Well I guess that's part of it, what TTL system is it? I don't see a lot of pros who would spend $2000 on a crop body and the same on lenses using a lot of third party flashes.
So it seems the Fuji TTL, the best you can get is the EF-42?
If you're a pro photog relying on this for the roof over your head, why would you buy this over Canikon or even an Alpha mount.
FlyPenFly wrote:
As far as I've used the X100 up to 1.10, AF was still awful, unreliable, and would fail randomly even with the most conservative of settings and challenges. However other people seemed to have great luck so I don't know. I did try 3 copies.
Now this is a dedicated camera married to a single fixed lens. I imagine a variety of lenses plus zoom lenses would present Fuji with perhaps their Everest. But who knows, maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised.
1.11 was a huge improvement for me on the X100.
Fuji had one of the most sophisticated MF systems around for film in the GX680 and now make the lenses for the Hasselblad H system (and I believe they helped design parts of that system as well). I think they can handle it. http://digitechtalk.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/gx680_035.jpg
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I think you may be underestimating the status of Fuji among professionals, both in the film and digital world. Many wedding and portrait pros used/use Fuji DSLR's due to the file quality and this previous Fuji user group would likely jump right in if the camera suited them.
I agree that Fuji cameras have had very compelling professional cameras in the past that have had a loyal user base, but the DSLR bodies had the unique multi sized pixels for extended DR, which makes a lot of sense for wedding shooters (white dress/black tux.) With CDAF and a less cutting edge sensor technology than the DSLRs, I'm not sure the X-Pro1 is quite in the same league for pros, but, I still kinda want one if the AF is ok. It's damn cool.
FlyPenFly wrote:
Well I guess that's part of it, what TTL system is it? I don't see a lot of pros who would spend $2000 on a crop body and the same on lenses using a lot of third party flashes.
So it seems the Fuji TTL, the best you can get is the EF-42?
If you're a pro photog relying on this for the roof over your head, why would you buy this over Canikon or even an Alpha mount.
douglasf13 wrote:
I agree that Fuji cameras have had very compelling professional cameras in the past that have had a loyal user base, but the DSLR bodies had the unique multi sized pixels for extended DR, which makes a lot of sense for wedding shooters (white dress/black tux.) With CDAF and a less cutting edge sensor technology than the DSLRs, I'm not sure the X-Pro1 is quite in the same league for pros, but, I still kinda want one if the AF is ok. It's damn cool.
I do think Fuji has an uphill battle if they are going after this group. Most in that group would want a DSLR with an accurate TTL optical finder. EVF would be too slow/ laggy and eat the batteries up quickly. Non TTL optical may not be accurate enough and with longer lenses, give a very small view. So yes, Fuji probably has an issue here.
FlyPenFly wrote:
As far as I've used the X100 up to 1.10, AF was still awful, unreliable, and would fail randomly even with the most conservative of settings and challenges. However other people seemed to have great luck so I don't know. I did try 3 copies.
Now this is a dedicated camera married to a single fixed lens. I imagine a variety of lenses plus zoom lenses would present Fuji with perhaps their Everest. But who knows, maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised.
I have the same gut feeling. Combining optical VF and autofocus spells trouble. Old Contax G user had problem accurtely focusing 90 Sonnar. X100 and X-pro1 will fair better due to the focusing spot can be reduced or enlarged to help with critical focusing. The firmware update improved X100 accuracy. But with larger aperture lenses and only 0.6x/0.37x optical VF, parallel correction will be definitely more challenging to overcome. I speculate that optical VF with projected focusing confirmation will be of little use for manual focus with third party lenses. People interested in using thrid party lenses will have to rely on EVF/liveview for manual focusing.
Obviously that's a subjective consideration based on each photographer's style of work. That said, I have not yet found myself restricted by the M9's flash capability - I use a Canon 580 on it when needed, in manual power mode, because that's what I happen to have for my Canons. If it's a wedding, I shoot mostly available light, regardless of system. But that's my choice and I understand that others are more comfortable using fill flash.
I don't expect the Fuji will become a wedding photographer's primary camera, but it might be a secondary, maybe for use with wide lenses, available light, when something more discrete than a huge DSLR with a giant f/2.8 lens is more appropriate... And, it will look different from the other weekend warriors out there. While that might not matter for the end result, as we know, people make a lot of judgements based on very superficial observations.
But I think as has been mentioned, this Fuji is really aimed at a market niche. At all those who say they want a Leica-like camera but not at Leica prices. Guess what, this is what 'not at Leica prices' gets you. It's not going to be a perfect system camera, just like the NEXes, GXR, Samsungs, aren't either. They all have compromises. As does any DSLR system.
bluetsunami wrote:
Pro cameras get the special $2K markup for pro... ness.
yep and a mandatory grip that is welded on and weighs half a kilo
oh and weather sealing for those days that you'd rather be at home instead of taking photos, because of the weather
Jeff Kott wrote:
Yes, to each his own and it depends on what you're going to do with the camera. Serious hikers are fanatical about getting rid of every extra ounce of weight and reducing size. I travel a lot for business with carryon luggage and want the highest image quality from the smallest possible package. So, I prefer the size of the NEX 7 to the size of the M9/X1 Pro. On the other hand, I do find it easier to hold a larger and heavier camera steady and understand how people might want a camera larger than the NEX.
Tell me about it. I'm an avid backpacker and I carry around a 5dii, 4 or 5 lenses and a tripod. I'm hoping to switch over to a mirrorless system, but I can't talk myself into taking a step back in image quality. I think we're getting very close, I'm just watching the market right now as there a several new options.
iskraII wrote:
People interested in using thrid party lenses will have to rely on EVF/liveview for manual focusing.
That is exactly what would interest me in the XP1. And I would want to primarily use it with manual focus alt lenses.
The lack of a mechanical rangefinder coupling means that optical focusing will be impossible without deep enough depth of field or hyper focal focusing. But the EVF will allow accurate wide open focusing and eliminate the entire problem of small frame lines in an optical viewfinder when using a 90mm, for example. This is a weakness of the rangefinder system, which should be overcome with an EVF if it's implemented well. The Sonys are pretty good, and hopefully the Fuji will be reasonably close.
With the shape, size, design and form factor, and a definitive statement of having M mount adapters that will become available, the X-Pro1 IMO is competing head on with the M8/9's for a fraction of the price, not the NEX series. If the X-Pro1 gets the optics and geometry right with their new sensor they will have achieved a milestone. Hopefully the reduced flange to sensor distance combined with the lack of AA filter will maximise the IQ with the M mount lenses, and resolve the pending issues with WA's.
I am glad that I had my order in early If Fuji do get it right, the X-Pro1 will be sitting my bag as serious backup for my M9
flashinm wrote:
Tell me about it. I'm an avid backpacker and I carry around a 5dii, 4 or 5 lenses and a tripod. I'm hoping to switch over to a mirrorless system, but I can't talk myself into taking a step back in image quality. I think we're getting very close, I'm just watching the market right now as there a several new options.
I'm in the same boat as you, but more of a day-hiker. Even traveling "light" with the 5D2 and a couple lenses gets to be a lot, but I don't want to lose much in image quality. I tried micro 4/3 but was never happy with the IQ (admittedly, this was back in the GF1/E-P1 days). I moved to an X100 and except for the auto-focus (which is kind of a show-stopper) I've thoroughly enjoyed it. I have high-hopes for this camera/system.
rscheffler wrote:
That is exactly what would interest me in the XP1. And I would want to primarily use it with manual focus alt lenses.
The lack of a mechanical rangefinder coupling means that optical focusing will be impossible without deep enough depth of field or hyper focal focusing. But the EVF will allow accurate wide open focusing and eliminate the entire problem of small frame lines in an optical viewfinder when using a 90mm, for example. This is a weakness of the rangefinder system, which should be overcome with an EVF if it's implemented well.
True, and because of the crop factor you get to use ultrawide lenses for wide fov, and these have deep enough dof for pre-focused shooting
Right when I get my Canon 5D setup put together the way I like it, Fuji comes out with something that absolutely makes me drool. Time to get a job, This college student is going to be broke!
