which lens has the most 3D POP?
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Uzay
Registered: Sep 24, 2010
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^This shot is a close focus pop rather than a 3D pop but yes it pops.



LeadyGonzales
Registered: May 19, 2011
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ja, well done



SloPhoto
Registered: Feb 18, 2008
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Pentax 43mm ltd

I have not seen more pop than that in any 35mm lens.



sebboh
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Uzay wrote:
^This shot is a close focus pop rather than a 3D pop but yes it pops.


this is a new distinction to me in a category that already has 5 or 6 separate definitions...



H.Lux
Registered: Nov 21, 2010
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Uzay wrote:
^This shot is a close focus pop rather than a 3D pop but yes it pops.

^more than this: it's close focus - wide angle pop.



Uzay
Registered: Sep 24, 2010
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sebboh wrote:
Uzay wrote:
^This shot is a close focus pop rather than a 3D pop but yes it pops.


this is a new distinction to me in a category that already has 5 or 6 separate definitions...



H.Lux wrote:
Uzay wrote:
^This shot is a close focus pop rather than a 3D pop but yes it pops.

^more than this: it's close focus - wide angle pop.





There was a pic in the Zeiss thread showing the exact 3D to my taste where the subject(rocks) was not so close but there was the 3D,

You can get the pop effect like in that cannon shot above with most of the alt lenses or even not alt AF lenses. Focus area (subject) and OOF area seperation is the key. Some lenses do this smootly some harsh, here the bokeh is the key which is the characteristic of the lens.



RustyBug
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LeadyGonzales wrote:
it is a difficult topic.

it is just an illusion, since the fotos are clearly 2D. but once i read, that 10% of the people cannot notice 3D in the real world - ... so, how can they have that illusion.... very difficult ... could be different from person to person ...


Sometimes it helps to close one eye and look. Yes, it is all illusionary as to how the eye/brain interprets. From previous threads, I gather that about 2/3 can 'see it' better and 1/3 to a lesser degree or not at all.



Uzay
Registered: Sep 24, 2010
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nixland wrote:
"3D" term always invites a controversy (I myself don't mind though), so I usually use term "pop-out" ...

#1 Carl Zeiss 85/1.4 C/Y

#2 Leica Summicron 90/2



First one, the guy with the bike is 3D to my eyes.



LeadyGonzales
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you can have pop out without "3D", rokkor 28mm 2.0:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5312/5894312843_2dcc38fc70_b.jpg


-L.



LeadyGonzales
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in my opinion "3D" always requires some gradient in sharpness. if it is real or just imagined by you:

rokkor 85mm 1.7 (+3 achromat)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5063/5894313235_e5823061e5_b.jpg



buggz2k
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I'm finding that ALL of the images, so far, on this page are "resolving" some 3D when viewed on my laptop display, while on the bigger Dell 22" at home, only some are.
How strange...



LeadyGonzales
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this one has 3D, since you now, that the house it 3D

in order to capture the hole picture your eyes need to walk around, that creates 3D atmosphere ...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6012/5934939446_934a7a13dc_b.jpg


- L.

PS: MC Rokkor 58mm 1.2 @1.2 on 5D Mark II



buggz2k
Registered: Mar 10, 2010
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Ha, dunno how I thought this.
I see them much more clear now "on the big screen". *8^)
Must have just zipped through them last night...

buggz2k wrote:
I'm finding that ALL of the images, so far, on this page are "resolving" some 3D when viewed on my laptop display, while on the bigger Dell 22" at home, only some are.
How strange...



adamdewilde
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Simple answer 35/2 ZE gives the most true to life street shots EVER in 35mm, period. And a lot of the time it translates to 3D, and in some cases really nice pop..

The 50/2 MP ZE gives the most crackling pop but ONLY at certain distances, and apertures. 3D is there...
The 100/2 MP ZE is in the same boat, but even more tricky then the 50mm.. And less so on pop but more so on 3D.

The C/Y lenses have it here and there (haven't used all the N lenses), the older 100, and some of the ZM stuff is decent 50/2 ZM (funny to replicate) and 35/2.8 ZM is pretty good at it.
As for other rangefinder lenses you can forget about Leica, it seems they go after a totally different aesthetic IMO, although not bad by any means, just not what I consider 3D or pop really...
No experience with Sony Alpha BTW.

I seem to have a hard time putting down the ZE lenses in favor of my MFD Hassy... That's how much I like them!
Think I should have invested in a 503 setup rather then an HC system or maybe contax MFD..

Any who, just my opinion.. but cannot go wrong with the ZEs or ZFs (depending on what body you shoot with).


EDIT: Have to admit nixland's #2 Leica Summicron 90/2 shot is pretty good, which is something I found really hard to get from my 90/2...



LeadyGonzales
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voigtlaender ultron 40mm SLII on 5D MarkII:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6029/5940518227_fb622661e1_b.jpg



nixland
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adamdewilde wrote:


EDIT: Have to admit nixland's #2 Leica Summicron 90/2 shot is pretty good, which is something I found really hard to get from my 90/2...


Well, I don't always get pop-out image from my Cron 90/2 either
I think what makes the pop-out image from this lens is it's sharpness (micro-contrast) and the way it renders the OOF area. I hope I can find time to make a comparison shot with my other lens to show it.
But off course the condition of the scenes and the lighting at that moment also have great contribution to make a pop-out image.
In #2 photo, I think the 2 out of focus men behind the front men gave some contribution to make the photo has more pop-out illusion. Don't you think so?



adamdewilde
Registered: Jul 04, 2005
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Hehe, glad it's not just me then... And yeah OOF area's are fine, but a really superb 3D lens can do it with no OOF areas..

Yes agreed, a lot was at play, the two guys behind, as well as light conditions and contrast from environmental factors (dark bikes, light ground etc)..



Tomser
Registered: Oct 08, 2009
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I understand 3D-pop depends on lighting and background composition. If lighting isn't favourable, then there is PP .
If one doesn't understand how to control either of those, there is always buying expensive lenses and getting lucky .



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