this looks very exciting, the lenses look great too. hopefully it plays nice with adapted lenses, isn't any bigger than the NEX-7, and has a good evf. if it had all that and IBIS it could be perfect for me.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I'm skeptical about this sensor somewhat because it still uses a color filter array to interpolate color, so it's stil basically a B&W sensor so it seems like it would still not allow for Foveon like resolution. If it is indeed 16MP, it's difficult to imagine it out performing say the FF 24MP sensor of the Sony A900
Well, of course it uses a color filter array, even the sensor concept presented on dpreview ("organic sensor") in lenght still has it, there once seemed to be a Fuji concept of a 3 layer organic sensor, but there is no evidence that it will be ready anytime soon.
This x1 pro sensor however doesn't even seem to have the organic layer on top that replaces the micro lenses.
The lack of an AA filter plus the lack of a vibrating mirror could indeed bring the real resolution of that camera close to the 21MP sensor by Canon. I doubt it will resolve as well as the 24MP FF sensor in the Sony or the Nikon, but is this really necessary? What's wrong about a 1300.- camera that is very good and looks good?
I would have preferred to see - like a few others - the organic sensor technology, but obviously it isn't - at least not yet - ready for commercial release. Experts like Dr. Fossum think that it is not possible to manufacture it at a reasonable cost anytime soon.
I am reserved towards this camera, but would not exclude to buy one, if the results are convincing enough....
That's why I'm shooting film, the most organic of all. If any company knows how to give a film look to their digital sensors, that must be Fuji. I have high hopes in their organic sensor technology.
Kodak did well too... Some major player (Canon?) should buy it if available...
It is interesting that Fuji hasn't disclosed or leaked the number of pixels in this new sensor. It would also be interesting, and quite competitive with with any other current offering (if the combination of sensor features are both true and successful) including specifically the Leica M9, if it came with 18 (or more) mp. It could kill the M9 for all but Leica die-hard collectors.
douglasf13 wrote:
I hear you, Tariq, although I guess a aa-less 16mp camera would look pretty close in resolution to a 24mp camera with an aa.
sebboh wrote:
this looks very exciting, the lenses look great too. hopefully it plays nice with adapted lenses, isn't any bigger than the NEX-7, and has a good evf. if it had all that and IBIS it could be perfect for me.
Looking at the lens mount alone, its sure to be noticeably bigger than the NEX-7.
It seems Fujifilm is content to leak a little here and there to build up anticipation until the camera is closer to shipping when they'll no doubt let loose with official release info.
They did well with the X100, building up the hype. Trying for a two-fer?
alba63 wrote:
I doubt it will resolve as well as the 24MP FF sensor in the Sony or the Nikon, but is this really necessary? What's wrong about a 1300.- camera that is very good and looks good?
Bernie
Since I was hoping to possibly replace both my Sony a900 and Fuji X100 with the X1, then yes, for me it would be neccessary that it resolve at least the detail of the Sony 24MP FF sensor. That's sort of how I read Fuji's claim of better than any current FF. Nothing wrong with the price if the IQ equals current high end APS mirrorless offerings beyond that. I don't actually find it as attractive as the x100 personally. The large expanse of "blank" horizontal space above the lens gives it sort of a Soviet era/ Frankenstein appearance to me. It looks very utilitarian.
michaelwatkins wrote:
It seems Fujifilm is content to leak a little here and there to build up anticipation until the camera is closer to shipping when they'll no doubt let loose with official release info.
They did well with the X100, building up the hype. Trying for a two-fer?
It said somewhere that there are 6 subpixels per pixel, which is how they avoid the AA filter. The camera sounds very interesting, looks like it sits well in the hand, and has a brilliantly picked first three lenses announced at good prices. This is just so much more interesting than the NEX system that I can hardly express it emphatically enough!
In fact, I guess I will hold off on my Nikon V1 vs. Olympus E-P3 decision until this is out. This is very exciting, especially if it can take Leica M lenses.
carstenw wrote:
It said somewhere that there are 6 subpixels per pixel, which is how they avoid the AA filter. !
Hmm. I must have missed that. I understood they were able to avoid the AA filter due to the use of a new 6 color filter array over the common CMOS sensor. Must have missed the part about 6 sub pixels per pixel. Where is this info at?
"Sensor : APS-C 1.5x, CMOS, Fuji “X-Trans” technology. Photosites pattern is 6 sides (as opposed to Bayer 4 sides). There is no anti-moiré filter, which will allow better resolution. [Note that there is no word about an organic sensor]"
"Sensor : APS-C 1.5x, CMOS, Fuji “X-Trans” technology. Photosites pattern is 6 sides (as opposed to Bayer 4 sides). There is no anti-moiré filter, which will allow better resolution. [Note that there is no word about an organic sensor]"
Thanks for the link. Sounds like there is still only 1 actual photo site but the color filter array above it consists of 6 colors instead of 4 to somehow more accurately interpolate the correct color. I would expect there must still be some error as the color is still guessed at, it's just a better guess. Still very exciting and I can't wait to see what the image quality looks like. Knowing Fuji, the color should be amazing.
Lotusm50 wrote:
Looking at the lens mount alone, its sure to be noticeably bigger than the NEX-7.
how can you tell by the lens mount? it looks like it'll definitely be thicker, but it's hard to judge size without any other objects of known size in the picture.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Thanks for the link. Sounds like there is still only 1 actual photo site but the color filter array above it consists of 6 colors instead of 4 to somehow more accurately interpolate the correct color. I would expect there must still be some error as the color is still guessed at, it's just a better guess. Still very exciting and I can't wait to see what the image quality looks like. Knowing Fuji, the color should be amazing.
I think the key element here is random versus regular. The 6 photosites are randomly distributed unlike the bayer pattern which follows a regular distribution. It is claimed that the random pattern is more film like, and does not necessitate an AA filter.
(btw I am a semi native french speaker, if that makes any sense )
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Thanks for the link. Sounds like there is still only 1 actual photo site but the color filter array above it consists of 6 colors instead of 4 to somehow more accurately interpolate the correct color.
Erm, what? In normal sensors, there are 4 photosites under the RGBG colour array, i.e. one pixel for each colour.
On the other hand, I guess I used the term subpixels wrong, which is I guess what you are reacting to. I meant 6 pixels to each full colour. Or, alternatively, there are 6 pixels but 2 of them are not colour, but maybe small and large and clear, to give more dynamic range? There are all kinds of possibilities here. We will have to wait for the marketing blurb I guess.
FWIW, Sony experimented with alternate CFAs in the F828, and used one emerald instead of one green, to get some better blue-green transitions I guess, but I suppose it didn't work out since they didn't keep it.
edwardkaraa wrote:
I think the key element here is random versus regular. The 6 photosites are randomly distributed unlike the bayer pattern which follows a regular distribution. It is claimed that the random pattern is more film like, and does not necessitate an AA filter.
Now this is interesting! Where did you see the word random mentioned? That is what computer graphics does to better filter, instead of just softening everything with a blunt AA filter.
