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p.1 #1 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


I just ordered this lens based on a couple of enthusiastic opinions I found on the net and the excellent MTF published on Zeiss website. Expected delivery December 2012, just in time for Christmas.

Zeiss MTF

Anyone here can tell me something about this lens that no one seems to own?



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:00 AM
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p.1 #2 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


I got one a few weeks ago off ebay.

First thing you notice is the size. The only other lens that I currently own for my NEX 7 is a Zeiss ZM 50 Planar which is much much smaller and much lighter.

I haven't had a huge amount of time to shoot lately so can't really comment on the quality of the lens yet. Hoping to get more time over the next few weeks.



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:24 AM
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p.1 #3 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


December 2012 ?. Is this for real or we're already in April ?
Edward, I'm sure that the Sonnar 85/2 must be stellar in every way, but even if I had the funds, I wouldn't have patience to wait 9 months. Unless you absolutely need the Zeiss look, there're plenty of Summicrons 90 out there.
( just my envious 2 cents.. )



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:24 AM
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p.1 #4 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


artur5 wrote:
December 2012 ?. Is this for real or we're already in April ?
Edward, I'm sure that the Sonnar 85/2 must be stellar in every way, but even if I had the funds, I wouldn't have patience to wait 9 months. Unless you absolutely need the Zeiss look, there're plenty of Summicrons 90 out there.
( just my envious 2 cents.. )


Hehehe, I know exactly what you mean

Not sure if you're aware that this lens is discontinued, but for some strange reason, Zeiss is still taking orders. It is made in Germany, expensive but still cheaper than any comparable Leica. I have a ZM 85/4 so I got this FL covered until December. I can wait no problem



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:31 AM
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p.1 #5 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


BenM wrote:
I got one a few weeks ago off ebay.

First thing you notice is the size. The only other lens that I currently own for my NEX 7 is a Zeiss ZM 50 Planar which is much much smaller and much lighter.

I haven't had a huge amount of time to shoot lately so can't really comment on the quality of the lens yet. Hoping to get more time over the next few weeks.


May I ask how much did you pay for it?



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:31 AM
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p.1 #6 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


AUD3.8k. I've seen some go for low 3's but they don't come up very often and so I just stumped up for it. In perfect condition.


Mar 20, 2012 at 06:33 AM
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BenM wrote:
AUD3.8k. I've seen some go for low 3's but they don't come up very often and so I just stumped up for it. In perfect condition.


Thank you Ben. I am paying 2200 euros + shipping (and hopefully no tax )



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:36 AM
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p.1 #8 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Congratulations Edward! This is beautiful lens. Read a fair few reviews on it. Wonder why Zeiss discontinued it?

May I ask how much you paid for it?

Edit - you answered that, thanks.



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:37 AM
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p.1 #9 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


SKumar25 wrote:
Congratulations Edward! This is beautiful lens. Read a fair few reviews on it. Wonder why Zeiss discontinued it?



Thanks! I wonder about the same thing. Maybe not enough orders, but really, I think that wasn't a smart decision.



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:41 AM
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p.1 #10 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Ben, it would be great if you could post some samples, either in this thread or here:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/860134/



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:44 AM
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p.1 #11 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Sounds like you got it a lot cheaper. Didn't even think that Zeiss would still be taking orders.

Edit: Will do once I get some time to take some decent shots with it.



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:45 AM
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p.1 #12 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


BenM wrote:
Sounds like you got it a lot cheaper. Didn't even think that Zeiss would still be taking orders.

Edit: Will do once I get some time to take some decent shots with it.


Well, you paid more but you actually got it. I am paying less but have to wait 9 months, enough time to make a baby

Looking forward to your photos.



Mar 20, 2012 at 06:53 AM
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p.1 #13 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Edward, where did you order it? Directly from Zeiss? If they're taking orders still, I would be interested in it at that price.

BTW, there was some discussion about it on getDPI: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/leica-m-x-r/34582-any-zeis-85-2-0-zm-users-here.html

Also a few random threads on RFF and the Leica forum.



Mar 20, 2012 at 08:12 PM
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p.1 #14 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Sirimiri has one - it definitely makes a statement on the camera!

Personally I'd prefer a .85 VF for long lenses on an RF, but what can you do. Maybe the M10 will have an X pro 1 style VF.



Mar 20, 2012 at 10:57 PM
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p.1 #15 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


corposant wrote:
Maybe the M10 will have an X pro 1 style VF.


That'd be cool. I'm sure it would also push the price up just a wee little bit.



Mar 20, 2012 at 11:10 PM
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p.1 #16 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Hi Mike, totally agreed about the VF. So far I have had no problems focusing the tele-tessar on the ZI, but I know f/2 is a very different story.


Mar 20, 2012 at 11:27 PM
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p.1 #17 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


I met up with another FM member today who happens to own the ZM85 Sonnar and had a chance to try it... Haven't yet looked at the results on the computer, but it was a nice lens to work with. Yes, it's a bit large in diameter, but didn't find it to be too heavy, nor to be excessively intrusive in the viewfinder. And unlike my 90 Summarit, it was really easy to focus because of the longer focus throw. When I get the images processed, I'll post some here, or in the M9 thread.

One thing about the lens though, which I think has been touched on in other threads, is that it's pretty easy to provoke fairly obvious blue fringing around white/near white areas in bright light. It seems to be a problem of the blue channel clipping or blowing out. Underexposing somewhat seems to remedy the problem. So, in harsh lighting conditions it may not be an ideal candidate, but other than that it seems to be very nice.



Mar 21, 2012 at 11:39 PM
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p.1 #18 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Great feedback, Ron. Will be awaiting to see your sample shots.


Mar 22, 2012 at 04:21 AM
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p.1 #19 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


rscheffler wrote:
Edward, where did you order it? Directly from Zeiss? If they're taking orders still, I would be interested in it at that price.


I contacted them today, they said they are still taking orders. Here it is: www.foto-huppert.de




Mar 22, 2012 at 11:28 AM
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p.1 #20 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Here are some samples, nothing fancy. Again, it's not my lens and since we wanted to go out on a photowalk rather than do test shots all day , the selection is not going to be a full range of apertures, subject matter, etc. I primarily concentrated on wide open with a few at f/2.8 as well, to get a feel for the lens and see if there is much difference between it and my 90 Summarit, other than the huge price gap.

There are differences.. At f/2.8 the Sonnar is sharper. It also has a more defined rendition of out of focus areas, and I'd dare say busier feel too. The more I use Leica lenses, the more it becomes apparent to me that Leica likes smooth background blur. Certainly not a new revelation for those with more experience with the two brands.

Start of with one at f/2.8, because that's the widest you can shoot on an M9 at base (not pulled) ISO at 1/4000 without blowing things out. Also, I should add, these were tweaked a bit for more pleasing (to me) contrast, but with no fill light or recovery, no clarity, default LR3 sharpening (25/1.0/25). Also the 1200px web images were not sharpened further to avoid altering edge details, etc.

#1:

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0005.jpg

#1 100% - you can barely see a bit of the purple/blue fringing around '30 Years' text:

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0005A.jpg

#2

f/2 (somewhat overexposed and pulled back in post, therefore contrast may not be indicative. LR contrast and curve settings kept the same as the following f/2.8 version, but probably best to judge sharpness here more than difference in contrast):

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0020.jpg

#2 100%:

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0020C.jpg

#3

f/2.8:

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0019.jpg

#3 100%:

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0019C.jpg

#4

f/2 with polarizer to avoid overexposure:

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0041.jpg

#4 100%:

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0041A.jpg

#5

Also f/2 with polarizer:

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0044.jpg

#5 100%:

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0044A.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0044B.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0044C.jpg

Edited on Mar 22, 2012 at 06:57 PM · View previous versions



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