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p.2 #1 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


Richard Nye wrote:
Have you tried the 1DsmkIII? That camera rocks!


No ... too similar to the 5D II, if not identical in performance; at least, that's what reviewers and other photographers report. But I've been tempted to rent one and try it out. Maybe when the economy gets better ....

- Steve



Oct 09, 2011 at 12:20 PM
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p.2 #2 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


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..... Welcome back, Steve. 1Ds2 is a fine camera, indeed. It has it's own unique IQ and it's shown here. Thanks for sharing


You're quite welcome. Thanks for commenting.
- Steve



Oct 09, 2011 at 12:21 PM
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p.2 #3 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


I think its right under 1DsMK3 and A900/D3X. Pretty amazing camera. Kinda wish I could have those 999 GBP right now. (never lend money when you will need to buy camera soon.. ehm, actually never lend money to anyone)


Oct 09, 2011 at 12:34 PM
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p.2 #4 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


Ehmm. Not intending to rock this thread, but in another thread about a 1Ds2 replacement (that I happened to start) someone wrote the 1D4 be equal or better in terms of IQ than 1Ds2. 1Ds2 and 1D4 both feature 16mp, but different sensor dimensions.
I have always loved my 1Ds2 until it broke down recently. I'm in the market for another pro body. 1D3 didn't work out (bad sample) so I'm stuck deciding between looking for a good used 1Ds2 or saving up for a 1D4. Your thread makes me long for the 1Ds2 again. Right because of the magic you mention.

So: my question here is: Does a 1D4 feature the magic of the 1Ds2? I'd value your opinions!

Ralph

@Mescalamba: according to the OP the 1Ds2 is above the cameras you list.

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Oct 09, 2011 at 06:25 PM
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p.2 #5 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


Steve,

Really like the images and your explanation on how you shot them. May I ask which lens you used and at which aperture setting?

Thanks

Ralph



Oct 09, 2011 at 06:30 PM
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p.2 #6 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


I've never owned a 1Ds series camera and most likely never will, but It's funny how I heard the same thing about the original 1Ds after the 1Ds II came out. 1Ds had that otherworldly quality (at low ISO) that no other camera could match. Then I heard the same thing about the 1Ds II after the 1Ds III came out. I guess when the 1Ds IV arrives, the 1Ds III will be that magical blend of pixel density, IQ, pop and otherworldliness, that no camera can match. Ah the good ol' days when 21MP was the sweet spot.

Maybe it's good old digic II that's responsible for the magic and these new chips can't match that look. It's a bit like vinyl vs CD, valve amps vs digital amps.






Oct 09, 2011 at 08:38 PM
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p.2 #7 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


I think a lot of it comes from people continuing to look at things at 100% on screen, at which point every generation of DSLRs seems to be getting worse and worse in terms of IQ.


Oct 09, 2011 at 08:58 PM
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With your sample images so nicely lit I'll keep the lighting info in mind from now on. I like the "bring your own bulbs" idea & can really relate to it. As for the files we get from a 1Ds2 I'd guess it's just like those who preferred a specific film for certain types of shoot. Everyone has their idea of what they think the photo should look like and anything that changes that look causes a rethink, so once you find a combination that works & delivers it's what you reach for, even in less challenging situations. All things considered it's nice to think that our (most would say) outdated 1Ds2's are still up to the task, no matter how long ago their release date was.


Oct 09, 2011 at 09:06 PM
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Sp12 wrote:
I think a lot of it comes from people continuing to look at things at 100% on screen, at which point every generation of DSLRs seems to be getting worse and worse in terms of IQ.


Well, I can see colors even without viewing 100% photos. And for that color part of things only improvement over previous generation was 1DsMK3. 5DMK2 is downgrade from 5D colors and 1DMK4 colors arent that good as 1DMK3 (not mentioning that it lost 1dB SNR at base ISO).

And APS-C? 60D lost 10 points in metamerism index over 50D .. that really isnt upgrade.

Those mpix cost something. In case of Canon, usually SNR and colors. Im curious how will 1DsMK4 perform, considering it should replace both 1DMK4 and 1DsMK3.



Oct 09, 2011 at 09:50 PM
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Is there an online metamerism index available? Only remotely close stats I'm aware of are from Dxomark, and only then on the 24MP Sony sensor.


Oct 09, 2011 at 10:10 PM
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p.2 #11 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


rabbitmountain wrote:
Steve, Really like the images and your explanation on how you shot them. May I ask which lens you used and at which aperture setting? Thanks
Ralph


Thanks Ralph. My standard lens for this type of work is the 16--35 Mark 1. I prefer it over the Mark II because it performs better in the range I use it in most: 24mm to 35mm. The Mark II is better at extreme wide angle. My aperture varies between f/13 and f/16.

- Steve



Oct 09, 2011 at 10:26 PM
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I was in the market for a 1Ds Mark III - any huge difference between the II vs. III ?

I know 16 vs. 21mp, but otherwise anything else? I'm mostly looking to get rid of my 5D Mark II due to the outer AF points missing shots a lot.

The Mark III is very hard to find right now... Should I save the dough and just get the 1Ds Mark II instead?



Oct 09, 2011 at 10:37 PM
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p.2 #13 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


m.shalaby wrote:
I was in the market for a 1Ds Mark III - any huge difference between the II vs. III ?

I know 16 vs. 21mp, but otherwise anything else? I'm mostly looking to get rid of my 5D Mark II due to the outer AF points missing shots a lot.

The Mark III is very hard to find right now... Should I save the dough and just get the 1Ds Mark II instead?


When I got the 1Ds3 when it was released, I was not in love. It felt like the biggest ripoff ever. The difference between 1Ds to 1Ds2 was huge; from 1Ds2 to 1Ds3 was marginal, and I said so often, loudly (as I tend to do ).

Then I shot a few tens of thousands of frames with the 1Ds3. And then at a wedding I was handed my old 1Ds2 "to try". And then it hit me:

- Speed. "The speed with which the machine goes about doing its work", not meaning frame rate.

- Live view. Yes I know we grew up without it. It's like radar cruise control: once you've had it, you won't give it up.

- Battery life: 3500 shots on one charge. That's 96GB in raw+JPG. I can go on a 2 week vacation with just one spare battery and no charger. Ironically somehow I accumulated 3 spare batteries...

- AF. Yes there was the 1D3 fiasco that the 1Ds3 was equally affected by. There was the official recall where the center point and the outer points were out of alignment, and both my 1Ds3 bodies were affected by it. But at the end of the day, the 1Ds3 AF is far more accurate and fast, esp. in low light.

- User interface. Except for one or two things that I consider a step backwards, the UI of the 1Ds3 is far more intuitive than that of the 1Ds2.

- I like the images better, regardless of what's been said (this based on about 500,000 1Ds3 frames). I can do more with them, and more easily, than with the 1Ds2. I think they have more "pop". Actually I think the 1Ds2 had the least "pop" of all the Ss; the 1Ds had to be worked really, really hard but the results were mind boggling. The 1Ds2 made it easier, but it never blew me away. The 1Ds3 reaches the same level of pop to me as the 1Ds, except without the sweat.

One more thing: I keep my lenses current as much as possible. That has a lot to do with the final image quality, sharpness, and "pop". For example, on the 1Ds I had the 16-35, 24L, and 70-200LIS. I had the same lenses on the 1Ds2, and the camera lost some magic. And again on the 1Ds3. Then the 16-35L2, 24L2 and 70-200LIS2 came out. These images have the same pop, if not more, than the 1Ds did with its "current" lenses. I guess what I'm trying to say is that when people compare bodies between generations, they should always use the newest lenses from the same generation. My prime frustration is the 24-70, which was great on the 1Ds, meh on the 1Ds2, and pretty crappy on the 1Ds3. Take that with the usual grain of salt for my bitter statements, but there's a lot of truth to that. That's why I am certain that whatever the next body will be, it will come with a new 24-70 simply because the current one would look like a complete joke.


Again, to each their own. To me, 1Ds3



Oct 09, 2011 at 10:53 PM
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p.2 #14 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


Sp12 wrote:
Is there an online metamerism index available? Only remotely close stats I'm aware of are from Dxomark, and only then on the 24MP Sony sensor.


They have stats for each camera.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Canon/EOS-5D-Mark-II

Measurements/Color response

You can switch between CIE-D50 and CIE-A on left side up. First is daylight simulation, second is artificial light.

This settings is visible only when you click on camera name in list, not when comparing.



Oct 10, 2011 at 08:11 AM
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p.2 #15 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


Steve -- Those are some wonderful interior photos. I'm really impressed that you bring your own bulbs to replace the household bulbs. Nice attention to detail.

A couple more questions about your gear: What brand/size white umbrellas are you shooting through? What umbrella/flash holder are you mounting on the light stands? I'm looking for a better, more compact set-up than taking Norman 800 with two heads, plus my on-camera bounce 580EX, for hotel rooms, etc.

Stan -- I pretty much agree with you after having used the 1Ds3 recently. But the 1Ds2 was the first body that really produced images the way I wanted them to look, and not just in sharpness. Once I got that, the 5D was pushed to the back of my options. I can't afford the 1Ds3 right now, but the images were superb, and I think a considerable step up from the 1Ds2. I'd like better interface, video, and of course more MP, so waiting for 1Ds4, or 1Ds3 prices to come down after it is unveiled. All things considered, the 1Ds2 is an amazing value in quality imaging.



Oct 10, 2011 at 09:41 AM
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veroman wrote:
Thanks Ralph. My standard lens for this type of work is the 16--35 Mark 1. I prefer it over the Mark II because it performs better in the range I use it in most: 24mm to 35mm. The Mark II is better at extreme wide angle. My aperture varies between f/13 and f/16.

- Steve

Hi Steve, I didn't know that. I have the 16-35mkII. Used it mainly for landscapes on the wide end and it's a very good copy. Your images are very sharp and contrasty, I wouldn't have guessed you used such a small aperture. Thanks a lot for sharing!

Ralph



Oct 10, 2011 at 10:22 AM
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Gunzorro wrote:
Stan -- I pretty much agree with you after having used the 1Ds3 recently. But the 1Ds2 was the first body that really produced images the way I wanted them to look, and not just in sharpness. Once I got that, the 5D was pushed to the back of my options.

Guys, there's something I don't quite grasp. A lot of folks agree that a 1Ds3 > 1Ds2 (even if by a margin for some). And all folks agree that a 1Ds2 > 5D2. Then surely the 1Ds3 should be a lot better than the 5D2. Still they share the same sensor.



Oct 10, 2011 at 10:41 AM
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The 1DSII is something that I certainly admire as a body, but there's also something to be said for the photographer as well. These are some of the finest interior shots I have ever seen, with great comp and excellent lighting as well. It's easy to admire the quality of the files when the images they became were done so well. Nice work!


Oct 10, 2011 at 11:14 AM
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p.2 #19 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


Matt Philbin wrote:
The 1DSII is something that I certainly admire as a body, but there's also something to be said for the photographer as well. These are some of the finest interior shots I have ever seen, with great comp and excellent lighting as well. It's easy to admire the quality of the files when the images they became were done so well. Nice work!


Thank you. Very much appreciated.
- Steve



Oct 10, 2011 at 11:19 AM
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p.2 #20 · The magic of the 1Ds Mark II ....


Ralph -- I haven't used the 5D2, but I expect it is superior to the 1Ds2. At least, I think I would find it so. If given the choice between the two, I'd take the 5D2, as I suspect most people would -- which is why we have so many used 1Ds2 to choose from. My choice was between a used 1Ds2 for $1600, or a new 5D2 for $2500, so I went with the 1Ds2 and love it. Doesn't mean I wouldn't love the more advanced technology of the 5D2 more -- I know I love the 1Ds3 more!


Oct 10, 2011 at 11:24 AM
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