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p.34 #1Pano-mania
Okay, I'll weigh in, and do a touch of clarifying/lobbying.
I agree with obik, that the "gear issue" is a non-issue (from day one, and certainly at this point after ten months) and should not be brought up. Doing so only serves to derail the collegial atmosphere of sharing experiences on the topic of panoramic (and composite) photos.
From a practical standpoint, regardless of any forum rules, there are certain broad subjects of interest and participation which not only enrich the technical and aesthetic involvement of the membership, but also help to push past artificial limits and one-up-manship of brand superiority. "Pano-mania" and "Twilight/Night" are two such areas of broad appeal (authored by myself).
Of course we can be pedantic and stick strictly to the rules, in which case we would find a tiny thread buried in Landscape or some other forum, titled "Leica 50mm panoramas" with one or two contributing photographers, before it dissolves into the quicksand of older forum threads.
Regarding these two broad subject threads (and any others extant or possible): where better to feature such an aggregate and wealth of gear, predominantly Alt, and certainly used in Alt methods of producing images in a non-conventional way? The Alt forum is where such a collection of knowledge and imagery belongs. I'm sorry if it tweaks anyone the wrong way, but the greater good must be considered so long as it doesn't impede the orderly exchange of information on other Alt threads.
I certainly understand the general history of the Alt forum -- independent freedom fighters seeking refuge from the noxious nattering Canikon conglomerate. I'm sure in its founding bylaws there is notation regarding any contamination of the forum by Canikon involvement. I try to respect and embrace those guidelines and history, but over time a larger and more involved community seems to have flowered here, with a greater interest in sharing uncommon experiences and techniques.
I simply hope we can all continue to share these wonderful images and show the tremendous ingenuity and planning that go into such efforts. Continued sniping over the definition of "Alt" only leads to a breakdown of our cooperative sharing and hard feelings spill over onto other threads.
BTW -- What is more Alt than a Tilt/Shift lens, unless it is an anamorphic lens?
Let the grand images resume!
I agree with obik, that the "gear issue" is a non-issue (from day one, and certainly at this point after ten months) and should not be brought up. Doing so only serves to derail the collegial atmosphere of sharing experiences on the topic of panoramic (and composite) photos.
From a practical standpoint, regardless of any forum rules, there are certain broad subjects of interest and participation which not only enrich the technical and aesthetic involvement of the membership, but also help to push past artificial limits and one-up-manship of brand superiority. "Pano-mania" and "Twilight/Night" are two such areas of broad appeal (authored by myself).
Of course we can be pedantic and stick strictly to the rules, in which case we would find a tiny thread buried in Landscape or some other forum, titled "Leica 50mm panoramas" with one or two contributing photographers, before it dissolves into the quicksand of older forum threads.
Regarding these two broad subject threads (and any others extant or possible): where better to feature such an aggregate and wealth of gear, predominantly Alt, and certainly used in Alt methods of producing images in a non-conventional way? The Alt forum is where such a collection of knowledge and imagery belongs. I'm sorry if it tweaks anyone the wrong way, but the greater good must be considered so long as it doesn't impede the orderly exchange of information on other Alt threads.
I certainly understand the general history of the Alt forum -- independent freedom fighters seeking refuge from the noxious nattering Canikon conglomerate. I'm sure in its founding bylaws there is notation regarding any contamination of the forum by Canikon involvement. I try to respect and embrace those guidelines and history, but over time a larger and more involved community seems to have flowered here, with a greater interest in sharing uncommon experiences and techniques.
I simply hope we can all continue to share these wonderful images and show the tremendous ingenuity and planning that go into such efforts. Continued sniping over the definition of "Alt" only leads to a breakdown of our cooperative sharing and hard feelings spill over onto other threads.
BTW -- What is more Alt than a Tilt/Shift lens, unless it is an anamorphic lens?
Let the grand images resume!
Apr 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM
p.34 #2Pano-mania
a couple more small bokeh panos with the c/y 35/1.4 wide open:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/7062201749_f092a4426b_o.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/7062201303_239ef356ff_o.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/7062201749_f092a4426b_o.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/7062201303_239ef356ff_o.jpg
Apr 11, 2012 at 12:55 PM
p.34 #3Pano-mania
carstenw wrote:
You make two separate points here.
The discussion as to what lenses are alt has come up a few times, and I don't recall any fundamental disagreement with calling lenses alt which are either not Canon or Nikon, or not modern AF lenses. This is IMO the best way to resolve this issue since otherwise AI-S lenses, for example, would be alt on Canon but not on Nikon. It is almost as if Nikon was punished for remaining backwards compatible rather than shafting their user base like Canon did, a ridiculous situation at best. The line was drawn at AF, AF-D...Show more →
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Carsten, well said, I agree to the letter. When Alt forum is no longer Alt but the slippery slope of just casually mixing in non Alt with Alt and then all of a sudden non Alt threads like "which Canon AF zoom should I choose for my 5DmkIII " start to pop up.
The Alt Forum may seem limited to some that think they should selfishly allow for non Alt postings for _their_convenience failing to recognize that the Alt Forum is limited for a reason.
The reason is not eliticism, not snobbery - it is a forum where people can discuss and post threads on Alt gear and know they don't have to sift through an awful amount of threads that are not relevant to their "limited" interest.
I know I will, again, catch flak for standing my ground on this, but I am just a stickler for forum policies as I think they serve their purpose.
Edited on Apr 11, 2012 at 01:48 PM · View previous versions
RustyBug wrote
Okay ... but I still don't get what was so compelling to state that it wasn't alt, as the poster was clear as to which lens he used, non-alt as it may / may not be. (I'm assuming you were referring to the Nikon 24-70) ... but when someone uses a Nikon 105/2.5 AIS or 28/2.8 AIS or 24/2.0 AIS, they get heralded as "alt" ... yet are still Nikon brand?The discussion as to what lenses are alt has come up a few times, and I don't recall any fundamental disagreement with calling lenses alt which are either not Canon or Nikon, or not modern AF lenses. This is IMO the best way to resolve this issue since otherwise AI-S lenses, for example, would be alt on Canon but not on Nikon. It is almost as if Nikon was punished for remaining backwards compatible rather than shafting their user base like Canon did, a ridiculous situation at best. The line was drawn at AF, AF-D...Show more →
Earlier quote
Conventionally, one would use a wider angle lens to get the AOV of a pano. Unconventionally, one uses a lens of a more narrow focal length, takes multiple images and stitches them together ... as an alternative (read as "unconventional") lens solution, regardless of brand. I don't see how that is violation of the rules of the forum ... at least not to the degree it requires a callout ... particularly in this thread.+1
Carsten, well said, I agree to the letter. When Alt forum is no longer Alt but the slippery slope of just casually mixing in non Alt with Alt and then all of a sudden non Alt threads like "which Canon AF zoom should I choose for my 5DmkIII " start to pop up.
The Alt Forum may seem limited to some that think they should selfishly allow for non Alt postings for _their_convenience failing to recognize that the Alt Forum is limited for a reason.
The reason is not eliticism, not snobbery - it is a forum where people can discuss and post threads on Alt gear and know they don't have to sift through an awful amount of threads that are not relevant to their "limited" interest.
I know I will, again, catch flak for standing my ground on this, but I am just a stickler for forum policies as I think they serve their purpose.
Edited on Apr 11, 2012 at 01:48 PM · View previous versions
Apr 11, 2012 at 01:40 PM
p.34 #4Pano-mania
Thanks for letting be not be so alone in preferring to keep the alt forum alt only, as much as possible. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who felt that way.
Apr 11, 2012 at 01:48 PM
p.34 #5Pano-mania
Carsten; edited my post.
I think many people are too polite to voice their concerns, last time this was brought up I did get a lot of "silent support" through PM from people that were concerned like us but did not dare to speak out in the threads as they felt they were intimidated by some posters and thought it best to remain silent.
LAST EDIT:
I love digging around posts of images of every conceivable type, taken with true Alt lenses as I love these lenses, vintage and adapted, new and old. But alt, and I find much joy in seeing images taken with these and hearing conversion stories and seeing how people do it.
Mixing it up makes it just another bland image forum.
I think many people are too polite to voice their concerns, last time this was brought up I did get a lot of "silent support" through PM from people that were concerned like us but did not dare to speak out in the threads as they felt they were intimidated by some posters and thought it best to remain silent.
LAST EDIT:
I love digging around posts of images of every conceivable type, taken with true Alt lenses as I love these lenses, vintage and adapted, new and old. But alt, and I find much joy in seeing images taken with these and hearing conversion stories and seeing how people do it.
Mixing it up makes it just another bland image forum.
Apr 11, 2012 at 01:54 PM
p.34 #7Pano-mania
carstenw wrote:
Thanks for letting be not be so alone in preferring to keep the alt forum alt only, as much as possible. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who felt that way.
I agree with you, but the problem is always in the details. Where's the line between alt and non-alt. Most of us post photos made with a Canon or Nikon camera (although m4/3 and NEX are getting more and more popular these days), which is actually not alt unless you're using an alternative brand lens it is alt. But an EF tilt-shift on a Canon is also considered by most as alt (or am I wrong?). It's hard to draw a line and most of us don't really bother about this, so the line is getting more and more twisted over time.
Back to some great panoramas shot by Sebboh: very nice depth, although the DoF doesn't seem really small.
Thanks for letting be not be so alone in preferring to keep the alt forum alt only, as much as possible. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who felt that way.
I agree with you, but the problem is always in the details. Where's the line between alt and non-alt. Most of us post photos made with a Canon or Nikon camera (although m4/3 and NEX are getting more and more popular these days), which is actually not alt unless you're using an alternative brand lens it is alt. But an EF tilt-shift on a Canon is also considered by most as alt (or am I wrong?). It's hard to draw a line and most of us don't really bother about this, so the line is getting more and more twisted over time.
Back to some great panoramas shot by Sebboh: very nice depth, although the DoF doesn't seem really small.
Apr 11, 2012 at 02:12 PM
p.34 #8Pano-mania
U.C. wrote:
Back to some great panoramas shot by Sebboh: very nice depth, although the DoF doesn't seem really small.
thanks, wasn't going for ultra narrow dof so much as depth and smooth transitions. downsizing makes the apparent dof greater as well.
Back to some great panoramas shot by Sebboh: very nice depth, although the DoF doesn't seem really small.
thanks, wasn't going for ultra narrow dof so much as depth and smooth transitions. downsizing makes the apparent dof greater as well.
Apr 11, 2012 at 02:23 PM
p.34 #9Pano-mania
I am with Gunzorro at this. How alt is Leica with a Leitz lens?
Great shots on previous page sebboh!
Great shots on previous page sebboh!
Apr 11, 2012 at 02:42 PM
p.34 #10Pano-mania
because fm does not have a leica section. it is alt on fm.
Apr 11, 2012 at 02:52 PM
p.34 #11Pano-mania
So where does that put a NEX image taken with a Canon EF lens, alt enough? I get UC's point that there is no sharp line.
Apr 11, 2012 at 03:01 PM
p.34 #12Pano-mania
Alt. According to the original rules, anything which is not Canon-on-Canon or Nikon-on-Nikon is alt. This is because these two combinations already have their own forums. AI or AI-S on Nikon squeaks through because this is not a popular combination over in the NoN forum, and can barely keep one thread alive.
Anyway, the feeling, the photos, the mindsets, everything is quite different between CoC and NoN people and the alt people who hang around here. Here we have people who came from CoC or NoN and felt there was something missing. They start experimenting and trying things, and have long discussions about esoteric topics which over in the mainstream fora will just get you weird looks.
Anyway, the feeling, the photos, the mindsets, everything is quite different between CoC and NoN people and the alt people who hang around here. Here we have people who came from CoC or NoN and felt there was something missing. They start experimenting and trying things, and have long discussions about esoteric topics which over in the mainstream fora will just get you weird looks.
Apr 11, 2012 at 03:18 PM
p.34 #13Pano-mania
Smridevan: I put a RRS omni pivot on a superclamp
U.C.: Since it was taken during the national anthem, movement was minimal and ghosting was pretty manageable using PTGUI's masking tool. Exposure merging for light falloff proved to be the most challenging.
U.C.: Since it was taken during the national anthem, movement was minimal and ghosting was pretty manageable using PTGUI's masking tool. Exposure merging for light falloff proved to be the most challenging.
Apr 11, 2012 at 06:42 PM
p.34 #14Pano-mania
Alt or not alt, I do just like me some purdy pictures
Here are some mittens with the Zeiss 100 ZF.2
Here are some mittens with the Zeiss 100 ZF.2
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Apr 11, 2012 at 07:11 PM
p.34 #15Pano-mania
You know, it's funny: I don't catch any crap when I post in the Canon forum using Nikon, Zeiss, Leica, Samyang, or other non-Canon lens. I could post Alt images there all day as long as there were some element of Canon involved -- same for Nikon. That should be against forum laws too, don't you think?
It's a nice dream that Alt has been separated from Canikon, but the reality is the majority of bodies in Alt are from these two manufacturers.
Yes, more pretty pictures, please.
It's a nice dream that Alt has been separated from Canikon, but the reality is the majority of bodies in Alt are from these two manufacturers.
Yes, more pretty pictures, please.
Apr 12, 2012 at 12:18 AM
p.34 #16Pano-mania
Here's one from my latest Alt acquisition, the Leica R 28-70/3/5-4.5. 16-shots vertical at 40mm, on 5D2, f/8, ISO 100.
It's a little large, but hopefully the magnifying glass will come into play so people can see some details. (Yay! it did!)
Dry wash, one day after rain storm. Near Angeles Shooting Ranges, San Fernando, California.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/gunzorro/WashPanorama1-2-2.jpg
It's a little large, but hopefully the magnifying glass will come into play so people can see some details. (Yay! it did!)
Dry wash, one day after rain storm. Near Angeles Shooting Ranges, San Fernando, California.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/gunzorro/WashPanorama1-2-2.jpg
Apr 15, 2012 at 08:38 AM
p.34 #17Pano-mania
Nothing artistically awesome about this shot, but I must say the A77 does pretty well in this situation. This is nearly 180 degrees, tight quarters, shot with 16-50 lens. Too bad I couldn't control aperture (using the auto-pano mode of camera). Shot of my daughter's room after my wife managed to actually clean it up.
DSC04615.jpg by J L Smith, on Flickr
DSC04615.jpg by J L Smith, on Flickr
Apr 15, 2012 at 08:48 AM
p.34 #18Pano-mania
Zeiss ZE100@f13. 11 shots pano of Marina skyline, Singapore.
Q: How do you squeeze the pano within the width of this forum and yet have the magnifying glass show up? I do not want to use the original file which is huge.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7271/6933353304_cf2f2625ac_b.jpg
Q: How do you squeeze the pano within the width of this forum and yet have the magnifying glass show up? I do not want to use the original file which is huge.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7271/6933353304_cf2f2625ac_b.jpg
Apr 15, 2012 at 09:02 AM
p.34 #19Pano-mania
9 picture pano of a small house ...
rokkor 58mm 1.2
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rokkor 58mm 1.2
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Apr 15, 2012 at 09:12 AM
p.34 #20Pano-mania
Nice guys ... I gotta get back in the game.
Diggin' the clarity of the 'small house'
Diggin' the clarity of the 'small house'
Apr 15, 2012 at 09:38 AM