'm tired of taking dots in
PP or avoiding closer apertures in some situations.
4th: DR increase.
Why? this is my reason, I want to be able to have high key portrait editing in a cleaner way with NIK software
plugin
Can someone tell if this will happen?
5th...: shutter delay, FPS and AF lock has to be faster--I assume this one is there just reading the specs
6th: Screen Screen Screen---Want to check critical focus and use LV for some flower/portrait composition.
7th: More resolution for cropping or aligning some pictures. Yes, sometimes I do not align things as they should
8th: Two card slots for separate RAW/JPEG
9th: Better and brighter VF
10th: MF adjustment for all my lens.
These are my 10 points for an upgrade from 5Dc, I'm already having my planning done and convinced my "economy boss" (read wife lol) to back my idea up so no pain is taken when she sees the camera flying around the house.
I guess some of these points make it for the 5DII, this camera will be my workhorse for the next 5 years if nothing wrong happens to it.
Sorry if it is not applying fully to the topic, but I guess it is a good list for 5Dc users like me.
So I don't own the 5d3 but I have read pretty much every report and so on I was going to get one then got sidetracked by the 1dx...
1. Yes. Outer points are great.
2. From RAW processed in ACR/LR I'd say ISO4000 and ISO6400 are usable. 5d2 was 3/4 stop better than the 5dc and 5d3 is about 1/2 stop better than the 5d2.
3. Yes. Apparently the 1dx has a new system, but I've found my 5d2 system to be good.
4. Low ISO DR is increased I believe, but high ISO DR definitely has increased.
5. It would appear so.
6. Much better than the 5dc!
7. Yes, up to ISO1600/3200 the crop room will be about 40% of the image, presuming your lens has the resolution to cope with this.
8. Yes
9. Don't know about this one compared with the 5dc.. It's at least as good and 100% coverage.
10. Yes.
The major issue that people have reported so far is with seeing which focus point you have selected in both low and bright light. I don't have one so I can't comment much about this.
p.2 #15 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
I traded my 5D2 for the new 5D3 and am thrilled thus far...the camera is quicker has several incremental improvements...ISO and low light performance is improved and the AF is dramatically better....much quicker to focus and more accurate from my perspective...the 5D2 was a great camera but we are 3 years later and technology marches on,the new camera is a real improvement
p.2 #16 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
At the end of the day its a roughly $1,500 surcharge for an AF system that actually focuses on the point you designate - it feels like I've broken the chains that bound me with the 5D2... Nearly everything else is incrementally better, except the af - the AF is revolutionary - for Canon - in this class of camera - I had to qualify that before some Nikon troll comes out of the woodwork touting the virtues of the D700's AF system :-)
I'm so invested in the Canon system and had pretty much had it with the outer points of the 5Dc and 5D2 that this camera saved me as a customer. If the 5D3s AF were not up to snuff with the latest from Nikon I may have sold it all and gone to the dark side. I'm happy to report the AF system is everything they've said it was and more, I swear it uses sonar...
However, to the OPs original question, is the sensor that much better? Perhaps to you and me as photographers, but to the average Joe in the world of iPhones and Androids who'll be evaluating your work...? Meh... not really.
p.2 #17 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
AGeoJO wrote:
The 5D3 is capable of rendering 3D effect while the 5D2 just 2D effect. Just look at the difference in designation . Just kidding, just kidding.... .
The real effect of 3D will come this Fall ... in the 3D-X.
p.2 #18 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
The more relevant question is ... is the improvement of the 5D III worth the $1,300 price difference. Many people will vote Nay. I would vote Yay ... even though I have not put dah money where my mouth is.
p.2 #19 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
fracas wrote:
IMHO with 5d2 the only focus which works is MF
lowa2 wrote:
You guys are hilarious with these types of statements....you've obviously never shot with an Olympus body...
The AF Is fine on the mk2. No it's not a 1d (which I have a mk3), but it sure works well enough...
I used an Oly E3 for about a year.
The 5d2 AF sucks. Even MF is iffy on the 5d2.
I haven't noticed a huge difference between IQ between the 5d2 and 5d3. The 5d3 + 600ex works very well though. I'd subjectively say it's better than the 5d2 and 580exII. Overall, the 5d3 is well worth the upgrade cost IMO.
p.2 #20 · 5D2 vs 5D3 - how much better is the 5D3's sensor?
I shot the 5D2 for over a year prior to the 5D3... And a 7D for more then a year before that.
To be the most honest I can be, the images themselves do not appear to be much different. Detail looks about the same (which is awesome) but the ISO performance is improved quite a bit especially at high ISO. ISO 12,800 is completely usable and 25,600 is fine as well for what it is. On this front, I see a 2-stop benefit over the 5D2. Less artifacts at high ISO, nicer looking grain, cleans up really nice.
Low ISO dynamic range out of gate may or may not be better. But the files are more easily pushed. This shot, for example, from a single RAW image. I had to push shadows quite heavily.
This is about as heavy as I ever push shadows or anything of the sort, and it passed with flying colors for me. I dd notice much more "stress" to 5D2 images in this regard.
So in the end, if you expect a ton more detail or dynamic range, you may not see it. But the 5D3 improves in high ISO performance, post-processed dynamic range and better noise grain.
But beyond the sensor qualities, you have huge improvements in AF, white balance, metering, ergonomics, viewfinder, etc... It's great.
. Just kidding, just kidding.... 
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