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p.9 #1 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


Great stuff, Ben! I am glad you finally got your hands on one of these. I am anxious to see more of your work with it!
Tracey



Sep 09, 2011 at 11:23 PM
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p.9 #2 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


Curse you Ben and a plague upon this thread! Great work and now I need to figure out how to get one. I just picked up a little 35 F2 AF that I am loving but that 35 1.4 looks real real nice.

It is real nice to see this lens in the hands of photographer who's work I know. Also real nice to compare to your other work on your Smug. Thanks for putting these up!

Quick question - Do you use a Katz? I was thinking of giving one a try. Not the most fun to focus real fast glass with a VF that wont allow me to see the real DOF and I don't like LV..



Sep 09, 2011 at 11:46 PM
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p.9 #3 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


pdx_B-Rad wrote:
Curse you Ben and a plague upon this thread! Great work and now I need to figure out how to get one. I just picked up a little 35 F2 AF that I am loving but that 35 1.4 looks real real nice.

It is real nice to see this lens in the hands of photographer who's work I know. Also real nice to compare to your other work on your Smug. Thanks for putting these up!

Quick question - Do you use a Katz? I was thinking of giving one a try. Not the most fun to focus real fast glass
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Nope... I've never really had a problem with the default D700 screen, even with the 50/1.2, so I've never bothered.



Sep 10, 2011 at 12:10 AM
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p.9 #4 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


I've been trying it out as a portrait lens lately. When I nail focus the lens is uber sharp. These two were taken at Catalina Island with a Sony a900






Sep 10, 2011 at 02:58 AM
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p.9 #5 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


Romain wrote:

I finally found the time to do so

here it is:
http://romain.clercq.roques.free.fr/Temp/35mm/full%20view.jpg


center crops

zone B crops

extreme corners crops

I've only shown the results for one corner but the other corners show similar behavior.
Also, I forgot to do the f/2 shot for the contax lens, sorry.


Pretty amazing, thanks for posting. Just saw a (mint) Contax Zeiss on ebay change hands for >1100€. No need to look in that direction anymore



Sep 10, 2011 at 01:25 PM
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p.9 #6 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


Tariq Gibran wrote:
Regarding the Rokinon/ Samyang Bokeh, it's highly dependent upon distance and, of course aperture. That's why I had asked about different F-stops. Ideally, various distances would also be used. Since I have not used the newer Zeiss 35 1.4, I have no idea if the bokeh rendering might also behave poorly at certain distance/ aperture combo's. Many lenses do have such a sweet spot.

Wayne, the medium to long distance landscape comparison is where I suspect you may find the Zeiss 35 1.4's lacking when looking at corner to corner performance.


Very true, particularly when you're talking about fast wides. But arguing about the bokeh between the Rok and either of the Zeisses seems like splitting hairs. Acceptable, but I don't think any of them give results that are actually strong selling points of the lenses (I don't understand Zeiss' pride in their bokeh).

And I would say true about the landscapes with the C/Ys, but not the ZF.



Sep 10, 2011 at 02:58 PM
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freaklikeme wrote:
Very true, particularly when you're talking about fast wides. But arguing about the bokeh between the Rok and either of the Zeisses seems like splitting hairs. Acceptable, but I don't think any of them give results that are actually strong selling points of the lenses (I don't understand Zeiss' pride in their bokeh).

And I would say true about the landscapes with the C/Ys, but not the ZF.


Brad, have you tried the new ZE 35/1.4? The undercorrected SA design of that lens produces a smooth bokeh with slow focus transition. It's bokeh is one of the main selling points for that lens(think beauty portraits, like Softar) and it's bokeh is better than any 35 out there IMHO, better than Nikon 35G/1.4,Samy/Rok 35/1.4, C/Y 35/1.4, ZE 35/2.
I would also say that Zeiss is capable of making lenses with nice smooth, non-nervous bokeh like the Contax N 85/1.4, ZA 135/1.8, ZA 85.1.4, and now ZE 35/1.4.I would argue that the bokeh and drawing characteristics of these 35's have a bigger difference than their f8 distant landscape sharpness performance.

@Tariq, Lloyd C. did his standard Stanford Univ church sharpness comparison shots between Z* 35/2 and Z* 35/1.4, Nikon 35G/1.4 which is at infinity distance.
There was also a med long distance forest comparison shot between ZE 35/1.4,35/2 and 35/1.4L.The Z* 35's are similar in sharpness at f8 except for the field curvature of the 35/1.4. And except for Photozone comparison test numbers, there is nothing showing the Samy/Rok corners being better than the Z* 35/2 or 35/1.4, especially stopped down. Hopefully someone will post comparison shots which prove or disprove this. Also, like to see comparison shots which show the Samy/Rok 35 having the same or more Zeiss micro-contrast and color than the two Z* 35's. I don't see that in any Rok shots posted so far. I also don't see the same level of 3-d that the C/Y 35/1.4 produces.






Sep 10, 2011 at 06:23 PM
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p.9 #8 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


A few more shots:

http://deadwolfbones.smugmug.com/Other/Vivitar-35-14-First-Shots/i-zXVC73J/0/XL/DSC0937-XL.jpg


http://deadwolfbones.smugmug.com/Other/Vivitar-35-14-First-Shots/i-g82MhxB/0/XL/DSC0942-XL.jpg


http://deadwolfbones.smugmug.com/Other/Vivitar-35-14-First-Shots/i-J5HN2CK/0/XL/DSC0943-XL.jpg


http://deadwolfbones.smugmug.com/Other/Vivitar-35-14-First-Shots/i-vdD66mZ/0/XL/DSC0945-XL.jpg


http://deadwolfbones.smugmug.com/Other/Vivitar-35-14-First-Shots/i-Vzkjwnv/0/XL/DSC0956-XL.jpg

(f/2)

http://deadwolfbones.smugmug.com/Other/Vivitar-35-14-First-Shots/i-QXr3vCm/0/XL/DSC0959-XL.jpg

(f/2.2)

Bokeh is pretty nice near MFD, IMO.



Sep 10, 2011 at 08:40 PM
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p.9 #9 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


wayne seltzer wrote:
@Tariq, Lloyd C. did his standard Stanford Univ church sharpness comparison shots between Z* 35/2 and Z* 35/1.4, Nikon 35G/1.4 which is at infinity distance.
There was also a med long distance forest comparison shot between ZE 35/1.4,35/2 and 35/1.4L.The Z* 35's are similar in sharpness at f8 except for the field curvature of the 35/1.4.



The mosaic tile test does not appear to be that far, maybe 100 ft. Lloyd states the distance as being "effectively infinity". I'm not saying it's not a useful test at all. It just fails to provide the sort of information that his longer distance landscape shots generally do, which was particularly helpful with the Z 35 F2. I see no long distance shots such as those in his test of the Z 35 1.4.
If you are referring to the "Storm-Swollen Creek" comparison as being medium long distance, that shot is even closer than the mosaic test, particularly where all four corners of the image are concerned. Nothing to learn from that shot as far as long distance landscapes are concerned either imho. I feel like he's missing a few distance shots to really give a clearer idea of what to expect from the 35 1.4 in those type of shooting situations. Odd that he would leave such examples out.



Sep 10, 2011 at 09:27 PM
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p.9 #10 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


wayne seltzer wrote:
Brad, have you tried the new ZE 35/1.4? The undercorrected SA design of that lens produces a smooth bokeh with slow focus transition. It's bokeh is one of the main selling points for that lens(think beauty portraits, like Softar) and it's bokeh is better than any 35 out there IMHO, better than Nikon 35G/1.4,Samy/Rok 35/1.4, C/Y 35/1.4, ZE 35/2.
I would also say that Zeiss is capable of making lenses with nice smooth, non-nervous bokeh like the Contax N 85/1.4, ZA 135/1.8, ZA 85.1.4, and now ZE 35/1.4.I would argue that the bokeh and drawing characteristics of these 35's have
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Hey, Wayne. I shot the ZF.2 on loan and loved it. And yes, I agree, the bokeh is at its best in evenly lit, lower contrast scenarios like beauty portraits. Take it outside, though, give it strong shadows and highlights, and the lens is too high contrast to produce anything that neutral. I'm not saying that's a downside of the lens anymore than I'm saying Zeiss is incapable of producing good bok, but it is situational. And I don't think, even at its best, it's so much better than any of the lenses you listed (35G excepted as I haven't shot it or researched it) that it's worth advertising. I guess it's possible that I'm not seeing it because I'm biased to the AIS and 'Lux in this regard, but I am trying to be objective.

I do think there's a valid argument to be made in comparing the ZF/ZE performance to the Rok on medium to long landscapes @ f/8 because the overall differences between the lenses becomes that much more evident. Aside from the fact that you're more likely to encounter a situation where flare can be a problem, something the Rok doesn't handle as well, if you nail everything about your exposure in the camera, you'll barely even have to touch the ZF/ZE image in post. They have a clarity and presence that is distinctly Zeiss. It's not that you can't alter the images, there's just no need because the output alone is very attractive. While the Rok mostly keeps up technically, it takes more work in post to achieve that same level of presence. And I'm not talking about duplicating the draw, but rather reaching the point of visual sublimation (it's not incorrect usage, I'm repurposing the word), where the viewer no longer sees a photograph but rather puts themselves in the scene.



Sep 11, 2011 at 12:37 AM
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p.9 #11 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


@freaklikeme: perhaps "visual brilliance" is a better term.


Sep 11, 2011 at 12:50 AM
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Agreed, Aham. We'll go with visual brilliance.


Sep 11, 2011 at 12:53 AM
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wfrank wrote:
Pretty amazing, thanks for posting. Just saw a (mint) Contax Zeiss on ebay change hands for >1100€. No need to look in that direction anymore


+1

The Samyang does amazingly well. About to order one now.



Sep 13, 2011 at 12:36 AM
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p.9 #14 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


anyone have more shots from this lens yet? I still haven't committed myself to buying it yet, but I'm sooooo close. Looks like a great lens!


Sep 20, 2011 at 08:13 PM
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p.9 #15 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


I have some test photos -- of no artistic value, but you can judge the performance to
a degree. These were all taken handheld. I think the f/8 performance would appear
a bit better if the camera were tripod mounted.
I'm going off memory on the aperture values, since there is no EXIF data:


These are 5DII raw files:
f/1.4 or f/2
http://www.mediafire.com/file/595qo9gnc8n3m12/IMG_2734.CR2

f/1.4 or f/2
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ulyzzlg2twg5ssl/IMG_2741.CR2

same scene, but f/8
http://www.mediafire.com/file/52saw4l2g2sz9a6/IMG_2742.CR2


Some things I notice:
Sharpness is quite even across the frame. Corner performance is very respectable.
Center sharpness at wide open is quite close to that of f/8.
I think they decided to give up some distortion performance to achieve good
sharpness across the frame.

Contrast and color saturation are less strong than typical Canon lenses show.
I feel the same about the Rokinon 85/1.4 as well.

There is significant barrel distortion, evident in architecture shooting.

The lens never gets crazy sharp, like, for example, the Sigma 30/1.4 does in the center.
But it's still quite good.

It's hard to fault the lens in any significant way. But if you are looking for a lens
that does one thing very, very well then the thing you would notice about it
is the edge to edge sharpness, even at large aperture.

You won't mistake this lens for something like a Zeiss ZE 35/2, with really popping
performance in the center. And you will find f/1.4 tough to manually focus,
but seriously, this is still a high performance lens, and the price is very reasonable.

One more thing:
The mechanical feel of the lens is outstanding. The focus ring is more refined than
that of the Rokinon 85/1.4 and the hood design is better as well. It feels great
to use. But again, it's no picnic to nail the focus at f/1.4



Sep 21, 2011 at 02:11 AM
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p.9 #16 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


trumpet_guy wrote:
Contrast and color saturation are less strong than typical Canon lenses show.
I feel the same about the Rokinon 85/1.4 as well.



Interesting. I found the exact opposite with my sample with the Rok 35 1.4 showing dramatically more contrast and color saturation than the Rok 85 1.4. The contrast and color are actually greater than my old CY 28 2.8 - which I recently shot side by side to test - and about equal to the well regarded Minolta AF 35 F2 which I show in an earlier test. I wonder how much sample variation there might be with this lens.



Sep 21, 2011 at 06:24 AM
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p.9 #17 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


Samyang 35/1.4 + 5d mark II

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/318782_2232179816986_1622614888_2137177_1998746033_n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/255114_1918949306419_1622614888_1829670_770640_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314971_2232367781685_1622614888_2137265_2057586583_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/231108_1896427503388_1622614888_1798376_3440334_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226789_1896426703368_1622614888_1798371_6808234_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/223159_2117133220893_1622614888_2012887_4406605_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/254611_2117278144516_1622614888_2013007_5181205_n.jpg





Sep 21, 2011 at 06:36 AM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
Interesting. I found the exact opposite with my sample with the Rok 35 1.4 showing dramatically more contrast and color saturation than the Rok 85 1.4. The contrast and color are actually greater than my old CY 28 2.8 - which I recently shot side by side to test - and about equal to the well regarded Minolta AF 35 F2 which I show in an earlier test. I wonder how much sample variation there might be with this lens.


I have limited experience with the 35, but the 85 definitely gives me muted color
performance. I expect that coating technology is one area where each manufacturer
gets its distinct color signature, as it were.



Sep 21, 2011 at 10:56 AM
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meriirem wrote:
Samyang 35/1.4 + 5d mark II

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/318782_2232179816986_1622614888_2137177_1998746033_n.jpg
h.ttp://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/255114_1918949306419_1622614888_1829670_770640_n.jpg
h.ttp://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314971_2232367781685_1622614888_2137265_2057586583_n.jpg
h.ttp://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/231108_1896427503388_1622614888_1798376_3440334_n.jpg
h.ttp://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226789_1896426703368_1622614888_1798371_6808234_n.jpg
h.ttp://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/223159_2117133220893_1622614888_2012887_4406605_n.jpg
h.ttp://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/254611_2117278144516_1622614888_2013007_5181205_n.jpg



great photos, I really like the first one



Sep 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM
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p.9 #20 · Rokinon/Samyang 35/1.4 Picture Thread


trumpet_guy wrote:
I have limited experience with the 35, but the 85 definitely gives me muted color
performance. I expect that coating technology is one area where each manufacturer
gets its distinct color signature, as it were.


I had the Rok 85 and completely agree about it's muted color and soft contrast. My Rok 35 behaves entirely differently.



Sep 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM
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