Just to check, are you as thorough as to set the same WB, use a tripod and only shoot with no wind? A few of my 30-40 shot panos were junk because of shooting jpeg with auto WB and wind blowing grass around. Also I notice that the field of view changes too much with a 35mm lens on a crop body and creates stitching issues
nixland wrote:
1) What are the main character differences between the C/Y and the ZE such as colors, CA, sharpness and contrast? I read that more people said the C/Y is sharper at wide open. Is it? (I use my lens wide open very often)
2) Is the focus shift of the ZE lens bothers you much?
3) I use Canon camera right now but maybe in the future I'll get a mirrorless camera like NEX. Is it more recommended that I bought the ZF version instead of the ZE? Which one has better selling value in the future?
can't really answer any questions about ZE or C/Y, I have the ZF. It is soft wide open AND at very close range, but not just wide open at distances further away.
The focus shift makes me check more open, but I haven't found it to ruin any shots yet.
The best for a Nex is a smaller version of the lens, like ZM. Of course the apperture of the ZF is a bonus. No idea whether ZF or ZE sell at differnent value levels. ZF.1 certainly can be bought rather cheaply second hand. But ZF.2 should keep it's value pretty much the same.
here is a test shot at last light with 1.4 - it shows something I noticed several times when shooting the lens close up and wide open: bright colours produce a halo. This seems to be a similar phenomenon as the haze the 35/1.4 seems to produce at certain conditions wide open.
Its difficult to explain but even though I was staying perfectly still when I was taking the shots, because I was close to the subject with a wide lens, the subject and background were shifting as I was panning around, so the shots were not aligning perfectly for stitching. Best way is to try for yourself with a wide lens and a subject about 2 metres away, it either cannot be done or I was swaying crazily around!
Of course... Stitching has it's limitations. Most or all of Carsten's respect those limits tho. They all seem to me to be with flat-ish long-ish lenses from at least 7 or 8 meters away - and that's pretty easy for most stitchers to cope with.
Carsten, Morfeus - Fabulous shots. Morfeus, the color is great. Just one hydrant shot, red seem to blow out and posterized on my laptop. It could be just my laptop. Anyway, I still like it. #1 is brilliant.
Carsten - I agree with Morfeus. To me, that is a beautiful scene. There is a narrative going on may be unintended, but there.
cyra wrote:
can't really answer any questions about ZE or C/Y, I have the ZF. It is soft wide open AND at very close range, but not just wide open at distances further away.
The focus shift makes me check more open, but I haven't found it to ruin any shots yet.
The best for a Nex is a smaller version of the lens, like ZM. Of course the apperture of the ZF is a bonus. No idea whether ZF or ZE sell at differnent value levels. ZF.1 certainly can be bought rather cheaply second hand. But ZF.2 should keep it's value pretty much the same.
I have posted a couple more at the other thread. But I can post more here to, if you like. ...Show more →
Cyra, thanks a lot for your answers and photo samples. I really appreciate it.
The ISO 1600 photo is very cool. If it's ok please post 1 or 2 portraiture shots with a rather busy background such as tree or leaves.
I have read some info on the internet that the ZF and ZF.2 has no optical differences. So I might try a used ZF.1.
My C/Y is AE version. I like the rendering a lot .. it's sharpness and the blur rendering. But sometimes the color is rather bluish or colder. I can fix it in PP but I hope the ZF/ZE could give the color I want in the first shot.
R.Young wrote:
Its difficult to explain but even though I was staying perfectly still when I was taking the shots, because I was close to the subject with a wide lens, the subject and background were shifting as I was panning around, so the shots were not aligning perfectly for stitching. Best way is to try for yourself with a wide lens and a subject about 2 metres away, it either cannot be done or I was swaying crazily around!
My first tree with red berries was done from that distance. In my experience, it is very hard to do. You have to know where the entrance pupil is of the lens, and try to pivot around that, not around your waist or any part of your body. On my 100MP, it is somewhere near the front of the lens. The pivoting has to be very controlled. One tip for hand-holders which I have not yet tried is to tie a string to the camera, and stand on the other end. Then try to make the string vertical before each shot.
Then you have to use good software. Autopano Pro removes ghosting and mostly does a great job of stitching imperfect results. CS4 is less forgiving. If there is wind, try to wait for a lull, and then shoot the risky parts fast. The same technique can be used with human subjects, or anything else which moves. I once shot a close up portrait as a panorama, and quickly made the two shots to capture her complete body, then asked her to move away and shot the rest in peace.
carstenw wrote:
You have to know where the entrance pupil is of the lens, and try to pivot around that, not around your waist or any part of your body. On my 100MP, it is somewhere near the front of the lens. The pivoting has to be very controlled.
I always wondered how you do that handhold. I fidle around endlessly already to find the right pivoting point for each lens. Could not imagine how you handhold it and still get it right.
nixland wrote:
If it's ok please post 1 or 2 portraiture shots with a rather busy background such as tree or leaves.
I have read some info on the internet that the ZF and ZF.2 has no optical differences. So I might try a used ZF.1.
My C/Y is AE version. I like the rendering a lot .. it's sharpness and the blur rendering. But sometimes the color is rather bluish or colder. I can fix it in PP but I hope the ZF/ZE could give the color I want in the first shot.
The ZF 85 rather has a brownish cast, at least with nature images, just like my other ZFs.
I don't think I even have portrait shots with the 85. I have some Baby shots in very low light, I can dig out some of those. And I can search for some tree shots.
I don't think I have seen any harsh bokeh with the 85. Here is a couple more landscape or plant shots at 1.4, which I did when testing the lens. I only do standard sharpening in LR. No sharpening routine.
@Cyra: thanks a lot for photo samples (specially the bokeh on busy background) and the info about ZF color which is quite the opposite of my colder c/y 85 color. Very helpful.
you'r welcome. The baby fotos aren't very sharp (those where the first images I took, with the 85) and they are ISO 1000 to ISO 3200. So not very helpful to assess sharpness.
I am not sure what you mean with the stitching issues?
