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S Dilworth wrote:
The K-01 is interesting because it's aimed at photographers who know their f-stop from their elbow. I like that!



From the design, I would not have guessed that.




Feb 02, 2012 at 01:18 PM
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You know, looking at the Pentax lineup, I might be starting to come around.

The body is still large to not have a viewfinder (it's roughly the size of the GH2, though significantly heavier), but it's not too large to use as a mirrorless body provided you have small lenses. Now, most lenses in the Pentax lineup are DSLR sized...which defeats the point, of course. However, you could make a nice lineup of their limited lenses and get a good little compact setup. Get the new 40/2.8, then add the 21mm f/3.2, which is 140g and one inch long, as well as the 70mm f/2.4, which is also 1 inch long and only 130g. That's pretty compact.

Of course, if you want fast lenses, or ultra-wide, you're going to have a honkin' big lens on the end of that thing, but if you just wanted a moderate wide, normal and telephoto, this could work. I'd still miss the viewfinder in a body this big, though. The biggest problem with the size of the body is not that it's overtly huge...it's heavier and thicker than the Panasonic SLR-styled bodies, but still more or less the same size, and it's a lot smaller than the Fuji X-Pro1. But the problem is that this is the thinnest it can ever get, while with Panasonic you can get the GX1 or GF3, with Olympus you can get the E-PM1 or E-PL3, with Sony, the 5N is tiny (heck, the 7's pretty small), and even the Fuji could be made smaller...but this...you're stuck at this thickness at a minimum.



Feb 02, 2012 at 01:30 PM
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p.4 #3 · Pentax K-01 mirrorless coming soon?


Lotusm50 wrote:
From the design, I would not have guessed that.


Because it's yellow?

You don't get these features on a Nikon 1, or even a NEX! I'm sure you'll agree these features support "serious" photography:

- Pentax K-mount
- careful ergonomics, plenty of controls including AF/AE-L button
- huge, state-of-the-art sensor
- manual, aperture-priority, shutter-priority, and programme modes
- 6 frames per second
- 1⁄4000 second top shutter speed
- focus peaking option, "81 focus points" (I know, I know…)
- spot metering, exposure bracketing, etc.
- switchable aspect ratios including square format
- built-in intervalometer
- raw file support
- support for SDXC UHS Speed Class 1 cards
- high-res 3-inch display with 170-degree viewing angles
- Full HD 1080p video capture
- GPS support
- big, high-capacity battery
- tough build

Most of them are of interest only to keen photographers. Chaps who know their f-stop from their elbow.

Jman13 wrote:
you're stuck at this thickness at a minimum.


Yeah, it's not designed to be the smallest thing on the market. But again, there are a hundred cameras to choose from that emphasise small size, often at the expense of control. There's room for something slightly different on the shop shelves.



Feb 02, 2012 at 01:38 PM
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Lotusm50 wrote:
From the design, I would not have guessed that.




Thats why they put the designers signature onto the body, to remind those who don't "get it" how its really very trendy and chic camera that belongs more in a gallery than for taking images that would go into gallery I guess.



Feb 02, 2012 at 01:42 PM
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S Dilworth wrote:
Because it's yellow?

You don't get these features on a Nikon 1, or even a NEX! I'm sure you'll agree these features support "serious" photography:

- Pentax K-mount
- careful ergonomics, plenty of controls including AF/AE-L button
- huge, state-of-the-art sensor
- manual, aperture-priority, shutter-priority, and programme modes
- 6 frames per second
- 1⁄4000 second top shutter speed
- focus peaking option, "81 focus points" (I know, I know…)
- spot metering, exposure bracketing, etc.
- switchable aspect ratios including square format
- built-in intervalometer
- raw file support
- support for SDXC UHS Speed Class 1 cards
- high-res 3-inch display with 170-degree viewing angles
- Full HD 1080p video capture
- GPS
...Show more

NEX cameras have a majority of those features, but that's beside the point. Remind me why I would choose this new camera over a K-5? Minor size differences?



Feb 02, 2012 at 01:48 PM
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Yeah.....there are no other cameras that have a 16meg Sony sensor like the NEX5n are there ?

Nor any that can shoot at 6fps, because the NEX's can do 7 and the Nikon 1 can do 10 up to 16 fps, many m4/3 offerings can do 5+, X1 pro does 7 I think, so on and so forth

1/4000th top shutter speed ? Wow......

Spot metering and exposure bracketing ? Find me a camera that DOESN"T offer that

Switchable aspect ratios ? Again, find me a camera that doesn't do that

3" LCD ? Wow..... thats novel...no wait it isn't because thats industry standard and it doesn't even tilt or have a touch screen like most offerings do

1080 Video ? Again. wow.......

RAW mode ? Gee, what other cameras offer that ?

I could go on and on but you get the idea
I get that your really into this designer dude and think everything he must do is amazing, but is he even a photographer ?

Are you for that matter because your list of features that you say are for photographers who know their f-stop from their elbow reads like that of someone who's been living under a rock for the past 8 years and has no idea what the rest of the market is doing.

I mean sure, if you just stepped out of 2004 and saw a 3" LCD maybe it would be impressive, you know, back when everything was 1.8" but these days even some point and shoots have 3" 912K pixel LCD's, not to mention all the OLED displays, touch screens etc

S Dilworth wrote:
You don't get these features on a Nikon 1, or even a NEX! I'm sure you'll agree these features support "serious" photography:

- Pentax K-mount
- careful ergonomics, plenty of controls including AF/AE-L button
- huge, state-of-the-art sensor
- manual, aperture-priority, shutter-priority, and programme modes
- 6 frames per second
- 1⁄4000 second top shutter speed
- focus peaking option, "81 focus points" (I know, I know…)
- spot metering, exposure bracketing, etc.
- switchable aspect ratios including square format
- built-in intervalometer
- raw file support
- support for SDXC UHS Speed Class 1 cards
- high-res 3-inch display with 170-degree viewing angles
- Full HD 1080p video capture
- GPS support
- big,
...Show more



Feb 02, 2012 at 01:51 PM
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Your attitude is suspicious, millsart. You're oddly belligerent towards a design-led camera. Is crap a core value up in Ohio? Do Pentax and Newson insult your beliefs by making a nice camera?

I see this outright hostility towards deliberate design in some quarters, but I've never quite figured it out. I can understand why people might not like pretentiousness, but when "elitist" means functional and durable, and "salt of the earth" means thoroughly crap like it's always been and always should be dammit, then that stance becomes self-defeating.

This camera veers slightly from the established mirrorless path and everyone comes out of the woodwork to mock it, seemingly more because of its aesthetic qualities than its technical demerits. You'd think to hear some that buying it amounted to sashaying around in mink coats and waving cigarette holders at the servants.

The K-01 announcement has 500 comments on DPReview, not that I've read them. Even the Nikon 1 V1 and J1 review didn't get that many comments. Pentax will only remain relevant while it can garner interest like this.

To answer your question, douglasf13: you might love it, that's why! Has anyone ever loved a DSLR?



Feb 02, 2012 at 03:08 PM
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by any chance would your name be Newson?? lol your posts are cracking me up.



S Dilworth wrote:
Your attitude is suspicious, millsart. You're oddly belligerent towards a design-led camera. Is crap a core value up in Ohio? Do Pentax and Newson insult your beliefs by making a nice camera?

I see this outright hostility towards deliberate design in some quarters, but I've never quite figured it out. I can understand why people might not like pretentiousness, but when "elitist" means functional and durable, and "salt of the earth" means thoroughly crap like it's always been and always should be dammit, then that stance becomes self-defeatist.

This camera veers slightly from the established mirrorless path and everyone comes out
...Show more



Feb 02, 2012 at 03:12 PM
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Feb 02, 2012 at 03:13 PM
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S Dilworth wrote:
Your attitude is suspicious, millsart. You're oddly belligerent towards a design-led camera. Is crap a core value up in Ohio? Do Pentax and Newson insult your beliefs by making a nice camera?

I see this outright hostility towards deliberate design in some quarters, but I've never quite figured it out. I can understand why people might not like pretentiousness, but when "elitist" means functional and durable, and "salt of the earth" means thoroughly crap like it's always been and always should be dammit, then that stance becomes self-defeatist.

This camera veers slightly from the established mirrorless path and everyone comes out
...Show more

I, for one, am very interested in design, and I do think it matters in cameras. That being said, my criticisms have much less to do with the design, and more to do with the concept, regardless of what it looks like.

If this camera had the exact same design (although I'm not generally a fan of Newson's work,) yet had an EVF option and a registration distance around 20mm-ish, and therefore was smaller, I'd certainly consider it. I was really hoping Pentax would offer a compelling mirrorless camera system, but the Q system and K-01 are the two least interesting ILC mirrorless systems out there, IMO. As was mentioned above, you may as well just push the LiveView button on your Kx.



Feb 02, 2012 at 03:14 PM
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S Dilworth wrote:
The K-01 announcement has 500 comments on DPReview, not that I've read them.


You might try reading them. If you subscribe to the "negative publicity is still good publicity" ethic then maybe it is a good thing. On the other hand, the SD1 "wooden condom" case got a lot of comments on DPR as well...

I could care less what the camera "looks" like. This is ugly to some eyes for sure. The issue with it is that there is no point to it. It completely fails at /function/. That's the primary issue.

As far as taking a slightly different tack than other mirrorless cameras they sure did. They missed the entire point of mirrorless. All they did was rip out the mirror and its benefits while not providing a single one of the benefits that mirrorless could.

This thing is best mocked not because it is ugly, but because it is an utter failure in basic design from the ground up.

Ken



Feb 02, 2012 at 03:31 PM
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kwalsh wrote:
I could care less what the camera "looks" like. This is ugly to some eyes for sure. The issue with it is that there is no point to it. It completely fails at /function/. That's the primary issue.


Oh, I'm sure it'll take great photos and video. That's function, right?



Feb 02, 2012 at 03:35 PM
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Oh, I'm sure it'll take great photos and video. That's function, right?



Fair point. The issue is the product doesn't exist in a vacuum. There is a lot of competition in the market with "more functional" options. If it's got the K5 sensor in it then I'm sure IQ will be excellent. But then there is the K5, and all the NEXs, and so on.

Anyway, as much as many dislike it I hope at least it won't be a negative impact to Pentax's overall corporate survival/profits. I'd really like them to stick around for a long while!

Ken



Feb 02, 2012 at 03:40 PM
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Ditto!

I think it'll outperform the K-5 IQ-wise, and it certainly has better video chops. I just hope the upcoming K-r and K-5 replacements knock my socks off (plus the rumored Ricoh-led "pro" body).



Feb 02, 2012 at 03:42 PM
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S Dilworth wrote:
Because it's yellow?



Because it's fairly basic. and gimmicky at the same time.



You don't get these features on a Nikon 1, or even a NEX! I'm sure you'll agree these features support "serious" photography:

- Pentax K-mount
- careful ergonomics, plenty of controls including AF/AE-L button
- huge, state-of-the-art sensor
- manual, aperture-priority, shutter-priority, and programme modes
- 6 frames per second
- 1⁄4000 second top shutter speed
- focus peaking option, "81 focus points" (I know, I know…)
- spot metering, exposure bracketing, etc.
- switchable aspect ratios including square format
- built-in intervalometer
- raw file support
- support for SDXC UHS Speed Class 1 cards
- high-res 3-inch display with 170-degree viewing angles
- Full HD 1080p video capture
- GPS support
- big, high-capacity battery
-
...Show more


Nonsense. Most of that stuff IS of interest to "entry-level" amateurs and is available in a number of entry-level DSLR's and mirror-less cameras. The cheaper NEX-5N has most of these plus a 67% faster frame rate.




Feb 02, 2012 at 03:55 PM
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No one seems to have mentioned it but to me it looks like a slightly bigger GXR body. Of course some things differ but the back and front style seem very similar.


Feb 02, 2012 at 03:59 PM
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To be honest, I dig the design. The K-5 really has hell of a sensor. Great DR, low noise, etc... Far better than any M43 right now.

http://snapsort.com/compare/Olympus-E-P3-vs-Pentax_K-5

The small pancake lenses makes it a great choice for a compact system. I love the simplicity of the design. 15-40-70 kit lens does make sense. I'm only wondering how fast will be the AF. I'll give the runner a chance. OTOH, I wonder why the didn't put any finder !



Feb 02, 2012 at 04:27 PM
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Your basic is my simple, Lotusm50. And I see nothing gimmicky about this camera. On the contrary, it has all the gimmicks taken out of it. Not a gratuitous line in sight.

" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Here's the designer
on his creation. Ignore his hairstyle.



Feb 02, 2012 at 04:31 PM
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kwalsh wrote:
You might try reading them. If you subscribe to the "negative publicity is still good publicity" ethic then maybe it is a good thing.


Since you said so, I waded through the first page of comments on DPReview. The SNR is about 2 dB over there, but I detected the following signals. These were all the comments that were positive about the design (there were many others that were negative).

it's bold — Oery, Indonesia

Brave move, great design, respect to the Pentax. — GoranS, Croatia

I like it; and that us all that really matters.
Added to want list.
— Kokoro, UK

About time for DPR folks to understand how bad camera designs were so far in most cases and how they could be improved. Sony should be sitting in first line and watching carefully, learning. — Zvonimir Tosic, Australia

Pentax is smarter than you think and most detractors in this forum are ignorant. There is a market for this […] Will the K-01 fit into a pocket? No, nor does a Nex or Oly, does it look different and not suit traditionalists? Absolutely, but is it different and take damn good stills ? Most likely Yes !!! — robbo d, Australia

There is no point in Pentax making black plastic boxes like everyone else. The "road less travelled" often has a better view. — topstuff, UK

I believe the design is very good. It is smart - it looks very usable. As oposed to NEX. Design is not about how fashinable it looks, that is much less important than utility. This seems like a very usable camera. — Jarda_Houdek, Czech Republic

its simplistic design and big body might please some people who feel intimidated by the traditional design — iae aa eia, Brazil

Its a beautiful design.. beauty is in the eye of beholder! — Naveed Akhtar, UK

Oh! Just felt in love with this beauty. Eventually something that does not look like a dino right away from the museum. Minimalistic design. Not made for shooting birds 1km away, not a flimsy little where-did-I-put-it thingy, clear and few buttons, large display, built-in flash, interesting line of lenses. Made for shooting great pictures and eventually NO TOY FOR ALL THOSE TECHIES HERE. — blechkiste, Austria

WOW!!! What a fantastic design!! Hahah! I like it, a must have!! Bet the image quality is awesome!!)) Bravo Pentax!!! — patoth66, Sweden

So for me I do see a good use for this K-01 with DA40mm/f2.8xs in my favorite colour (yellow). — RonHendriks, Netherlands

Perfect. want one NOW!
People who complain about the design should continue using cameras which look like cameras.
When you see a guy with the yellow one - that's me.
Regards to my always super critical dpreview friends. You will be surprised by the success of this "object". […] this design compares in quality to a good bottle of bordeaux rather than to junk food. not eveyone recognizes the difference.
— fredscapes, Germany

Looks pretty cool to me — ripimage, [stateless]

Observations on the above: many people seem to strongly like it, Australians are overrepresented, and Americans are entirely absent. Anything else?



Feb 02, 2012 at 05:25 PM
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S Dilworth wrote:
Your basic is my simple, Lotusm50. And I see nothing gimmicky about this camera. On the contrary, it has all the gimmicks taken out of it. Not a gratuitous line in sight.



"Basic", "simple" pretty much the same thing. Simplified for people coming from compacts small-sensor cameras. The whole design is a gimmick -- to look different. The pentaprism bump is gratuitous as there is no prism (and it is in excess of what is needed for the flash). The bump out and curved line in the front of the camera coming from the dial is absolutely gratuitous. And the yellow isn't gratuitous? The whole thing was designed to be a modernist fashion statement, so fashion-conscious people will buy it. You're kidding yourself if you don't see that. To be clear, I'm not saying it looks bad, it looks fine, but the look of it is one of the gimmicks. It certainly is not a minimalist design. One poster brought up Memphis design (with the quoted description of it "Bauhaus plus Fisher-Price") and it does fit within that aesthetic.




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