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p.6 #1Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
patriot wrote:
By that same logic, a 36 MP sensor would be the successor to the D3X.
No, since the D3X has an inbuilt grip, a 100% viewfinder and many other things that we'll probably not see in the D800. The camera is not defined by the sensor.
More MP's alone does not equal progress, unless then camera was designed and intended solely as a high resolution tool.
Your definition of progress has nothing with the real meaning of the word to do.
Like the 5D. That's all its got. A true successor to the D700 will not be solely about MP's, and low light/high ISO performance, which defined the D700, will be a big factor in a D800.
Ah, so now the D700 was only "defined" by low light performance?
Get real.
Personal taste has nothing to do with it. I would like to see Nikon release a 5D competitor for those that need the highest resolution; unlike you, I hope they don't do that at the expense of a D700 successor. Addition by subtraction is not progress.
You are the one talking about subtraction. Unlike you, I know that more pixels does NOT equal more noise.
Go ahead, continue whining instead of looking forward to a great camera. Over and out.
By that same logic, a 36 MP sensor would be the successor to the D3X.
No, since the D3X has an inbuilt grip, a 100% viewfinder and many other things that we'll probably not see in the D800. The camera is not defined by the sensor.
More MP's alone does not equal progress, unless then camera was designed and intended solely as a high resolution tool.
Your definition of progress has nothing with the real meaning of the word to do.
Like the 5D. That's all its got. A true successor to the D700 will not be solely about MP's, and low light/high ISO performance, which defined the D700, will be a big factor in a D800.
Ah, so now the D700 was only "defined" by low light performance?
Get real. Personal taste has nothing to do with it. I would like to see Nikon release a 5D competitor for those that need the highest resolution; unlike you, I hope they don't do that at the expense of a D700 successor. Addition by subtraction is not progress.
You are the one talking about subtraction. Unlike you, I know that more pixels does NOT equal more noise.
Go ahead, continue whining instead of looking forward to a great camera. Over and out.
Nov 22, 2011 at 07:27 AM
p.6 #2Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
GroovyGeek wrote:
How about "nothing you cannot do today"? Want high MPx count? Buy a pano kit from RRS for a few hundred bucks and be there.
Man, that is one of my pet peeves.
Every time the discussion about needing more MP comes up, there's advice to stitch. In reality, it's really not that practical.
I can't tell you the number of times I had less than a minute to capture a scene at the edge of day where the light was changing so fast it was nearly impossible to keep up with. I've literally been in situations where the light lasted only seconds and I only manage a couple frames - no way to do that with stitching.
The best shots, the kinds with amazing light, are often fleeting and next to impossible to create with stitching - especially if your bracketing for exposure and / or focus - just not enough time to get it done.
Plus, if there are dramatic, moving elements involved it makes it that much tougher - clouds, branches, passing birds, rainbows, etc, etc.
Not to mention, stitching is really only effective for landscape type work - I personally would like to shoot my wildlife at 36MP, and that might be tough to do in multiple stitched 12 MP frames.
Don't get me wrong, there are times stitching works amazingly, but I personally would like to be able to have high res whenever I need it - not just when I have time to stitch.
innovis wrote
The things this beast will do for my landscape shots...Man, that is one of my pet peeves.
Every time the discussion about needing more MP comes up, there's advice to stitch. In reality, it's really not that practical.
I can't tell you the number of times I had less than a minute to capture a scene at the edge of day where the light was changing so fast it was nearly impossible to keep up with. I've literally been in situations where the light lasted only seconds and I only manage a couple frames - no way to do that with stitching.
The best shots, the kinds with amazing light, are often fleeting and next to impossible to create with stitching - especially if your bracketing for exposure and / or focus - just not enough time to get it done.
Plus, if there are dramatic, moving elements involved it makes it that much tougher - clouds, branches, passing birds, rainbows, etc, etc.
Not to mention, stitching is really only effective for landscape type work - I personally would like to shoot my wildlife at 36MP, and that might be tough to do in multiple stitched 12 MP frames.
Don't get me wrong, there are times stitching works amazingly, but I personally would like to be able to have high res whenever I need it - not just when I have time to stitch.
Nov 22, 2011 at 07:59 AM
p.6 #3Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
patriot wrote:
A true successor to the D700 will not be solely about MP's, and low light/high ISO performance, which defined the D700, will be a big factor in a D800.
There will be no "true successor" to anything. Do you have the faintest idea of how business works? What you'll see from Nikon is the "next camera in the $XXXX bracket for the YYYY market segment". Though you say that personal opinion has nothing to do with it, all of your pronouncements about what will or will not be a big factor in the next camera are based entirely on your personal opinion and preference.
The D700 was a small-form-factor D3, a fully-professional camera with all the bells and whistles, plus a removable grip. It had the weathersealing, the AF engine, the sensor, and everything else from the D3 except 1 FPS, but it cost half as much. It was a new camera segment for Nikon. That you can oversimply all of that into something as basic as "low light/high ISO performance [...] defined the D700" is simply amazing, and should tell you that you're clearly missing something.
Whether Nikon emphasizes more MP, higher ISO, or more-recyclable materials in the next $3000-class FX camera is up to Nikon. I will bet money, though, that you get more MP than the D700 and higher ISO performance when printed at the same size. Either one alone is progress, whether you like it or not. Getting both is a dream come true.
A true successor to the D700 will not be solely about MP's, and low light/high ISO performance, which defined the D700, will be a big factor in a D800.
There will be no "true successor" to anything. Do you have the faintest idea of how business works? What you'll see from Nikon is the "next camera in the $XXXX bracket for the YYYY market segment". Though you say that personal opinion has nothing to do with it, all of your pronouncements about what will or will not be a big factor in the next camera are based entirely on your personal opinion and preference.
The D700 was a small-form-factor D3, a fully-professional camera with all the bells and whistles, plus a removable grip. It had the weathersealing, the AF engine, the sensor, and everything else from the D3 except 1 FPS, but it cost half as much. It was a new camera segment for Nikon. That you can oversimply all of that into something as basic as "low light/high ISO performance [...] defined the D700" is simply amazing, and should tell you that you're clearly missing something.
Whether Nikon emphasizes more MP, higher ISO, or more-recyclable materials in the next $3000-class FX camera is up to Nikon. I will bet money, though, that you get more MP than the D700 and higher ISO performance when printed at the same size. Either one alone is progress, whether you like it or not. Getting both is a dream come true.
Nov 22, 2011 at 08:19 AM
p.6 #4Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
innovis wrote:
The things this beast will do for my landscape shots...
GroovyGeek wrote:
How about "nothing you cannot do today"? Want high MPx count? Buy a pano kit from RRS for a few hundred bucks and be there.
Clearly, my friend, you need more experience in shooting landscapes to learn just how limited stitching is as a high-MP tool. It's a wonderful tool, yes... but it does not, in any way, replace the ability to capture a single frame with a great deal of information and detail.
Agreed with your other points on the AF, by the way.
The things this beast will do for my landscape shots...
GroovyGeek wrote:
How about "nothing you cannot do today"? Want high MPx count? Buy a pano kit from RRS for a few hundred bucks and be there.
Clearly, my friend, you need more experience in shooting landscapes to learn just how limited stitching is as a high-MP tool. It's a wonderful tool, yes... but it does not, in any way, replace the ability to capture a single frame with a great deal of information and detail.
Agreed with your other points on the AF, by the way.
Nov 22, 2011 at 08:22 AM
p.6 #5Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
Barking...all I hear is barking....
Nov 22, 2011 at 08:23 AM
p.6 #6Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
GroovyGeek wrote:
How about "nothing you cannot do today"? Want high MPx count? Buy a pano kit from RRS for a few hundred bucks and be there.
Been there, done that. It was a pain in the ass. In order to get the kind of resolution I was after, I gave up on digital completely and went back to film.
innovis wrote
The things this beast will do for my landscape shots...Been there, done that. It was a pain in the ass. In order to get the kind of resolution I was after, I gave up on digital completely and went back to film.
Nov 22, 2011 at 08:43 AM
p.6 #7Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
Makten wrote:
No, since the D3X has an inbuilt grip, a 100% viewfinder and many other things that we'll probably not see in the D800. The camera is not defined by the sensor.
So the purpose for the camera, what it was designed for, does not matter?
More MP's alone does not equal progress, unless then camera was designed and intended solely as a high resolution tool.
Your definition of progress has nothing with the real meaning of the word to do.
No idea what you mean here ...
Ah, so now the D700 was only "defined" by low light performance? Get real.
When did I say "only"? Are you denying that the low light\high ISO performance was one of the attributes that made the D700 so popular? High resolution was never a key attribute, but for some reason in a successor it should be the only attribute that is enhanced?
You are the one talking about subtraction. Unlike you, I know that more pixels does NOT equal more noise.
Where did I state that more MP's always equals more noise? I believe I've used the work "if". You seem to have difficulty making points without exagerating.
These D800 specs are only a rumor; how it performs is speculation. Perhaps I'm missing something, but you seem to be making an argument that high ISO\low light performance equal to the current, 4 year old D700 is acceptable in its replacement, while improvement in this area would somehow be irrelevant.
Go ahead, continue whining instead of looking forward to a great camera. Over and out.
"Great" solely because it has more MP's? That's it? Even if it had the same AF and ISO performance as the 4 year old model it replaces? Maybe a step back on FPS? Maybe not the same build quality? There's a lot of "if's" here ... yet you proclaim the D800, based on a rumor, to be a great camera because it has more megapixels?
I respect what's important to you, and how your make decisions on what to buy ... For me, I don't buy something based rumor, or the bullet points printed on the cover of the box.
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patriot wrote
By that same logic, a 36 MP sensor would be the successor to the D3X.So the purpose for the camera, what it was designed for, does not matter?
More MP's alone does not equal progress, unless then camera was designed and intended solely as a high resolution tool.
Your definition of progress has nothing with the real meaning of the word to do.
No idea what you mean here ...
Ah, so now the D700 was only "defined" by low light performance?
Get real. When did I say "only"? Are you denying that the low light\high ISO performance was one of the attributes that made the D700 so popular? High resolution was never a key attribute, but for some reason in a successor it should be the only attribute that is enhanced?
You are the one talking about subtraction. Unlike you, I know that more pixels does NOT equal more noise.
Where did I state that more MP's always equals more noise? I believe I've used the work "if". You seem to have difficulty making points without exagerating.
These D800 specs are only a rumor; how it performs is speculation. Perhaps I'm missing something, but you seem to be making an argument that high ISO\low light performance equal to the current, 4 year old D700 is acceptable in its replacement, while improvement in this area would somehow be irrelevant.
Go ahead, continue whining instead of looking forward to a great camera. Over and out.
"Great" solely because it has more MP's? That's it? Even if it had the same AF and ISO performance as the 4 year old model it replaces? Maybe a step back on FPS? Maybe not the same build quality? There's a lot of "if's" here ... yet you proclaim the D800, based on a rumor, to be a great camera because it has more megapixels?
I respect what's important to you, and how your make decisions on what to buy ... For me, I don't buy something based rumor, or the bullet points printed on the cover of the box.
Edited on Nov 23, 2011 at 05:32 PM · View previous versions
Nov 22, 2011 at 10:01 AM
p.6 #8Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
It looks interesting in my opinion but if I were to eventually go fx, I'd still probably still go for the D700. After carrying my uncle's D2x and my D90, I think I like to carry something that doesn't look like a small television. hahah. 
Nov 22, 2011 at 10:07 AM
p.6 #9Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
I didn't read this entire thread, but after looking at the images, doesn't it appear that the front dial is angled up quite a bit? The entire camera is pointing down, yet the front dial is angled straight at the capture camera.. it just doesn't look right. Something is off. I think this is a fake.
Nov 22, 2011 at 01:12 PM
p.6 #10Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
That was my thought as well Chris, something just looks "off" with the image. My hope is that by the Olympics next year we'll see a D4, a D800, a D700s and a D400, man that would give us a lot to choose from... if you want the best of the best, buy the D4 with about 18-20MP, if you want low MP but great high ISO then go for the D700s, if you want uber high MP then go for the D800 and if you like cropped sensors then the D400 should be the winner for you.
Like I've said before, if Nikon Axe's the D700 line with low MP count, I will be really disappointed, but if the D4 comes in and is truly a 1D X competitor, then I would hope to see used D3s prices drop under $3000k hopefully within about a year or so, and then the D3s will become my D700s
Like I've said before, if Nikon Axe's the D700 line with low MP count, I will be really disappointed, but if the D4 comes in and is truly a 1D X competitor, then I would hope to see used D3s prices drop under $3000k hopefully within about a year or so, and then the D3s will become my D700s
Nov 22, 2011 at 01:49 PM
p.6 #11Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
Chris Ventura wrote:
I didn't read this entire thread, but after looking at the images, doesn't it appear that the front dial is angled up quite a bit? The entire camera is pointing down, yet the front dial is angled straight at the capture camera.. it just doesn't look right. Something is off. I think this is a fake.
Well, have a look at some Canon cameras. Why must the front wheel point forwards?
http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS5D/Images/frontview.jpg
Image from Dpreview.
I didn't read this entire thread, but after looking at the images, doesn't it appear that the front dial is angled up quite a bit? The entire camera is pointing down, yet the front dial is angled straight at the capture camera.. it just doesn't look right. Something is off. I think this is a fake.
Well, have a look at some Canon cameras. Why must the front wheel point forwards?
http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS5D/Images/frontview.jpg
Image from Dpreview.
Nov 22, 2011 at 02:42 PM
p.6 #12Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
^ take it down! take it down!!!! How can you post something so unholy in the temple of Nikon!!!!
Nov 22, 2011 at 04:08 PM
p.6 #13Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
GroovyGeek wrote:
How about "nothing you cannot do today"? Want high MPx count? Buy a pano kit from RRS for a few hundred bucks and be there. D700 ISO capabilities at 3x the pixel count? Not gonna happen, just like the D3x cannot touch the D3s in the ISO department. It is going to be better than the D700 in measurable ways but people seem to be wishing for mutually exclusive things.
What a bunch of nonsense. Where to begin? First off, there's no substitute for single-frame capture, especially for landscapes that are constantly changing, or a model that can't stand there like a statue as you fiddle with your RRS pano kit in a studio. That you can think that a multi-capture solution is a functional equivalent of a high-resolution single-capture solution indicates that you aren't thinking very hard about the kinds of situations that landscape photographers or studio photographers might be confronted with.
Rather than obsess with pixel count, I am surprised by the claims that the AF system will remain unchanged and none of the Nikon 1 sensor technology will be present. This is the one area where Nikon should be able to hammer Canon on the high end, perhaps they are saving it for the D4?
Yeah, because D700 totally sucks.
Let's face it, you have no idea how well this camera will work, or even if it really exists in a form remotely resembling the current rumor. Neither do I. Instead of making stupid assumptions about how a pano kit obviates high resolution sensors, maybe it's better for all of us to wait and see what Nikon releases.
innovis wrote
The things this beast will do for my landscape shots...What a bunch of nonsense. Where to begin? First off, there's no substitute for single-frame capture, especially for landscapes that are constantly changing, or a model that can't stand there like a statue as you fiddle with your RRS pano kit in a studio. That you can think that a multi-capture solution is a functional equivalent of a high-resolution single-capture solution indicates that you aren't thinking very hard about the kinds of situations that landscape photographers or studio photographers might be confronted with.
Rather than obsess with pixel count, I am surprised by the claims that the AF system will remain unchanged and none of the Nikon 1 sensor technology will be present. This is the one area where Nikon should be able to hammer Canon on the high end, perhaps they are saving it for the D4?
Yeah, because D700 totally sucks.
Let's face it, you have no idea how well this camera will work, or even if it really exists in a form remotely resembling the current rumor. Neither do I. Instead of making stupid assumptions about how a pano kit obviates high resolution sensors, maybe it's better for all of us to wait and see what Nikon releases.
Nov 22, 2011 at 09:01 PM
p.6 #14Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
Oh! Lord Arka...forgive people with photographic sin for only taking pictures of wire fences and brick walls, which have no motional properties compare to those who take pictures of city landscape with swinging branches, cars and people moving around.
If they have known how difficult it is to stitch a couple of shots without having multiple twins and cutout branches, cars and people, they would have ask for your forgiveness and go get a wide angle lens.
Ah! I almost forget to point out that wide angle lenses produce better resolution pictures with smaller pixel size and larger pixel density. Ever look into differences of pictures taken by a 12, 24 or 39 MPixel sensor? One will notice that the leaves or branches of landscape scenes will look mushie or a patch of color on the 12 MPixel compare to that of the 24 or 39. Same with architecture scenes with far away pillars and window frames.
But, if people still enjoy their 12 MPixel cameras or their blurry Lomo lenses, so be it.
If they have known how difficult it is to stitch a couple of shots without having multiple twins and cutout branches, cars and people, they would have ask for your forgiveness and go get a wide angle lens.
Ah! I almost forget to point out that wide angle lenses produce better resolution pictures with smaller pixel size and larger pixel density. Ever look into differences of pictures taken by a 12, 24 or 39 MPixel sensor? One will notice that the leaves or branches of landscape scenes will look mushie or a patch of color on the 12 MPixel compare to that of the 24 or 39. Same with architecture scenes with far away pillars and window frames.
But, if people still enjoy their 12 MPixel cameras or their blurry Lomo lenses, so be it.
Nov 22, 2011 at 10:21 PM
p.6 #15Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
lordarka wrote:
How about "nothing you cannot do today"? Want high MPx count? Buy a pano kit from RRS for a few hundred bucks and be there. D700 ISO capabilities at 3x the pixel count? Not gonna happen, just like the D3x cannot touch the D3s in the ISO department. It is going to be better than the D700 in measurable ways but people seem to be wishing for mutually exclusive things.What a bunch of nonsense. Where to begin? First off, there's no substitute for single-frame capture, especially for landscapes that are constantly changing, or a model that can't stand there like a statue as you fiddle with your RRS pano kit in a studio. That you can think that a multi-capture solution is a functional equivalent of a high-resolution single-capture solution indicates that you aren't thinking very hard about the kinds of situations that landscape photographers or studio photographers might be confronted with.
Yeah, because D700 totally sucks.
Let's face it, you have no idea how well this camera will...Show more →
You can only do so much with the 24x36 format in a single capture, but medium format digital is bulky and there are not enough tilt lenses.
EBH
GroovyGeek wrote
innovis wrote
The things this beast will do for my landscape shots...Earlier quote
Rather than obsess with pixel count, I am surprised by the claims that the AF system will remain unchanged and none of the Nikon 1 sensor technology will be present. This is the one area where Nikon should be able to hammer Canon on the high end, perhaps they are saving it for the D4?Let's face it, you have no idea how well this camera will...Show more →
You can only do so much with the 24x36 format in a single capture, but medium format digital is bulky and there are not enough tilt lenses.
EBH
Nov 22, 2011 at 10:33 PM
p.6 #16Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
EB-1 wrote:
How about "nothing you cannot do today"? Want high MPx count? Buy a pano kit from RRS for a few hundred bucks and be there. D700 ISO capabilities at 3x the pixel count? Not gonna happen, just like the D3x cannot touch the D3s in the ISO department. It is going to be better than the D700 in measurable ways but people seem to be wishing for mutually exclusive things.What a bunch of nonsense. Where to begin? First off, there's no substitute for single-frame capture, especially for landscapes that are constantly changing, or a model that can't stand there like a statue as you fiddle with your RRS pano kit in a studio. That you can think that a multi-capture solution is a functional equivalent of a high-resolution single-capture solution indicates that you aren't thinking very hard about the kinds of situations that landscape photographers or studio photographers might be confronted with.
Yeah, because D700 totally sucks.
Let's face it, you have no idea how well this camera will work, or even if it really exists in a form remotely resembling the current rumor. Neither do I. Instead of making stupid assumptions about how a pano kit obviates high resolution sensors, maybe it's better for all of us to wait and see what Nikon releases.You can only do so much with the 24x36 format in a single capture, but medium format digital is bulky and there are not enough tilt lenses.
EBH
I'm not saying that 24x36 is a magical format for all things. The point I am making is that a multiple image stitch from a D700 with a pano kit is not the functional equivalent of a single capture from a much higher resolution camera. This is hardly uncontroversial, and anyone who has shot moving clouds, waving grass, a starry sky, or a model in a studio should be able to grasp the pros and cons of either approach.
lordarka wrote
GroovyGeek wrote
innovis wrote
The things this beast will do for my landscape shots...Earlier quote
Rather than obsess with pixel count, I am surprised by the claims that the AF system will remain unchanged and none of the Nikon 1 sensor technology will be present. This is the one area where Nikon should be able to hammer Canon on the high end, perhaps they are saving it for the D4?Let's face it, you have no idea how well this camera will work, or even if it really exists in a form remotely resembling the current rumor. Neither do I. Instead of making stupid assumptions about how a pano kit obviates high resolution sensors, maybe it's better for all of us to wait and see what Nikon releases.
EBH
I'm not saying that 24x36 is a magical format for all things. The point I am making is that a multiple image stitch from a D700 with a pano kit is not the functional equivalent of a single capture from a much higher resolution camera. This is hardly uncontroversial, and anyone who has shot moving clouds, waving grass, a starry sky, or a model in a studio should be able to grasp the pros and cons of either approach.
Nov 23, 2011 at 12:37 AM
p.6 #17Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
It is always amusing how some people get so emotionally involved in tedious point scoring arguments which revolve around personal opinion, with very little in the way of substance. When the D800 appears, we'll know what it does.
Makten wrote:
Well, have a look at some Canon cameras. Why must the front wheel point forwards?
http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS5D/Images/frontview.jpg
Image from Dpreview.
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Makten wrote:
Chris Ventura wrote
I didn't read this entire thread, but after looking at the images, doesn't it appear that the front dial is angled up quite a bit? The entire camera is pointing down, yet the front dial is angled straight at the capture camera.. it just doesn't look right. Something is off. I think this is a fake.http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS5D/Images/frontview.jpg
Image from Dpreview.
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Nov 23, 2011 at 05:07 AM
p.6 #18Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
lordarka wrote:
I'm not saying that 24x36 is a magical format for all things. The point I am making is that a multiple image stitch from a D700 with a pano kit is not the functional equivalent of a single capture from a much higher resolution camera. This is hardly uncontroversial, and anyone who has shot moving clouds, waving grass, a starry sky, or a model in a studio should be able to grasp the pros and cons of either approach.
Oops, I misunderstood the original intent.
EBH
I'm not saying that 24x36 is a magical format for all things. The point I am making is that a multiple image stitch from a D700 with a pano kit is not the functional equivalent of a single capture from a much higher resolution camera. This is hardly uncontroversial, and anyone who has shot moving clouds, waving grass, a starry sky, or a model in a studio should be able to grasp the pros and cons of either approach.
Oops, I misunderstood the original intent.
EBH
Nov 23, 2011 at 06:09 AM
p.6 #19Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
It's almost like nikon sensed the want/need for a small form-factor camera, but did not want to encroach on their SLR lens/body sales... so the compromise is a very small and for professionals useless mirrorless, AND a much smaller d700-replacement.
The question is how much smaller. I'll gladly "pay" some size-disadvantage to get fullframe, but this body is quite a bit larger than both the nex-7 and other alternatives (if it is true, that is).. so the question is how much "size" do I give up to get fullframe? Lenses is also an issue here..
The question is how much smaller. I'll gladly "pay" some size-disadvantage to get fullframe, but this body is quite a bit larger than both the nex-7 and other alternatives (if it is true, that is).. so the question is how much "size" do I give up to get fullframe? Lenses is also an issue here..
Nov 23, 2011 at 11:27 AM
p.6 #20Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
ulrikft2 wrote:
The question is how much smaller.
Perhaps you were looking for the Nikon 1 thread? Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
The rumored D800 is said to have dimensions that, according to current speculation, are supposed to be almost identical to those of the D700.
The question is how much smaller.
Perhaps you were looking for the Nikon 1 thread? Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
The rumored D800 is said to have dimensions that, according to current speculation, are supposed to be almost identical to those of the D700.
Nov 23, 2011 at 12:37 PM