p.5 #1 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
The 5D III focusing screen image magnification is only 0.71x compared to 0.76x in the 1Ds III for example. I don't see manual focusing as being any easier.
p.5 #2 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
Lars Johnsson wrote:
When talking about "which one that is the best when it comes to focusing screens"
I would say the 5D2 wins rather easy. Just the feature it has with different focusing screens, that you very quick and easy can change yourself is such a huge advantage. It's not like one kind of screen is the best for all people, all lenses or all kind of photography.
I'm referring to the installed screen as delivered. Nikon easily wins, quite simply, you don't have to change the screen on a D700/D3 to do MF. Canon does win easily on quantity available because you need them. The S screen is made for a reason. So is the D.
The Nikon D700 has built in gridlines in LV, it doesn't need a grid screen or a matte screen. I'm a Canon user too but you have to give credit where credit is due. The 5DII viewfinder has been a sorepoint with a lot of users.
Mar 03, 2012 at 10:25 PM
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p.5 #3 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
geniousc wrote:
I'm referring to the installed screen as delivered. Nikon easily wins, quite simply, you don't have to change the screen on a D700/D3 to do MF. Canon does win easily on quantity available because you need them. The S screen is made for a reason. So is the D.
The Nikon D700 has built in gridlines in LV, it doesn't need a grid screen or a matte screen. I'm a Canon user too but you have to give credit where credit is due. The 5DII viewfinder has been a sorepoint with a lot of users.
The point is that NO screen will be perfect for everything. And NOT the Nikon either. You can't make a matte screen that is the best screen for f/1,2 lenses. And also being the best for f/5,6 lenses. And you have other kind of screens for the 5D that the D700 can't replace at all.
When making one standard screen for the camera that should cover any kind of shooting and lenses. Then they have make sacrifices........
Niikon has that covered as delivered and is already very similar to the yet to be delivered 5D3 as of 3 years ago. So what are we going to do about the new 5D3 and no screen interchangeability, that's the issue here. The 5D2 is gone. Nothing I hope, because I think it will be good enough as delivered.
Mar 03, 2012 at 11:19 PM
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p.5 #5 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
There are two more. Probably aimed for wedding or portrait shooters (square formats). And 3 more normal screens A, D & S (5 all together)
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p.5 #8 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
I'm abroad travelling so I don't have any links. People call them Ee-black mask and Ee-crop lines. I don't know the letters. You have about the same two for the 1 series if you look at those
p.5 #9 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
digitalbug30d wrote:
really? there are only 3 or 4 people that use MF anyways...
still dont get the obsession over manual focusing....a A/F camera
maybe Canon should produce a M/F only version...why not it would sell to at least 3 or 4 people.lol
Even Canon themself makes 5-6 MF lenses for their cameras
p.5 #10 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
These sound like non Canon items, I don't believe they are sold in the US. The link I sent shows all of the screens for the 5D2. They never did make screens for the 5D2 that coincide with the ones made for the 1 series AFAIK.
Mar 04, 2012 at 12:01 AM
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p.5 #11 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
I belive they are Canon screens, but I have never used them. Canon makes the S screen for all bodies that can change screens. So why can't they make this screen for both the 1 series and 5 series? (it's not the same screen that fit on different cameras) But it's not a big deal if they make 3 or 5 screens for the 5D. They make a few at least And the new 5DIII or the D700 don't do that. IMO that's a disadvantage
p.5 #12 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
I just checked the UK site, same availability as the US. 2 screens and the standard. They can make screens for the 5DII but they don't, never have, only the ones listed on the websites are available. These do not cover all situations. It's not the same as the 1 series because it isn't, it's a lessor camera.
p.5 #13 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
Canon Focusing Screen Ee Black Mask
Mfr. Part: 0056T095 SKU: ICAEEBM
I search it on Google. Canon makes those two focusing screens. Both Adorama, B&H & Amazon sold them before. Today they are either out of stock or not available any longer.
Mar 04, 2012 at 12:30 AM
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p.5 #14 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
Yes it could be like that Lasse and geniousc. Not available anymore.
p.5 #15 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
digitalbug30d wrote:
really? there are only 3 or 4 people that use MF anyways...
still dont get the obsession over manual focusing....a A/F camera
maybe Canon should produce a M/F only version...why not it would sell to at least 3 or 4 people.lol
uh yeah...
The MP-E 65mm (by the way, one of the sharpest lenses Canon has made) is manual focus only, the TS-E 90mm, Canon TS-E 24mm L, Canon TS-E 45mm, and the TS-E 17mm f/4L. I do believe more than 4 people buy these lenses. You should try manual focusing some time.....
Mar 04, 2012 at 12:46 AM
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p.5 #16 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
Dustin Gent wrote:
uh yeah...
The MP-E 65mm (by the way, one of the sharpest lenses Canon has made) is manual focus only, the TS-E 90mm, Canon TS-E 24mm L, Canon TS-E 45mm, and the TS-E 17mm f/4L. I do believe more than 4 people buy these lenses. You should try manual focusing some time.....
p.5 #17 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
FWIW, the MP-E would not benefit from a super-precision matte anyway, despite it being a manual focus lens. At its lowest magnification of 1x and its fastest aperture f/2.8, the effective f-number is already approximately f/5.6. The optical VF is already dark enough when using this lens with the standard screen. Many users of this lens rely on Live View.
The TS-E lenses are also best used with Live View, since that's the best way to see the effect of the actual movements. With their relatively slow apertures (f/2.8 to f/4, depending on model), they really don't need a super-precision matte. In applications where DOF is shallow and critical focus is necessary, usually a tripod is used.
In my view, the super-precision screen really is all about the ultra-fast primes--anything faster than f/2, regardless of whether they are AF or MF lenses, Canon or third-party. It's these lenses that benefit most, not the TS-E or MP-E designs.
p.5 #18 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
wickerprints wrote:
FWIW, the MP-E would not benefit from a super-precision matte anyway, despite it being a manual focus lens. At its lowest magnification of 1x and its fastest aperture f/2.8, the effective f-number is already approximately f/5.6. The optical VF is already dark enough when using this lens with the standard screen. Many users of this lens rely on Live View.
The TS-E lenses are also best used with Live View, since that's the best way to see the effect of the actual movements. With their relatively slow apertures (f/2.8 to f/4, depending on model), they really don't need a super-precision matte. In applications where DOF is shallow and critical focus is necessary, usually a tripod is used.
In my view, the super-precision screen really is all about the ultra-fast primes--anything faster than f/2, regardless of whether they are AF or MF lenses, Canon or third-party. It's these lenses that benefit most, not the TS-E or MP-E designs....Show more →
You are of course right if you talk about screens like the S screen. But the other lenses could benefit from another kind of focusing screen if it where possible to change the screen on the 5DIII
p.5 #20 · No interchangeable focusing screens for 5D3
fracas wrote:
Considering that Canon has given up the S-screen, it becomes important for me to evaluate the Nikon D800 opportunity... so I repeat my previous question: why do Nikon users seem not to feel the need of a better a "S-like" focusing screen? Is there something in their cameras that helps focusing a manual lens (Nikon tilt&shift lenses or Zeiss ZF lenses)?
I use lots of tilt with my TSE lenses And Zeiss ZE and am continually grateful for Live View 5-10X. I have an Eg-S, but hardly use AF anymore, except for events. When you want accurate AF, magnified Live View is the best.
And the new 5DIII or the D700 don't do that. IMO that's a disadvantage