I do not disagree that we cannot make cheap stuff, but make no mistake...china didn't decide to fill any role.
Poor working relations, no real labor and industry oversight, corruption and lack of regard for EPA regulations have given businesses incentive to go overseas and have them replace the American job force.
It wasnt a changing world, it wasn't an economically diverse climate, it was sending labor to a country that doesn't value human life, let alone workers rights, to save a few bucks. That's why china picked up.
Add in corporate corruption and corruption from the labor unions and well...you have a system set up for failure.Jeff wrote:
That's an off-topic comment of tremendous proportion, and not sure what place it has in this thread. Globalization is an incredibly complex issue in which both economic and sociological impacts cannot be casually ignored; viewing social issues primarily through a Western lens will lead to distortion of realities, to be sure. However 'bad' you consider working or living conditions to be at Foxconn, it would be my 'guess' that every worker is there of their own free will, and does not want to lose their job for any reason. Singling out Apple (or even the tech industry) as some sort of demon is misguided, at best; the U.S.--and the world, for that matter--wants cheap stuff, and is becoming (necessarily?) incapable of producing cheap 'stuff'. China long ago chose to fill a void that we, ourselves created, out of our own economic success.
We can roll with it or let it roll on by, but either way, much of the world is changing. Fast....Show more →
Jeff wrote:
That's an off-topic comment of tremendous proportion, and not sure what place it has in this thread. Globalization is an incredibly complex issue in which both economic and sociological impacts cannot be casually ignored; viewing social issues primarily through a Western lens will lead to distortion of realities, to be sure. However 'bad' you consider working or living conditions to be at Foxconn, it would be my 'guess' that every worker is there of their own free will, and does not want to lose their job for any reason. Singling out Apple (or even the tech industry) as some sort of demon is misguided, at best; the U.S.--and the world, for that matter--wants cheap stuff, and is becoming (necessarily?) incapable of producing cheap 'stuff'. China long ago chose to fill a void that we, ourselves created, out of our own economic success.
We can roll with it or let it roll on by, but either way, much of the world is changing. Fast....Show more →
Wow, someone sounds like they work for Apple (and using " ' ' " around "bad" is simply being disingenuous).
not off-topic in that I was just pointing out that when some of us were saying Apple was doing super well, that it actually wasn't 100% simply due to different basic management philosophy, although that's probably the larger chunk, just trying to add in a touch of fairness back toward Canon and Nikon.
But, yes, plenty of other companies don't have a great record over there either, to one extent or another, although not so much the Japanese camera makers since I don't believe they do too much over there.
You sure seem to white-wash the horror stories at those plants away most conveniently.
I suggest everyone go out do research and read up as much as they can on the topic from a wide variety of sources rather than listen to someone's PR spiel here (or myself, for that matter, I won't say more, and yes it is complex, but).
I'm sorry to report I can't get some kind of confirmation or a correction on what part of the specs that I received could be wrong, as eosfun reported. Since this thread tends to go a little off topic I'd like to ask to give comment on the spotted camera in Kenya or add new information to the thread. Thanks all!
Peter de Weerdt wrote:
I'm sorry to report I can't get some kind of confirmation or a correction on what part of the specs that I received could be wrong, as eosfun reported. Since this thread tends to go a little off topic I'd like to ask to give comment on the spotted camera in Kenya or add new information to the thread. Thanks all!
Peter
If the three main specs you list are 18MP, 6fps, 19pt AF and EOSfun is correct that two are right and one is wrong then Aquatech has to be wrong with their 7.5fps and 22MP, or vice-versa (and of course they can all be wrong or maybe esofun picked out different main specs from your list). Not sure there is much more to say on it for now.
Maybe it is 32MP, 6fps, 19pt AF hah.
Peter de Weerdt wrote:
I'm sorry to report I can't get some kind of confirmation or a correction on what part of the specs that I received could be wrong, as eosfun reported. Since this thread tends to go a little off topic I'd like to ask to give comment on the spotted camera in Kenya or add new information to the thread. Thanks all!
Peter
He said one thing was wrong. He mentioned that he would prefer the AF of the 1 series; but didn't include a reference to the 7d being better. He went on to describe AT LENGTH how the canon rep stated that the high resolution crowd would be happy. Do you really need to push the guy for a direct answer?
Aquatech's specs are bogus IMHO. They would have been given a shell from which to make their forms, with an explanation of what buttons do what. They would not have needed the details on what was inside the body.
skibum5 wrote:
If the three main specs you list are 18MP, 6fps, 19pt AF and EOSfun is correct that two are right and one is wrong then Aquatech has to be wrong with their 7.5fps and 22MP, or vice-versa (and of course they can all be wrong or maybe esofun picked out different main specs from your list). Not sure there is much more to say on it for now.
Maybe it is 32MP, 6fps, 19pt AF hah.
I take it that it will have 4,5 FPS. And I would still be very happy, my Mac will love the 18 MP for some good 4 or 5 years.
This is the first time I will buy a just released camera. Just decided.
timbop wrote:
He said one thing was wrong. He mentioned that he would prefer the AF of the 1 series; but didn't include a reference to the 7d being better. He went on to describe AT LENGTH how the canon rep stated that the high resolution crowd would be happy. Do you really need to push the guy for a direct answer?
Aquatech's specs are bogus IMHO. They would have been given a shell from which to make their forms, with an explanation of what buttons do what. They would not have needed the details on what was inside the body.
So maybe 32MPish (nice), 6.3fps (not bad at all and if they went 7.5-8fps that is something that might actually hurt 1DX so really about as high as one could expect, nice), 19pt 7D AF or something along those lines hard to say his list did include mention of extra digic 4 to help which sounds more like 1DX AF than 7D but then again his spec also listed two contradictory systems for af/rgb/meter too (hard to say, if it is pure 7D AF that is semi-disappointing since I think the 7D center point is actually worse than 5D2 for many things, if it is 1DX but with pts reduced from 50 or whatever to 19 and maybe a couple very minor options removed then that is pretty nice indeed).
So maybe 32MPish,6.3fps, with some sort of AF ? So long as some sort of AF is at least somewhat better than 7D AF then thought would be some pretty awesome specs (if the video also manages to avoid line-skipping). In fact, these would be literally THE exact same specs (pending how the AF turns out) I was beginning for for it for the last couple of years, so suddenly that makes me think no way .
And when he said some 1D2n people might not even prefer the new camera maybe he was just referring to not hitting the full on pro 8fps and the lack of weather-sealing? Two things I could certainly live without for the 5D3.
Anyway 32MP, 6.3fps and AF half way between 7D and 1DX and non-line skipped video would be pretty awesome I'd think. Sounds better than D800 rumors actually and would offer a lot of reasons to upgrade from 5D2 to say the least.
timbop wrote:
He said one thing was wrong. He mentioned that he would prefer the AF of the 1 series; but didn't include a reference to the 7d being better. He went on to describe AT LENGTH how the canon rep stated that the high resolution crowd would be happy. Do you really need to push the guy for a direct answer?
Eosfun also said that the he will not be replacing his 1DsIII *and* 1DsII.
That's the biggest giveaway, IMO.
If the 5DIII is not a must-have upgrade for an aging (but still very capable) 16mp camera, I'd take this as a sign that the 5DIII megapixels count won't be (too) much higher than 16mp.
The 22mp/7.5fps rumor makes sense because 22mp gives Canon an excuse to not make the frame rate 8fps (or higher), which seems to be the psychological barrier for sports and action.
jorkata wrote:
Eosfun also said that the he will not be replacing his 1DsIII *and* 1DsII.
That's the biggest giveaway, IMO.
If the 5DIII is not a must-have upgrade for an aging (but still very capable) 16mp camera, I'd take this as a sign that the 5DIII megapixels count won't be (too) much higher than 16mp.
I very much doubt he is referring to resolution considering he stated that the high resolution crowd would be pleased. IMO this sounds more like he's hinting at AF and or FPS more than anything.
M Vers wrote:
I very much doubt he is referring to resolution considering he stated that the high resolution crowd would be pleased. IMO this sounds more like he's hinting at AF and or FPS more than anything.
The 1DsII is 4fps and the 1DsIII is 5fps, so I'm pretty sure FPS was not his concern.
Eosfun also said than for 1DII owners the IQ/performance ratio would be a consideration.
I don't see how a slow, high-megapixel camera could be considered a 1DII alternative/replacement.
OTOH, with similar speed, better IQ - but less-capable AF - the 5DIII could very well make someone consider it as a replacement for his/her 1DII.
Again, reading the tea leafs, we arrive at 18-22mp and 7-8fps specs for the 5DIII.
jorkata wrote:
Eosfun also said that the he will not be replacing his 1DsIII *and* 1DsII.
That's the biggest giveaway, IMO.
If the 5DIII is not a must-have upgrade for an aging (but still very capable) 16mp camera, I'd take this as a sign that the 5DIII megapixels count won't be (too) much higher than 16mp.
The 22mp/7.5fps rumor makes sense because 22mp gives Canon an excuse to not make the frame rate 8fps (or higher), which seems to be the psychological barrier for sports and action.
Ah yeah I forgot the and 1Ds3 part. The thing that makes his comment hard to decipher is that he said 1D2n or 1D3 or 1D4 OR 1Ds3. The 1Ds3 is what makes it tricky.
Why would you not give up a 1Ds3 for a 30MP, 6fps, better than 7D AF camera??
So then if we are back to the 22MP and 7.5fps, well actually then again why would you not give up a 1Ds3 for that either though?? Unless the AF was true rubbish, but they can't make it total junker AF.
So that leaves maybe:
18MP and 6fps and 7D or worse AF or 18MP and 3.9fps and 7D or barely better than 7D AF?
That would seem to make the D800 have an awfully good chance of looking better than this one though.
Good point, kewlcanon. I was under the impression that some Canon folks over there in the Netherlands told him a few things. But at the same time, I understood that the non-disclosure agreement is still in effect until the D-Day, which is assumed to be on Feb. 7. It sounds like people here assume that eosfun knows exactly what to be expected.
Well those Canon reps would tell anything even they don't know .
AGeoJO wrote:
Good point, kewlcanon. I was under the impression that some Canon folks over there in the Netherlands told him a few things. But at the same time, I understood that the non-disclosure agreement is still in effect until the D-Day, which is assumed to be on Feb. 7. It sounds like people here assume that eosfun knows exactly what to be expected.
AGeoJO wrote:
Good point, kewlcanon. I was under the impression that some Canon folks over there in the Netherlands told him a few things. But at the same time, I understood that the non-disclosure agreement is still in effect until the D-Day, which is assumed to be on Feb. 7. It sounds like people here assume that eosfun knows exactly what to be expected.
- he, eosfun, flew from netherlands to Vegas for business. I guess, when anybody here in europe except some Canon folks and the biggest dealers) knows, what is comming (and when) it is him. But why should he break a NDA so that you and we get informed. It will be published anyway within a few weeks or months.
? So long as some sort of AF is at least somewhat better than 7D AF then thought would be some pretty awesome specs (if the video also manages to avoid line-skipping). In fact, these would be literally THE exact same specs (pending how the AF turns out) I was beginning for for it for the last couple of years, so suddenly that makes me think no way 
Yup! About the same as most of the rest of us - It's not official, it hasn't been announced and you can't walk in to B&H and walk out with a 5D3