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p.2 #1 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Some more at closer and medium distances. All at f/2 (it was getting dark)

All of these were output with no LR sharpening. Some have fill light applied. but still no clarity. Brightness at 50, Contrast at 35, Blackpoint at 5 (LR3 settings). WB and tone curve adjusted to taste.

#6
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0613.jpg

#6 100%: The plane of focus is not optimally on the text here, rather I cropped here to show the slight purple fringe that seems to be evident.

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0613A.jpg

#7
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0619.jpg

#7 100%:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0619A.jpg

#8:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0621.jpg

#9:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0623.jpg

#10:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0628.jpg

#11:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0638.jpg

#12:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0644.jpg

#13:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0648.jpg

#14:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0654.jpg

#15:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0657.jpg

#16:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0674.jpg

#17:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0675.jpg

#18:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0693.jpg

#19:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0697.jpg

#19 100%:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0697A.jpg

#20:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0700.jpg

#21:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0705.jpg

#22:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0706.jpg

#23:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0729.jpg

The following were kind of a test to see how the lens handles a very dark subject with a bright sky behind it. There was a bit of flare, more evident in the first, but could be countered in post.

#24:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0715.jpg

#25:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0719.jpg

BTW, the green band along the top left of the second to last image (#24) must be a byproduct of the sensor being overloaded. I had similar green bands when I used the Canon 1D, which also had a CCD sensor. And the band ends abruptly at the centre. I believe the M9 reads out each half of the sensor separately, which would explain this.

Also, the focusing feel of the lens is fabulous compared to the Summarit. The throw is longer and it makes it a lot easier to align the rangefinder patches. I was actually surprised I got as good results as I did... more than acceptable most of the time.



Mar 22, 2012 at 06:52 PM
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p.2 #2 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


At greater distances. Same LR settings, for the most part, but a few of the backlit scenes have had a fair amount of fill light applied, revealing some nasties. Fill light and highlight recovery (though none was used here) also introduce their own problems, such as enhancing edges, sometimes with hard transitions.

#26:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0653.jpg

#27:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0658.jpg

100%:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0658A.jpg

#28:
Fill light here was at 53
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0664.jpg

100%:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0664A.jpg

#29:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0665.jpg

#30:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0668.jpg

100%:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0668A.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0668B.jpg

#31:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0671.jpg

#32:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0689.jpg

#33:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0712.jpg

#34:
Here we have an interesting one - a torture test. Sun was setting behind the tree, tried to expose to retain as much value in the sky while not letting the ground areas go too dark.

Straight out of LR3 at default settings:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0677-2.jpg

With about 66% shadow recovery, tweaked curves:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0677.jpg

Pushing shadow fill light to 100 made the purple in the branches much more obvious. It also made the foreground too bright IMO.

The purple here might be worsened by the plane of focus being slightly behind the tree.

Crops:

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0677-2A.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120321_85sonnar/20120321_0677A.jpg

In terms of the sharpness of the 100% crops... Considering that it's rangefinder focusing, which isn't as predictable or repeatable over 50mm, I'm happy with the results and I think it's a very good lens wide open. Sharpness would improve with some sharpening, of course.

The question in my mind is how well I could live with this lens for 'regular' shooting, especially in high contrast scenes. It would be fun to compare against the 90 Cron AA, though I don't know anyone locally with one, and the 90AA's rep as being difficult to get in perfect calibration also makes me a bit leery about it. It would seem that for this size and price range, the 75 Lux might be a more fun lens. It has a different character wide open from stopped down a bit, and focuses closer as well...



Mar 22, 2012 at 07:18 PM
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p.2 #3 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


I shouldn't have opened this thread.


Mar 22, 2012 at 08:01 PM
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p.2 #4 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


C'mon Dan, order a lens and help convince Zeiss to reinstate production.


Mar 22, 2012 at 08:03 PM
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p.2 #5 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Thanks for those Ron. Has it's flaws but what a spectacular lens. Love the drawing style.


Mar 22, 2012 at 08:36 PM
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p.2 #6 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Wow, Ron, way to go out out of your way to give us the detailed analysis!


Mar 22, 2012 at 08:39 PM
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p.2 #7 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Thank you very much Ron! You put so much effort and time in this review. Great info.


Mar 22, 2012 at 09:29 PM
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p.2 #8 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


My pleasure guys. Believe me, I was as curious as anyone to see what this lens could do. I don't think I've used it to its full capabilities either. I would like to try some portraits with it at some point... Hopefully the owner will chime in here as well with his thoughts when he has a chance.


Mar 22, 2012 at 09:38 PM
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p.2 #9 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


I am so happy that I have ordered the Sonnar after having inspected Ron's beautiful shots. I can see some issues, most obviously the blue fringing (hopefully a non issue on film) and the nervous bokeh in some shots. But altogether a very nice lens without any doubt, and as Ron mentioned, it is really good to know that focusing is easy. Thanks again Ron, greatly appreciated!


Mar 23, 2012 at 02:04 AM
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p.2 #10 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


SKumar25 wrote:
Thanks for those Ron. Has it's flaws but what a spectacular lens. Love the drawing style.


+1

First I thought it was... ...not very spectacular and shame about the fringing. Nice, to be polite.

After sample #7 and a few of the following ones, I am convinced. It has some real nice qualities to it. A little sad about the fringing but that can be managed.

Very sweet rendering, nice showcase of the lens Ron, both the awesome and the flaws.

EDIT:
look forward to seeing it in the flesh Ed.




Mar 23, 2012 at 02:59 PM
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p.2 #11 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Finally got a chance to use the lens today. Unfortunately my 3 year old son isn't the easiest of targets with an effective 130 odd mm and MF on the NEX 7, so excuse one of the eyes being slightly out of focus. Shot at f2.8.

Haven't PSed out any of his war wounds either.




Mar 24, 2012 at 05:58 AM
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p.2 #12 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


Superb!!!!! Thank you Ben!

Edited on Mar 24, 2012 at 06:57 AM · View previous versions



Mar 24, 2012 at 06:55 AM
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p.2 #13 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


kosmoskatten wrote:
look forward to seeing it in the flesh Ed.



I might even let you hold it

Just kidding! Hope to see you next year Henrik!



Mar 24, 2012 at 06:56 AM
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p.2 #14 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


I'll just echo Ron's comments about the purple fringing.

Interestingly you can actually see it in the EVF on the NEX 7 when you have Settings Effect set on which allows you to try to do something about it before taking the shot.



Mar 24, 2012 at 09:03 AM
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p.2 #15 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


I've been outed! It's a great lens in many respects, though not without flaws.

Didn't I offer it to you that evening for a bit, and you declined? If memory serves me, you were more attuned to 50mm or less.

Jhapeman has one, too. He really likes it as strict portrait lens.

corposant wrote:
Sirimiri has one - it definitely makes a statement on the camera!




Mar 24, 2012 at 09:40 AM
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p.2 #16 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


I have issues with a .7 VF and an 85mm lens...even if I happen to have 85mm framelines (which I do).


Mar 24, 2012 at 12:22 PM
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p.2 #17 · ZM 85/2 Sonnar? Any experience?


sirimiri wrote:
Jhapeman has one, too. He really likes it as strict portrait lens.



This is also how I see it. The Sonnar drawing style seems to be most suited for portraits. For landscapes I have the Tele-Tessar, extremely small and light weight, and very sharp too.



Mar 24, 2012 at 02:03 PM
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