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SoundHound wrote:
Exactly domdog31, why make an expensive D4 (and keep the D3x in inventory) and spend lots to promote it if you are going to make a better camera-at half the price-to be introduced 4 weeks later? Obviously there is no business reason-as much as all of use would rather spend $3000 instead of $6000 for a new camera.


If current rumors of a 36MP D800 are correct, I would expect the D3x to be discontinued when the D800 is released. The D800 will offer more MP and better ISO performance, so the only reason to get a D3x would be to get the best-possible weathersealing. The D3x is almost four years old anyway, so it's about time for it to be discontinued. No big deal, just the usual product evolution.

But the D800 is not going to be a "better" camera than the D4... it will be different. Far more MP, yes. But lower ISO performance, slower burst rates, and a few other differences (just like the D3/D300/D700) will mean it's not a "better" camera. More suitable to some people, yes. But also less suitable for others.

To me, the current Nikon rumors also point to three additional product opportunities, what I'd call the D4x (D4 body with D800 sensor), the D700s (D800 body with D3s sensor) and the D800h (D800 body with D4 sensor). Looks to me like Nikon could create any of those with relatively low marginal costs, and potentially increase revenue from those market niches. No idea whether Nikon's market analysis indicates that those products are or are not a good risk to take, though.



Jan 20, 2012 at 10:39 AM
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p.6 #2 · Nikon D800 on February 7th...


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Try downloading 1,000 images ... 1,500 images. Then reviewing, sorting, processing. Try that on something other than a late model, highest end PC or MAC, maxed out with processing speed and RAM.


When I shoot airshows with a 24MP D3x, I come home with 2500-3500 images a day, so a weekend may result in 7000 images to triage and process. I use LR3, and usually do ingestion at night after the event, on a dual-core 2.5GHz notebook with 4GB of RAM. Although I sometimes edit on a faster desktop, I also sometimes use the notebook, so I can comfortably say that processing 7000 24MP images on an older, slower machine has not been a problem for me.

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People have all kinds of needs, skill levels, equipment, etc. Not everyone may have the same technical file handling and processing skills. Seems like a fair number of working pro's and amateurs shooting weddings and events with large amounts of files to work with do not want the added time from dealing with huge files. [...] Sounds reasonable to me.


Sure it is. A friend of mine has just finished switching from D70s bodies to D90 bodies for weddings, too. And I'd bet that a large number of those people are going to move to D7000 or D700 bodies for the reasons you mention, and that's reasonable too. What's not reasonable is expecting or hoping for that (IMHO small) segment of the market to drive Nikon's design of new products. If current technology and the competitive landscape mean that Nikon's best chance for success (over the next four years, mind you) is a 36MP body, then those who don't want a new computer of larger files should look to the D7000, D700, D3, and D3s used market for their cameras instead of wanting Nikon to hold back progress for everyone else.

Personally, I upgrade my computers about every three years. My average new desktop is about $1500, making that a regular $500/year expense. And I would do that regardless of whether a new camera came out, simply because the newer, faster computer also helps me process my old 12MP files more quickly and get more done in the same or even less time. So in the end, I respect that others see their new-camera and new-computer decisions as being somehow intertwined... but I don't understand that view, and I don't share it.

I see it this way: if buying a new $3500 camera (or two) is important for your business or hobby, then consider the new $1500 computer to be a part of that purchase and be done with it. If you don't want to deal with the huge files, you are probably not a D800 launch customer, and that's OK... there are certainly other options from Nikon right now which you can use instead of the D800.



Jan 20, 2012 at 10:52 AM
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p.6 #3 · Nikon D800 on February 7th...


Couple of thoughts on the 36mp:
Will allow some really stunning video footage.
Will perhaps make photographers slow down and press the shutter button only when they get it right in the camera. No more machine gunning and having 4K of images from an event to wade through because they are huge files.



Jan 20, 2012 at 01:35 PM
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p.6 #4 · Nikon D800 on February 7th...


raboof wrote:
I just bought a D700 a few days ago. Wondering how much it will cost me for not waiting for a couple of months.


My feeling is that the D700 is such a niche camera that it will only suffer a temporary drop in price used.
And I expect Nikon to continue making it as long as sales are good.
If you don't like it, return it now. Otherwise enjoy your new Nikon.



Jan 21, 2012 at 07:40 PM
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Funny, but my favorite shot I've ever taken was done with my D100. All 6Mp of it. Looks great at 13X19 and framed in my bedroom, to me anyways.

36Mp is probably overkill for a lot of people, but hopefully if they do go that route they will offer a different camera for those that don't need it or the expense of a D4. I'm not done with the D300 and D700, so I don't know that I'll be upgrading right away. It will be interesting to see what is out there when I do decide to make a camera purchase.

David



Jan 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM
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Rodolfo Paiz wrote:
When I shoot airshows with a 24MP D3x, I come home with 2500-3500 images a day, so a weekend may result in 7000 images to triage and process. I use LR3, and usually do ingestion at night after the event, on a dual-core 2.5GHz notebook with 4GB of RAM. Although I sometimes edit on a faster desktop, I also sometimes use the notebook, so I can comfortably say that processing 7000 24MP images on an older, slower machine has not been a problem for me.

Sure it is. A friend of mine has just finished switching from D70s bodies to
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Totally agree. I have the proclivity to update a new build every few years as well. I believe just keeping up with technology also introduce new excitement and contribute to motivation. I don't know about you, but when I purchase new equipment(toys)... I'm always ready for a test drive hahaha.



Jan 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM
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eaglewolf wrote:
Funny, but my favorite shot I've ever taken was done with my D100. All 6Mp of it. Looks great at 13X19 and framed in my bedroom, to me anyways.


Some of that will be true for any real photographer (i.e. one who actually makes images he/she cares about). One my favorite images is also from a 6MP D70s. I've got it printed to 16x24 on canvas and it looks drop-dead gorgeous... of course the 150dpi max resolution of canvas really helped.

On the other hand, I also tried to print that image at 24x36 on glossy paper, and the results were far less delightful. A much-higher resolution camera could have given me that enlargement with far better quality, especially since it would have required less interpolation in the first place.

In the end and after a lot of thought, I decided that I'm happy to shoot with "too many" pixels 99% of the time, just to make sure that I have as many as possible for that 1% of killer keepers. I'm sure many people will think differently, but as the old Indian chief said: "if everyone thought like me, they'd all want my sqwaw!"



Jan 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM
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Rodolfo Paiz wrote:
In the end and after a lot of thought, I decided that I'm happy to shoot with "too many" pixels 99% of the time, just to make sure that I have as many as possible for that 1% of killer keepers. I'm sure many people will think differently, but as the old Indian chief said: "if everyone thought like me, they'd all want my sqwaw!"


If I had the expendable cash, I'd pop for a 36Mp D800 if that is what Nikon released. I just don't have that right now. Since I have the D700, I already have a speedy full frame camera that meets those needs. While some are starting to gripe that the D700 is long in the tooth and showing its age, to me it is still a great camera and provides me with phenomenal photographs.

Like you, I would prefer too many pixels to not enough. Then if I need to crop, I've got more to work with. I don't always have a long enough lens with me, so cropping can come in handy if you don't have the ability to get closer for one reason or another.

David



Jan 23, 2012 at 03:20 PM
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eaglewolf wrote:
Like you, I would prefer too many pixels to not enough. Then if I need to crop, I've got more to work with. I don't always have a long enough lens with me, so cropping can come in handy if you don't have the ability to get closer for one reason or another.


There are other benefits to having "too many" pixels. See this neat post by "theSuede" in another thread for an illustration:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1078474/0#10269934



Jan 23, 2012 at 03:46 PM
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drdrew wrote:
well i sure hope they are right too...but this is like the 3rd or 4th release date NR has had for the d800....



Yup. They seem to forget that actually, the D300s would logically be ahead in line for updating. I think they'd sell a lot more D400 than D800 too. As for price, Nikon seems to stay pretty close to specific price points for their model lines. After all, they have to compete with Canon. Re prices on used D700--no DSLR seems to avoid the effects of gravity once a new model comes out.


Kent in SD



Jan 23, 2012 at 07:27 PM
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Agreed that the D400 would sell in greater volume and that it is more "logically" in line for updating. However, two points: one, Peter at NikonRumors is only repeating whatever he hears, he's not theorizing about what should happen or what he thinks might happen, so it's not about "forgetting" anything... that's just what people seem to be talking about and it's getting reported.

Second and more importantly, Nikon's strategy to date would have the D400 being manufactured in Thailand which has been even worse hit than Japan, so D400 might well have been planned for an earlier update but been delayed by a greater amount. The D800 should be (again, based only on past strategy) manufactured in Japan and so Nikon may be able to bring it to market first. I'm sure that, at this point, Nikon is doing everything it can to get whatever it can out the door, and that may not be in the order which they had initially intended.



Jan 23, 2012 at 11:01 PM
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I will re-buy a D700 if the D800 is 36mp I'd be happier if it's D4 sensor in the D800.


Jan 25, 2012 at 11:30 PM
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I strongly doubt it will be 36mp. Probably in the 16-18 range.



Jan 25, 2012 at 11:49 PM
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John, I hope you're right but Nikon Rumors seems to be pretty confident that it will be 36MP. I just do not understand them eliminating the D700 and jumping 3x in MP for the line (I really wanted a D700s)? Part of what made me switch to Nikon was low MP and high ISO, but now they are apparently going to move away from that and I just don't get it. My hope is they will offer an sRAW option like Canon does with its 5D Mark II, which would bring it down to 18MP RAW shooting. The big question will be how it performs at high ISO, if they got this new sensor to perform just as good as the D700 with 3x the MP and offer an sRAW option, then I might be very interested, but if not, then I think sticking with the D700 or waiting for used D3s' to come below $3000 will be the way to go for me. For those on the fence who can wait, you probably ought to because in a few months we'll be seeing a lot of D700's for sale and prices will go down as other photog's jump on the D800, but I doubt it will be a big price drop at first, and if the D800 struggles at high ISO then I wonder if we'll see a resurgence of D700 interest.


Jan 27, 2012 at 02:14 PM
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wjmeyer wrote:
The big question will be how it performs at high ISO, if they got this new sensor to perform just as good as the D700 with 3x the MP and offer an sRAW option, then I might be very interested, but if not, then I think sticking with the D700 or waiting for used D3s' to come below $3000 will be the way to go for me. For those on the fence who can wait, you probably ought to because in a few months we'll be seeing a lot of D700's for sale and prices will go down as other
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Jan 27, 2012 at 03:22 PM
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Hi Roger, if the D800 has better high ISO than the D700 at 3x the MP, then you can be the first to pick my jaw off the floor I really hoped they would do a D700s, I think they could milk even more money out of that. When are they going to run out of numbers? If the D800 replaces the D700, then we'll see a D900 replace the D800, but then what, the D1000?


Jan 27, 2012 at 03:30 PM
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advan031 wrote:
I will re-buy a D700 if the D800 is 36mp I'd be happier if it's D4 sensor in the D800.


I'm with you!!!!!.........I've been holding off on either another D700 or a D3s........something else that has me thinking, D3's are a real bargain right now.....been seeing quite a few between $2500-3000........hmmmm...


anxiously waiting for this announcement!



Jan 27, 2012 at 04:08 PM
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lexdiamonnyc wrote:
I'm with you!!!!!.........I've been holding off on either another D700 or a D3s........something else that has me thinking, D3's are a real bargain right now.....been seeing quite a few between $2500-3000........hmmmm...
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DITTO!

I'm holding off the next body purchase in the hope that Nikon will have a rationally priced model that can do as well as - or better then - the 5D2 for video. If not, I'll hang on to the Canon bodies for Video and pick up another D700 or a used D3 (of even a used D3s) for photo only.

The suspense is kinda annoying me now! Just announce it already won't ya? !!!



Jan 27, 2012 at 04:40 PM
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I hear you guys. If it is 36MP and now way to scrunch the RAW (sRAW) then I'm going to be disappointed indeed; however, if that happens and like new D700's drop to $1500 or below, wow, what a steal! That's right lex, the D3 is going for under $3000, and as soon as the D4 is readilly available, I bet we'll soon see D3s' under $3k as well, may take a year or so, but it will happen because the D4 appears to be a major improvement over the D3s so I think we'll see a lot of people jump on that. But all is speculation, I'm with you Dave, enough already, let's see it to figure out what we want to do.


Jan 27, 2012 at 04:54 PM
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i dont think the d4 is that much of an improvement over the d3s as long as you just focus on photo and not video. The d3s is still king and the d4 will only make it stand out more when you compare the prices of a d3s against a d4. I personally am done with big bodies. so a D800 with the D4 sensor and no video for the right price would work for me. I don't need no stinking 36MP. I had the D3X and a D3S and got rid of the X because the S rendered much nicer files. I yea 24 vs 12 but honestly, I don't need it.


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