p.7 #1 · Giving up 5D II for NEX? My experience in Japan
sebboh wrote:
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i'll agree that the NEX can't really match the dof of a 35/1.4 on FF, and this is really the only reason i ever think of getting a FF camera, but you can certainly get just the eyes of a small dog in focus with everything blurred to oblivion with the NEX. i don't have any similar examples as i generally prefer my noses to be a bit less blurred than that but here's two examples of what is possible with the nex's sensor: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5196028870_65910b9074_b.jpg
This looks good, what lens is that - the Rokkor proving itself yet again??
sebboh wrote:
where the NEX loses out is when you want to include more of the environment in the portrait while still having a narrow dof. i'm always tempted to get an a900 just to shoot a c/y 35/1.4 and rokkor 58/1.2 wide open for these types of shots, but i just don't think i'd use it often enough. of course medium or large format is really the way to go if that kind of shooting is your thing...
Well, if digital medium format where economically available to us common people that would be my thing .. the (applied) invention of pupil controlled laser AF would help too :-)
p.7 #2 · Giving up 5D II for NEX? My experience in Japan
briantho wrote:
Could you explain this a bit more? From my experience you can get razor thin dof with the NEX depending on the lens.
Yes you can, but you need a longer focal length, that's the point. Or you could pay ridiculous money for a fast short focal range lens (equalling the price of say 5 Canon L primes or 10+ NEX bodies or so) - and just get close.
p.7 #3 · Giving up 5D II for NEX? My experience in Japan
wfrank wrote:
Well, if digital medium format where economically available to us common people that would be my thing .. the (applied) invention of pupil controlled laser AF would help too :-)
Canon EOS 3/30/5/50E? They all had eye controlled AF. What's wrong with focusing through a ground glass by the way?
p.7 #5 · Giving up 5D II for NEX? My experience in Japan
briantho wrote:
When I say identical, I mean that the visual coverage is identical. The image looks exactly the same. Of course this means that the FF image will have less pixels than the APS-C image. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make...
And you'll end up with one larger image with poor image quality and one smaller with high image quality. What of it? You can only compare quality in a meaningful way if you make the images such that the visual elements are of the same size.
p.7 #6 · Giving up 5D II for NEX? My experience in Japan
denoir wrote:
And you'll end up with one larger image with poor image quality and one smaller with high image quality. What of it? You can only compare quality in a meaningful way if you make the images such that the visual elements are of the same size.
Do you mean that an unmodified/unresized/untouched NEX image is always of poor image quality or am I misunderstanding you again?
p.7 #11 · Giving up 5D II for NEX? My experience in Japan
denoir wrote:
What would happen if we magnified the FF image to match the crop - i.e is there an advantage to doing it optically with a crop sensor rather than in photoshop?
The answer is yes, and that's what the author of the text was talking about - if you magnify something it gets larger and you see more detail. What he didn't say is that the price is a significant drop in quality. So you do get a bit more magnification and can see more detail, but it's at the expense of a narrow field of view and that the quality of the detail is much lower.
Just to be clear, are you saying the 5Dii crop looks better than the 7D here?
I also had another question. I'm seeing some mention that the DOF of a 35/1.4 on FF DSLR is similar to medium format. On 6x6, that would be around a 60/1.8, which I haven't really seen. Is there a wide, medium format lens that fast?
p.7 #12 · Giving up 5D II for NEX? My experience in Japan
This is an interesting discussion. I have been musing of late about the idea of using a NEX 5N to replace my 5Dc for walk around and project shooting. I'm not really a wide angle shooter, 50mm (FF) is my preferred focal length and a 100mm or so for stitching. I've been working hard enough already to find a 50mm which would give me a superior wide open drawing, I found my match with the help of this board with the Takumar Super 50mm f1.4 lens which has just the right combination of rendition, dreaminess and price/size for my work. I've been doing a lot of looking around and don't see a 35mm f1.4 lens which would provide that look other than the super expensive 35mm pre-asph summilux. I've also yet to test side by side to see if even the incredible chip in that 5N can provide the same tonality and quality that I'm so blessed with on the the 5Dc.
p.7 #13 · Giving up 5D II for NEX? My experience in Japan
douglasf13 wrote:
Just to be clear, are you saying the 5Dii crop looks better than the 7D here?
No, the 7D looks a bit better. The 5DII is a 160% crop while the 7D is a 100% crop.
I also had another question. I'm seeing some mention that the DOF of a 35/1.4 on FF DSLR is similar to medium format. On 6x6, that would be around a 60/1.8, which I haven't really seen. Is there a wide, medium format lens that fast?
On 6x7 a 70mm f/2.8 lens would be the equivalent of 35 f/1.4 on 24x36:
The traditional MF kit lens is an 80 f/2.8 which is the equivalent to a 40mm f/1.4. 35mm is not far away from that which is why I suppose why people make the connection.
The traditional MF kit lens is an 80 f/2.8 which is the equivalent to a 40mm f/1.4. 35mm is not far away from that which is why I suppose why people make the connection.
Yeah, I only own 6x6, so an 80/2.8 is a little closer to a standard lens at f1.5 on FF DSLR, or f1.8 with 645, so a 35/1.4 on FF DSLR is wider and faster than what I'm used to with medium format.
p.7 #16 · Giving up 5D II for NEX? My experience in Japan
Sami Ruusunen wrote:
35mm lens on FF and 70mm lens on 6x7 gives you different fov, so even if the dof is same the image will be completely different right?
They're pretty close, but, yes, they are a little different. 70mm on 6x7 is about equivalent to 40mm on 135 DSLR.
p.7 #18 · Giving up 5D II for NEX? My experience in Japan
We know we want/need FF EVIL with short register: who's going to make it? You have to wonder if the ice has begun to melt at Caniikon with the buzz around the n7. They have to see the first to the plate is going to have us flipping somersaults. Of course they need to go from the start with a sensor that can work with the wides. Too bad Kodak, who has already produced one, is heading for catastrophe.
Its a make do world. With m9 you make due for the fact you can't count on it--and you're broke. With 5D you make due with the fact its a fat slob. With 5n you make due with the crop--and possibly ergos. With n7--we'll make due again with the crop and maybe the old colorshifts again.
p.7 #19 · Giving up 5D II for NEX? My experience in Japan
Beni wrote:
I've been doing a lot of looking around and don't see a 35mm f1.4 lens which would provide that look other than the super expensive 35mm pre-asph summilux.
Have you looked at the Voigtländer 35/1.2? Seems to be a very good lens.
i don't have any similar examples as i generally prefer my noses to be a bit less blurred than that but here's two examples of what is possible with the nex's sensor:
