skibum5 wrote:
hmm so plain old 7D AF, 18MP, 6fps, no articulating screen
Frame rate might very well be 8fps and AF might be an improved/tweaked version of the 7D AF.
Other than that, though, it seems like that that would be it.
You guys are really not very good at subtlety, are you? Pay attention to the most important tidbits, and you'll be able to have a good idea. More importantly, be realistic in your expectations. It will be an INCREMENTAL improvement on the 5d2, intended to correct the MAJOR gripes about the 5d2 (i.e. AF) AND serve to fill the holes elsewhere in the lineup - remember canon is all about market segmentation. So what's the target for this body? I would guess it will be targeted at the high MP crowd, wedding, landscape, and studio shooters. It will be good enough for lots of 7d owners to want to upgrade, but won't hurt the 1dx. IQ will be the emphasis, with the little niceties of the 7d.
My guess: a 24-28MP FF sensor in a 7d package
If you expect anything more, then you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
jorkata wrote:
Frame rate might very well be 8fps and AF might be an improved/tweaked version of the 7D AF.
Other than that, though, it seems like that that would be it.
Are people really expecting better than 7D AF in the next 5D? I would think that if it even gets the 7D's AF then that is doing fairly good considering where it's coming from.
arbitrage wrote:
Are people really expecting better than 7D AF in the next 5D? I would think that if it even gets the 7D's AF then that is doing fairly good considering where it's coming from.
Do they really want a D800 with Nikon's best AF and 36MP and 6fps (with grip in DX mode) to go up against a barely improved 5D2?
The last time the D700 lagged by a huge amount in MP and had no video, this time the competitor will have video and appears as if it may have as many or more, maybe even vastly more, MP so it won't easy like it was last time.
Well, ever since the 7D was announced, many people have been asking for a FF version of the 7D.
By the look of things, Canon will be giving us just that.
I keep wondering about the number of megapixels, though.
If Canon decides to reuse the 18mp 1DX sensor, how many fps will they allow on the 5DIII?
The 7D can already do 8fps with 18mp, so why should the 5DIII be less capable?
As for the D800: 36mp might seem spectacular on paper but it's not all that useful in practice, IMO.
So, an 18mp/8fps 5DIII may turn out to be much more sought after than a 36mp/4fps D800.
jorkata wrote:
Well, ever since the 7D was announced, many people have been asking for a FF version of the 7D.
By the look of things, Canon will be giving us just that.
I keep wondering about the number of megapixels, though.
If Canon decides to reuse the 18mp 1DX sensor, how many fps will they allow on the 5DIII?
The 7D can already do 8fps with 18mp, so why should the 5DIII be less capable?
As for the D800: 36mp might seem spectacular on paper but it's not all that useful in practice, IMO.
So, an 18mp/8fps 5DIII may turn out to be much more sought after than a 36mp/4fps D800. ...Show more →
It won't be the same exact sensor. The 5d3's will be larger mp, with the same advancements as the 1dx's sensor.
jorkata wrote:
Well, ever since the 7D was announced, many people have been asking for a FF version of the 7D.
By the look of things, Canon will be giving us just that.
I keep wondering about the number of megapixels, though.
If Canon decides to reuse the 18mp 1DX sensor, how many fps will they allow on the 5DIII?
The 7D can already do 8fps with 18mp, so why should the 5DIII be less capable?
As for the D800: 36mp might seem spectacular on paper but it's not all that useful in practice, IMO.
So, an 18mp/8fps 5DIII may turn out to be much more sought after than a 36mp/4fps D800. ...Show more →
Why do you say 36mp is not useful in practice? I'd much rather have a 5d3 with a higher pixel count than a higher fps count. If you need a fast camera, there is both a 7d and 1dx available...why do we need another?
skibum5 wrote:
Do they really want a D800 with Nikon's best AF and 36MP and 6fps (with grip in DX mode) to go up against a barely improved 5D2?
The last time the D700 lagged by a huge amount in MP and had no video, this time the competitor will have video and appears as if it may have as many or more, maybe even vastly more, MP so it won't easy like it was last time.
We don't know what the 5DII's replacement will be for sure. They could even continue selling the 5DII along with the new camera. On the other hand, if the latest speculation is correct for Canon and Nikon, the new D800 will appeal to the higher resolution crowd. Perhaps Canon didn't see this coming...There are a lot of photographers who enjoy shooting 35mm but want more resolution at the expense of lower fps and high iso.
Apparently Nikon is not buying the "let's combine cameras" idea and it could pay off.
Why do you say 36mp is not useful in practice? I'd much rather have a 5d3 with a higher pixel count than a higher fps count. If you need a fast camera, there is both a 7d and 1dx available...why do we need another?
Different needs for every photog. I am a portrait shooter, primarily seniors and children. I have no need for 36mp...heck I have no need for 26 mp...or high iso for that matter. Just give me full frame with better AF and I am set!
eosfun wrote:
@artsupreme: 1DII or this camera is a hard choice. I have to admit I have not been able to shoot with it, just touch it and shoot with no card. I have always found the 1DmkII a bit too soft for my taste, even though the 8mp for many applications wasn't a problem. The AA filter was just a bit too strong for me, so I am quite sure the image quality versus speed being close would make me choose the new compact DSLR. But still, I already said it, I'll stay in the 1D league and keep my 1Ds'es (mkII and III) for a while. I am not even tempted to the 1DX so far. Is that enough of EOSfun and a hint that I can share within the NDA? ...Show more →
I was referring to the AF only, not IQ (I'm expecting IQ to be amazing). I'm hoping it will have 1DII level AF and fps or better....but if I'm reading you properly it sounds like it ain't going to happen.
The problem for Canon is that the 5DII is already a great camera as far as resolution goes. They probably realized it's a good compromise between number of pixels and pixel size.
Even at 18-21MP, it's imperative to use proper technique in order to actually take advantage of all these pixels. The smaller the aperture, the more diffraction is recorded. Once diffraction starts to be fully recorded, all the resolution in the world won't help us produce sharp images.
For example, if shooting landscape with the excellent 24mm TSE II on a 5DII @f/16 to get depth of field, one would not be taking advantage of the resolution of the camera.
Considering we have a good tripod/MLU/cable release; optimum resolution and depth of field could be obtained by using the "Scheimpflug principle" to tweak the plane of focus to run along the ground combined with f/5.6 - f/8 apertures. At f/11 and beyond, diffraction starts to diminish the advantage of high resolution cameras.
This will be even more important as we go to 36-50MP. Lens quality will play a bigger role as well as technique.
It will be very interesting to see actual pictures from these new cameras.
Peter de Weerdt wrote:
Just to make it clear: this 5Dx is by far not as fast a 1DiV leave alone the 1Dx. Not only is the frame rate slower, but the viewfinder blackout time and shutterlag are behind as well.
Will the 5D3/x be faster than the 5D2 for VBT and shutterlag?
Is there any reason to think the new 5D will not be the BEST video DSLR on the market under 10k? That's what I expect. 5DII = legendary video. 1DX and D4 are superior now. Red Scarlet is what 10K? C300 is 11k? So the 5DX will simply be the best most revolutionary video DSLR ever, it just has to be...if it's not Canon forfeits the market dominance they've established. Tell me if I'm wrong.
Question is, what does superior video give us photographers? 1DX-like autofocus? Because that face-detection I tried on the 1DX at Imaging USA could TRULY rock some video.
jorkata wrote:
Well, ever since the 7D was announced, many people have been asking for a FF version of the 7D.
By the look of things, Canon will be giving us just that.
I keep wondering about the number of megapixels, though.
If Canon decides to reuse the 18mp 1DX sensor, how many fps will they allow on the 5DIII?
The 7D can already do 8fps with 18mp, so why should the 5DIII be less capable?
As for the D800: 36mp might seem spectacular on paper but it's not all that useful in practice, IMO.
So, an 18mp/8fps 5DIII may turn out to be much more sought after than a 36mp/4fps D800. ...Show more →
Well D800 rumors are 4fps FF 36MP gripless/gripped and 6fps with grip at 14MP APS-C 1.6x and improved top level AF, which gets just enough to be semi-ok if not great for action with nice reach for sports/wildlife and great detail for landscape/studio.
So 18mp 8fps is nice but not the detail for landscapes and not the reach for birds.
Might 8fps not be too close to 1DX though? Many serious pros can live with 8fps, but not 6.3fps. If it has 8fps then I bet the AF is not a trace better than 7D.
? And the wish list varies widely from one to the other user 
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