coranda wrote:
@Chad S
I'm not saying pros don't use the 5D or lesser cameras. I'm just saying that Canon's marketing does not define the 5D as a pro camera so they are unlikely to give it what they consider to be pro features.
@RobertLynn
In Australia CPS conditions are as follows:
"To qualify for a CPS Gold Membership you need to have purchased a minimum of a Canon 1D series and 5D series body, three L-series lens, and be a full-time, professional photographer. You will need to show proof-of-purchase and equipment must have been purchased from a Canon Professional Dealer in Australia."
"To qualify for a CPS Silver Membership you need to have purchased a minimum of two Canon 5D series bodies, two L-series lenses and be a full-time, professional photographer. You will need to show proof-of-purchase, and equipment must have been purchased from a Canon Professional Dealer in Australia."
So the view of Canon Australia (admittedly a very small part of Canon's market) is that you can't even be a pro without at least two 5Ds.
coranda wrote:
@Chad S
I'm not saying pros don't use the 5D or lesser cameras. I'm just saying that Canon's marketing does not define the 5D as a pro camera so they are unlikely to give it what they consider to be pro features.
@RobertLynn
In Australia CPS conditions are as follows:
"To qualify for a CPS Gold Membership you need to have purchased a minimum of a Canon 1D series and 5D series body, three L-series lens, and be a full-time, professional photographer. You will need to show proof-of-purchase and equipment must have been purchased from a Canon Professional Dealer in Australia."
"To qualify for a CPS Silver Membership you need to have purchased a minimum of two Canon 5D series bodies, two L-series lenses and be a full-time, professional photographer. You will need to show proof-of-purchase, and equipment must have been purchased from a Canon Professional Dealer in Australia."
So the view of Canon Australia (admittedly a very small part of Canon's market) is that you can't even be a pro without at least two 5Ds.
Wow, so different than in Canada where we have either Gold or Platinum. Gold only requires 2 bodies of 40D or higher (so 40D, 50D, 60D, 7D, 5D etc) and 2 L lenses. Platinum does need 2 bodies of 5D or better and 3 L lenses and you also have to prove that you make money from photography (ie you are really a "professional").
Gold is basically just a money grab for Canon on all the serious amateurs but can be worth it if you like sending stuff in for calibrations or like to rent gear.
arbitrage wrote:
Wow, so different than in Canada where we have either Gold or Platinum. Gold only requires 2 bodies of 40D or higher (so 40D, 50D, 60D, 7D, 5D etc) and 2 L lenses. Platinum does need 2 bodies of 5D or better and 3 L lenses and you also have to prove that you make money from photography (ie you are really a "professional").
Gold is basically just a money grab for Canon on all the serious amateurs but can be worth it if you like sending stuff in for calibrations or like to rent gear.
So there is no clear definition of what a "pro" camera is?
stanj wrote:
That's what they said about video, too.
I don't care about video either lol.
However! I'm not discrediting that other folks would like it. I know that gps is really liked by some and same with the video. The wifi, even though I don't care about it is probably the most appealing to me.
Chad S wrote:
So having two 5D's qualifies you as a "pro". That kinda makes it a pro camera, no?
They don't mention the 7D or 40D....
I think you proved my point.
I'm just trying to interpret Canon's thinking on this issue. I'm not trying to defend it but just seeking to understand it. The reason I don't think they consider the 5D as a pro camera is not just that you can't get above Silver CPS without a 1-series body but also from the way they are listed on the Canon (Australia) web site. Have a look here,
you will see that they divide their cameras up into 3 categories:
Pro: 1DX, 1D mark IV
Enthusiast: 5D Mark II, 7D, 60D
Entry Level: 600D, 550D, 1100D
If that really is Canon's thinking then it seems unlikely they would give the 5D what are still considered pro features.
Of course, the fact that Canon Australia uses these categories doesn't necessarily mean that head office thinks this way, nor is there anything to stop them from elevating the next 5D to their pro line. All I'm saying is that, on the balance of evidence, I think it's unlikely we'll see a new 5D with anything close to 1-series AF.
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arbitrage wrote:
Wow, so different than in Canada where we have either Gold or Platinum. Gold only requires 2 bodies of 40D or higher (so 40D, 50D, 60D, 7D, 5D etc) and 2 L lenses. Platinum does need 2 bodies of 5D or better and 3 L lenses and you also have to prove that you make money from photography (ie you are really a "professional").
Making money from photography is not enough for CPS here, you have to be full-time. The terms and conditions require that you make the "majority of you income" from photography - although I'm not sure that they necessarily enforce that.
arbitrage wrote:
I guess in Australia 1D is pro but in Canada 5D is pro. But don't try to be a pro with just a 7D, Canon will slap you back to the amateur ranks.
So when the new 5D comes out with 45 AF-points they will probably disable 40 of them for the Australian market.
Well, they can classify it however they want but Nikon had no problem putting a top-tier AF system in a compact FF body at a reasonable price years ago. If Canon doesn't want to do that it's OK with me...Nikon will just start getting my money from here on.
chrisdee wrote: Canon Japan's classification, for those who read Japanese (run it through a translator otherwise):
Professional: 1D series
Amateur: 5D series, 7D, xxD series
Beginner: Rebel series
There you go, there's no better authority on the subject than the parent company, is there?
I can't read Japanese but I'll take your word for it. It sounds like the Australian site is just reproducing the line it's getting from the mother ship.
Perhaps Canon see the 5D/7D combination as the amateur (I prefer the term enthusiast) version of the 1Ds/1D, i.e. FF v. action. If that's the case, maybe we will see the 5D and 7D merged - but that's extremely wild and unjustified speculation on my part.
I know about 60 professional photographers. One of them has a 1D, and another has the Nikon equivalent. The rest are using "amateur" cameras.
Not a scientific sample I know, but the idea that pros tend to use 1D bodies is bizzarre. The D700, 5D and 7D lines are extremely important to many pros globally. In terms of numbers much more important than anything that will ever happen in the 1D world.
David Baldwin wrote:
I know about 60 professional photographers. One of them has a 1D, and another has the Nikon equivalent. The rest are using "amateur" cameras.
Not a scientific sample I know, but the idea that pros tend to use 1D bodies is bizzarre. The D700, 5D and 7D lines are extremely important to many pros around the world. In terms of numbers much more important than anything that will ever happen in the 1D world.
I suspect this is all true but my original point was that so long as Canon don't consider the 5D as part of their pro line than they are unlikely to put a pro AF system on it. Whether or no that is good business is an entirely different question.
Fair enough Coranda. Speaking personally I am basically happy with my own 5D2/7D combo, if Canon want any money from me in the next 3 or 4 years or so they will need to tempt me with both higher res and better AF, or my money will stay in my bank account.
skibum5 wrote:
Yup and flip the sensor upside down so everything you shoot down there will look normal and right side up to all us Northern Hemispherians .
