RobertLynn wrote:
Hmm, I don't know what to say.
I shoot MMA in dog crap for lighting areas, and the 7D doesn't let me down. different strokes for different folks. I certainly outperform nikon d300/s shooters.
The reason I said anecdotal is because once you get to bodies with that level of performance, barring algorithmic or design errors, AF performance is far more dependent on the photographer's understanding and ability with the body than the electronics.
To make it short: When IQ and noise of an 1DX Image taken at ISO 25.600 compares well to an ISO 3.200 Image of my actual Eos 5D MK II, this new body would be my next favorite body. I do not expect such an increasment comes with the 5D MK III. And I need usable high ISO instead of MP.
RobertLynn wrote:
After working with the d7000 and the 7d I find your findings to be wrong. Also the buffer on the d7000 is crap.
I highly doubt you'll see your desired bodies from canon ( the ones you list). How many product lines would that be?
Rebel, xxd, 5 series, 3 series, 1 series, 7 series.
But Canon is also selling the cameras faster and faster. Quite a lot actually.
10 mio. Canon dSLR's sold between: 1987 and 1997 (10 years)
10 mio. Canon dSLR's sold between: 1997 and 2003 (6 years)
10 mio. Canon dSLR's sold between: 2003 and 2007 (4 years)
10 mio. Canon dSLR's sold between: 2007 and 2010 (3 years)
10 mio. Canon dSLR's sold between: 2010 and 2011 (1 year and 4 months)
When are the next 10 mio. mark hit? Probably in less than a year.
I guess that gives the money to develop and market more different models.
Of course the really good question is: "Do people really want that many choices". But it seems like some people wants more choices than they have. So who knows. Perhaps there's room for a 3 series too?
I like the look of it, looking forward to seeing what image quality it can produce.
I'm more excited about what it means for cameras I may actually buy though, given it now means that the 5D line doesnt have to be feature restricted to avoid hurting the 1Ds .
My guess is that we will see a 1v (as in film camera) type body,possibly called the 3d, possibly called 5DIII high res, low frame rate, 7D AF unit.
Thats plenty sturdy enough for pro use without the expense and weight of the larger body , and it would suit me down to the ground as well.
Been away from this thread for a couple days-- just checking in.
Surprised, and humbled, by the positive responses to my armchair analysis.
As a point of clarification: I didn't mean I thought the 5D-follow-up would necessarily be the megapixel king across all DSLR brands.What I meant was that I think within the Canon line the 5D-followup would take the resolution/IQ throne (look, I don't think Canon is going to lower the 5D-follow-up ... and even by staying at the same resolution it'll be a higher resolution camera than the 1Dx). That's all.
I just want to stress that "big pixels = better" is a fallacy. The Phase ONE IQ180 is literally the IQ king of digital sensors with the widest dynamic range and its pixels are 5.2 microns, much smaller than the 6.95 microns of the 1DX.
It's annoying and misleading that Canon is using this "big pixel" marketing strategy. Yes there are benefits to big pixels, but superior sensor technology can outstrip those benefits in a smaller pixel size.
Pixel size is only one parameter; it's also about how you read the data from the sensor and how you process it. Sony/Pentax/Nikon is ahead of Canon in this regard.
pookipichu wrote:
I just want to stress that "big pixels = better" is a fallacy. The Phase ONE IQ180 is literally the IQ king of digital sensors with the widest dynamic range and its pixels are 5.2 microns, much smaller than the 6.95 microns of the 1DX.
It's annoying and misleading that Canon is using this "big pixel" marketing strategy. Yes there are benefits to big pixels, but superior sensor technology can outstrip those benefits in a smaller pixel size.
I'm sure I saw somewhere that the D7000 beats the IQ180 for DR? It's not exactly a high ISO performer either which is where Canon is coming from I guess?...
I haven't seen any comparisons between the d7000 and the IQ180 but the pixel pitch of the d7000 is 4.73 microns which is even smaller than the IQ180. That wouldn't help the Canon argument.
jj_glos wrote:
I'm sure I saw somewhere that the D7000 beats the IQ180 for DR? It's not exactly a high ISO performer either which is where Canon is coming from I guess?...
jj_glos wrote:
I'm sure I saw somewhere that the D7000 beats the IQ180 for DR? It's not exactly a high ISO performer either which is where Canon is coming from I guess?...
and then YOU woke up
The MP choice has as much to do with hitting 12FPS as it does IQ, high ISO performance, etc. Remember that they are trying to combine a high speed 1d series and high MP/high IQ 1ds series into one camera. They also wanted to take back the "high ISO" champ status from Nikon, so what you see with the 18MP and lack of f/8 AF point are the compromises needed to get there.
FretNoMore wrote:
Well, the key word would be "now". As soon as there is a new model that camera will be the pinnacle product at that new "now" point in time.
FretNoMore wrote:
Well, the key word would be "now". As soon as there is a new model that camera will be the pinnacle product at that new "now" point in time.
That "now" doesn't actually mean "for now". It's more like it is now their flagship model. Besides, that now is actually MY word. His exact words are "It is our new flagship model, the absolute pinnacle of the EOS range."
I'm sure there will be a new flagship model, you'd just have to wait for a few more years.
The MP choice has as much to do with hitting 12FPS as it does IQ, high ISO performance, etc. Remember that they are trying to combine a high speed 1d series and high MP/high IQ 1ds series into one camera. They also wanted to take back the "high ISO" champ status from Nikon, so what you see with the 18MP and lack of f/8 AF point are the compromises needed to get there.
With this camera, Canon has attempted a goal that had always specifically been Nikon's primary goal: To make their flagship the absolutely best possible PJ camera. Canon hasn't really done that before so specifically.
That this is their flagship, representing the optimum combination of their best technology, does not mean no other camera will have salient features that surpass this one in one or two particular ways.
This may be the new ultimate camera for sports photographers .... but not for landscape photographers where resolution/megapixels matter. I think we may see the new ultimate camera for landscape photographers soon ... maybe and hopefully in a 3D form factor.
n0b0 wrote:
Hope you guys aren't expecting an ultra high MP 1DsIV because it doesn't sound like there's gonna be one.
That Canon Europe guy at 0:42 says it's their flagship model now, "The absolute pinnacle of the EOS range".
n0b0 wrote:
That "now" doesn't actually mean "for now". It's more like it is now their flagship model. Besides, that now is actually MY word. His exact words are "It is our new flagship model, the absolute pinnacle of the EOS range."
I'm sure there will be a new flagship model, you'd just have to wait for a few more years.
Unless it's actually the last pro model with "EOS" in its name, in which case it may be the actual pinnacle of the EOS line ... you heard it here first folks, in case you see that rumour on the 'net.
bobbytan wrote:
This may be the new ultimate camera for sports photographers .... but not for landscape photographers where resolution/megapixels matter. I think we may see the new ultimate camera for landscape photographers soon ... maybe and hopefully in a 3D form factor.
You'll probably get it in the form of 5D3 with 5FPS, 15 cross type AF points, still the same but improved 21MP sensor.
