The files to me look similar to what I initially saw with the NEX-5N SOOC jpegs. Not from a color and tonality perspective, but from a NR perspective. Most of the XP1 files lack a bit of a 'granular' feel IMO, which implies jpeg NR, so it will be interesting to see actual RAW files. I agree though that the tonality and color looks good. Very rich compared to what I thought were kind of flat mid tones SOOC from the 5N I had access to (until I set it to +2 contrast and +1 saturation on the standard setting).
Pixel Perfect wrote:
But it's not f/1.4, so it's not a fair comparison. For a normal lens design, the Fuji is incredibly small for a 35 f/1.4 for a large sensor. Look at size and weight of a FF 35 f/1.4, which has same size front element. EF 35 f/1.4 is around 600g IIRC.
The full frame Voigtlander 35/1.4 M lens is only about 29mm long and much smaller in diameter, but I'm afraid I'm getting too off topic. My overall point is just that, at this size, we're getting into M9 territory, and I'm sure if I'm up for that with an aps-c sensor. My 5N with M lenses is a much, much smaller option.
Size is a funny thing. For me, the 5n is way too small. Nex7 is borderline. Id prefer a slightly larger camera with compact lenses. To each his own I guess.
flashinm wrote:
Size is a funny thing. For me, the 5n is way too small. Nex7 is borderline. Id prefer a slightly larger camera with compact lenses. To each his own I guess.
Yes, to each his own and it depends on what you're going to do with the camera. Serious hikers are fanatical about getting rid of every extra ounce of weight and reducing size. I travel a lot for business with carryon luggage and want the highest image quality from the smallest possible package. So, I prefer the size of the NEX 7 to the size of the M9/X1 Pro. On the other hand, I do find it easier to hold a larger and heavier camera steady and understand how people might want a camera larger than the NEX.
douglasf13 wrote:
The full frame Voigtlander 35/1.4 M lens is only about 29mm long and much smaller in diameter, but I'm afraid I'm getting too off topic. My overall point is just that, at this size, we're getting into M9 territory, and I'm sure if I'm up for that with an aps-c sensor. My 5N with M lenses is a much, much smaller option.
Don't forget that Samsung's cameras have a pretty deep lens mount to sensor distance, which adds to the camera's depth, but allows the lenses to be shorter.
Yes, there are a lot of different needs expressed in this thread so far. Doug, I think a big question will be how well the Fuji performs with WA RF glass, vs. the 5N. As we've both experienced, the 5N is not a sure thing with such lenses and so far only the GXR M module seems to be 'perfect' in this respect. It's a bit frustrating that every one of these CSCs so far has been good or very good, but not quite there yet. I suspect the Fuji will also fall a bit shy in certain areas.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Yes, never be first in line IMO. We shouldn't be the beta testers. Hopefully they've learnt from X100.
I think given the price and more pro oriented market Fuji is aiming for with the XP1, they would be crazy to release the camera before it's ready. X100 is one thing but a problem riddled intro for this camera would not be tolerated - only Leica can get away with something like that.
FlyPenFly wrote:
Who wants to make a $20 wager that the Fuji will have firmware and AF problems at launch?
Are Fuji known for preliminary Firmware and AF problems in every single one of their cameras or just in product they've never produced before and are now a second generation in?
I think this is for the enthusiast still not the pro market. The number of pros who I think would use a brand new untested system for paid gigs is tiny especially for a limited set of prime lenses and a flash system that is so lackluster.
The number of photojournalists that would trade in their M8.2/M9 for a X1Pro can't be very big.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I think given the price and more pro oriented market Fuji is aiming for with the XP1, they would be crazy to release the camera before it's ready. X100 is one thing but a problem riddled intro for this camera would not be tolerated - only Leica can get away with something like that.
Given some of the obvious similarities, the solving of issues with the X100 will benefit the smooth introduction of the X Pro1.
FlyPenFly wrote:
I think this is for the enthusiast still not the pro market. The number of pros who I think would use a brand new untested system for paid gigs is tiny especially for a limited set of prime lenses and a flash system that is so lackluster.
The number of photojournalists that would trade in their M8.2/M9 for a X1Pro can't be very big.
The number of photojournalist using a Leica M still isn't very big. In the 9 years I've earned a living as a PJ I honestly never came across one person using an M.
I have taken mine before just for the heck of it, as it was my personal camera and gotten a shot or two, but never once thought it would/could ever replace my D3's.
Speaking of the lackluster flash system, how can you call Leica's much better ??
FlyPenFly wrote:
I think this is for the enthusiast still not the pro market. The number of pros who I think would use a brand new untested system for paid gigs is tiny especially for a limited set of prime lenses and a flash system that is so lackluster.
The number of photojournalists that would trade in their M8.2/M9 for a X1Pro can't be very big.
I think you may be underestimating the status of Fuji among professionals, both in the film and digital world. Many wedding and portrait pros used/use Fuji DSLR's due to the file quality and this previous Fuji user group would likely jump right in if the camera suited them.
No, I just mean if this is meant for the pro market, it can't be wedding/event photographers who need a robust flash system and it can't be pjs so which pro market is this for?
Lotusm50 wrote:
Given some of the obvious similarities, the solving of issues with the X100 will benefit the smooth introduction of the X Pro1.
As far as I've used the X100 up to 1.10, AF was still awful, unreliable, and would fail randomly even with the most conservative of settings and challenges. However other people seemed to have great luck so I don't know. I did try 3 copies.
Now the X100 was a dedicated camera married to a single fixed lens. I imagine a variety of lenses plus zoom lenses would present Fuji with perhaps their Everest. But who knows, maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised.
FlyPenFly wrote:
No, I just mean if this is meant for the pro market, it can't be wedding/event photographers who need a robust flash system and it can't be pjs so which pro market is this for?
Fuji stated Portrait/ Wedding. Does the XP1 not allow for TTL flash or something? I have not looked at it but a lot of wedding guys and gals would use a third party, handle mount system I think, not whatever flash Fuji comes out with.
