coranda wrote:
I'm not saying pros don't use the 5D or lesser cameras. I'm just saying that Canon's marketing does not define the 5D as a pro camera so they are unlikely to give it what they consider to be pro features.
The funny thing is, Canon's marketing does indeed know, acknowledge, and encourage that professionals use the 5D series cameras. Check out the original press release for the 5dII:
For those too lazy I will quote from the release: "Professional photojournalists and wedding photographers already choose the EOS 5D for its discrete size and outstanding image quality,” said Mogens Jensen, head of Canon Consumer Imaging. “The addition of HD movie recording opens a new chapter for EOS. It creates new possibilities for EOS photographers to capture and share their stories and to stay relevant in a rapidly changing digital landscape."
But Canon still seems to differentiate between cameras that pros can/do use and their "pro line" of cameras. Of course, all I'm really doing is explaining why I don't think they will put a pro-AF on the next 5D. Personally, I hope I'm wrong.
artd wrote:
The funny thing is, Canon's marketing does indeed know, acknowledge, and encourage that professionals use the 5D series cameras. Check out the original press release for the 5dII:
For those too lazy I will quote from the release: "Professional photojournalists and wedding photographers already choose the EOS 5D for its discrete size and outstanding image quality,” said Mogens Jensen, head of Canon Consumer Imaging. “The addition of HD movie recording opens a new chapter for EOS. It creates new possibilities for EOS photographers to capture and share their stories and to stay relevant in a rapidly changing digital landscape."
"...rapidly changing digital landscape."? From the rate at which they upgrade their products I wonder if Canon really believes this themselves?
coranda wrote:
Perhaps Canon see the 5D/7D combination as the amateur (I prefer the term enthusiast) version of the 1Ds/1D, i.e. FF v. action. If that's the case, maybe we will see the 5D and 7D merged - but that's extremely wild and unjustified speculation on my part.
That's interesting and compelling, wish there was substance to back it up.
(and I too am no Apple fan, but at least they are not afraid to put out there what they can and look, no publicly held company other than Exxon, I believe, is worth more. Canon had so much more advanced tech than Nikon they could've put a beast 5D2 even earlier than than the 5D and made Nikon look silly, Nikon was in a still dangerous, vulnerable position, granted even more sales are at the lower end, but had they gotten 7D out sooner, rather than reacted and feared internal market damage, popped MFA into 40D, video into 50D, etc. I bet Nikon has a rather small share now, although the 1D3 AF mess may have let them still increase a bit) ...Show more →
Then again, the more you read, the more Apple also seems to do well because the brutalizing conditions in the Chinese factories that build much of their product. Not that they are the only ones, but....
coranda wrote:
Canon make it pretty clear that only their 1-series bodies are pro cameras - the 5D is not a pro camera. In this part of the world owning at least one 1-series body is a requirment for Gold CPS membership. I know that's not the case in the US but I also notice a lot of people complaining that the US CPS programme is, in practice, no longer limited to pros.
In this part of the world you need for CPS membership:
2 bodies for silver
2 for gold
3 for platinum
Gold is indicated by 5D, 5D II, all 1Ds
Platinum by 5D II, 1D III, 1Ds III, 1D IV
Pro bodies are not longer limited to 1Ds by Canon. They accepted that 5D IIs (5Ds) are already used by any kind of professional photographers. For them 1D, 1Ds, 1D II, 1Ds II are not longer "platinum, while 5D II is.
All true Ralph, but as was pointed out above, Canon still don't list the 5D under the Pro category on their web site. It's listed under "Enthusiast" here - and apparently under "Amateur" on the Japanese site.
okafoja wrote:
I hope Canon will not put 7D Auto Focus on 5DIII. It will be a terrible mistake. Instead of 7D auto focus please Canon leave it as it is.
Leave it as it is? Couldn't disagree with you more! Canon needs a full frame camera with more than one reliable AF point, that doesn't cost $7000.
Jim Levitt wrote:
Leave it as it is? Couldn't disagree with you more! Canon needs a full frame camera with more than one reliable AF point, that doesn't cost $7000.
Mr okafoja is only expressing his extreme dissatisfaction with the 7D AF this way. Of course he also wants better AF in the "5DIII", but he would consider the 7D AF as a downgrade, and would accept anything only to avoid that.
coranda wrote:
All true Ralph, but as was pointed out above, Canon still don't list the 5D under the Pro category on their web site. It's listed under "Enthusiast" here - and apparently under "Amateur" on the Japanese site.
I can't remember in which country it was, but I recall that in at least one of canon webpages the original 5D was listed as a pro camera.
Whatever that means.
alundeb wrote:
Mr okafoja is only expressing his extreme dissatisfaction with the 7D AF this way. Of course he also wants better AF in the "5DIII", but he would consider the 7D AF as a downgrade, and would accept anything only to avoid that.
Actually, my personal experience with the 7D AF mirrors that of Mr Okafoja.
Anyway, once the FF A99 gets released (lighter and cheaper than both 5D3 and D800), I'm jumping on to Sony's bandwagon. Both 5D3 and D800 specs bore me. Where's the price and weight reduction?
fraga wrote:
I can't remember in which country it was, but I recall that in at least one of canon webpages the original 5D was listed as a pro camera.
Whatever that means.
Canon USA for awhile, 5D was considered one of the "CPS requirement pro bodies".
thw2 wrote:
Actually, my personal experience with the 7D AF mirrors that of Mr Okafoja.
Anyway, once the FF A99 gets released (lighter and cheaper than both 5D3 and D800), I'm jumping on to Sony's bandwagon. Both 5D3 and D800 specs bore me. Where's the price and weight reduction?
Off you go then. But as you've stated elsewhere: good luck with the lens options.
It's surprising how bored and unappreciative some folks can be when it comes to the advances made in digital cameras. Pretty sure I read that somewhere.... Oh yeah, you said that.
If the 5D3 and D800 specs bore you, then don't buy them. Look into the 1D and D4 bodies. the 5D/D800 lines don't represent Canon/Nikon's top offerings. I personally find it hard to be bored with something that doesn't yet exist.
thw2 wrote:
Anyway, once the FF A99 gets released (lighter and cheaper than both 5D3 and D800), I'm jumping on to Sony's bandwagon. Both 5D3 and D800 specs bore me. Where's the price and weight reduction?
Firstly, you would probably want that high res FF-sensor in a NEX, not a SLT-A, to get the best image quality out if it. Secondly, I don't think most of us was anticipating neither a price nor a weight reduction in 5D Mark III or D800?
lsuber wrote:
Off you go then. But as you've stated elsewhere: good luck with the lens options.
It's surprising how bored and unappreciative some folks can be when it comes to the advances made in digital cameras. Pretty sure I read that somewhere.... Oh yeah, you said that.
If the 5D3 and D800 specs bore you, then don't buy them. Look into the 1D and D4 bodies. the 5D/D800 lines don't represent Canon/Nikon's top offerings. I personally find it hard to be bored with something that doesn't yet exist.
There doesn't exist any 5D3 and D800 specs So how can you tell him don't buy them then
skibum5 wrote:
Then again, the more you read, the more Apple also seems to do well because the brutalizing conditions in the Chinese factories that build much of their product. Not that they are the only ones, but....
That's an off-topic comment of tremendous proportion, and not sure what place it has in this thread. Globalization is an incredibly complex issue in which both economic and sociological impacts cannot be casually ignored; viewing social issues primarily through a Western lens will lead to distortion of realities, to be sure. However 'bad' you consider working or living conditions to be at Foxconn, it would be my 'guess' that every worker is there of their own free will, and does not want to lose their job for any reason. Singling out Apple (or even the tech industry) as some sort of demon is misguided, at best; the U.S.--and the world, for that matter--wants cheap stuff, and is becoming (necessarily?) incapable of producing cheap 'stuff'. China long ago chose to fill a void that we, ourselves created, out of our own economic success.
We can roll with it or let it roll on by, but either way, much of the world is changing. Fast.
Jeff Nolten wrote:
Upgrading the AF is not the same as simply putting 7D AF in it. I find the 5D center point better than any single 7D point. My preference is that they would put a few more points of that quality in and concentrate on accuracy. 1D focus points (at least some of them) have twice the light sensitivity of non-1D points. If the center and 4 outer points of the current 5D had the sensitivity and accuracy to reliably handle the fast L primes, a lot of the criticism would be silenced. If the sensitivity is increased, adding spot focusing would require no additional sensor area and little additional electronics. I'd also like to see the center horizontal three have the invisible AI assist areas so one could lead action a bit off center. ...Show more →
I agree. In fact I hope the 5D upgrade is the 18MP with 7D AF version that most on here are asking for so that I won't be tempted to further deplete my bank account.
