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p.3 #1 · Pixel question


Being a bear of little brain, it strikes me that there are two issues here that need clarification for real life shooters....

1. Jaggies. AA filters help here but it seems to me that the lower the resolution of the sensor the higher the benefit. The higher the resolution the lower the benefit. The reason to the simple minded is simply that the higher res image will have more "steps" and the more steps the smoother the image. The smoother the image the less need there is for an AA filter. If this is right, where is the break point where an AA filter does not produce a visible benefit? (I don't give a rat's ass about theoretical benefits, if I can't see it it doesn't exist. Simplifies life.)

2. Moire. Common mysticism has these devilish patterns appearing most frequently on fabric. Why then do so many fashion photographers use MF cameras without AA filters?



Feb 12, 2012 at 08:15 AM
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p.3 #2 · Pixel question


My 2 cents Henry:

a) Jaggies is not a problem related to lack of AA filter. Correctly reconstructed and sharp images will still have jaggies.

This is the real problem with lack of AA filter, a Christmas tree of false colors as shown in the golden band here:

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/img/features01/img_44.jpg

b) Fashion shooters use MF digital backs because they are the only ones available with that high resultion and base ISO image quality. MF digital backs lack an AA filter becuase they are incredibly expensive to manufature in that size (I have heard). The D800 will be a godsend to them.

Personally, I would only choose a camera without AA filter for use when I can stop down just until I have enough diffraction to give sufficient blur. That will be around F/11 on the D800E. The benefit is that I can stop down further, gaining more DoF, than with a camera with AA filter. Good for landscape and macro.



Feb 12, 2012 at 08:27 AM
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p.3 #3 · Pixel question


Thanks for posting the example. It is also worth noting that there is more noise in the red cloth also.

alundeb wrote:
a) Jaggies is not a problem related to lack of AA filter. Correctly reconstructed and sharp images will still have jaggies.


Well, in the example you post, it is clear that jaggies are more prominent in the unfiltered image.

The reason that jaggies are seen in modern DSLR images from cameras that have AA filters is that the AA filters tend to be weak.



Feb 12, 2012 at 08:56 AM
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p.3 #4 · Pixel question


Thanks for the post. Best real life example I have seen and it clearly shows that both the jaggies and moire are still issues in even the latest cameras.


Feb 12, 2012 at 09:07 AM
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p.3 #5 · Pixel question


Monito wrote:
Well, in the example you post, it is clear that jaggies are more prominent in the unfiltered image.



Yes, that is clear. I was just trying to say that in a correctly reproduced image, when it is appropriately sharpened and maybe also downsized, there will be jaggies. Those jaggies will not be caused by aliasing.



Feb 12, 2012 at 10:46 AM
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p.3 #6 · Pixel question


Those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it :-)

Go forth and read: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/936822/7




Feb 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM
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p.3 #7 · Pixel question


Considering just the pixel level image quality, I can't see much if any difference between the 5Dc and the 5D2 so that decrease in pixel size was technology advance.

The specific technology advance was that Canon shrank the transister "donut" that surrounds each sensel. The actual light-sensitive area remained the same size between the 5D and the 5D2, but with smaller "dead zones" around each sensel, Canon could cram more into the format.

Notice that Canon does not speak of "pixel size," Canon speaks of "pixel pitch," which is the distance between pixel centers. They decreased the "pixel pitch," but the diameter of the actual light-sensitive portion of the sensel remaind the same.



Feb 13, 2012 at 06:11 PM
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